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Too_Many_Tools
07-17-2009, 02:23 AM
The portable shop discussion has up a need that many of us will have in the future...the closet shop.

How about those who have done gone the closet shop route showing us how you did it?

TMT

Limy Sami
07-17-2009, 04:34 AM
Closet shops? ............ ahem, now isn't that a rather personal question? ........... FWIW a little googling should reveal your particular tastes and requirements. ;)

oldtiffie
07-17-2009, 08:21 AM
A lot of people have come out of the closet lately - and some have been "outed" by others.

There are a lot of "closet this" and "closet that" etc. people about so I guess that its not unreasonable to find or have or install a machinist/HSM shop in a closet.

If as seems to have been inferred that the said closet is a "water closet" then I have good news - John Stevenson posted a pic of an office and a computer in a WC. Perhaps John can be persuaded to re-post that pic - for the closet dwellers and others perhaps?

[Edit]

Anything is possible.

Here are some anvil-workers - Blacksmith's?? - who have come out of the closet - with "Rainbow" decor?.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3x-pwJGsgU

Google GMCLA.ORG for yourselves!!!

Dawai
07-17-2009, 08:54 AM
Portable? like a unimat with a wooden box?

Or Portable like a bus with a lathe-welder-shaper in the back. I remember a old man who would live in his bus-machine shop while "shut downs" were going on in plants and do work full time till it was over. He'd sleep right on a cot there in the mess and shavings.

I, being a electrician did not get to get that close to him, nor did I want to, there was no shower available. He did lil things like rekey pulleys and shafts and cut and drill bit pieces. Story was he made enough not to work the rest of the year. Each year at the 4th July shutdown I'd end up working some 24+ hour length shifts myself. I am too damn old and too grumpy now.

I'd like to see a cargo-container shop set up and how that actually works out.

Evan
07-17-2009, 09:03 AM
I am getting ready for that eventuality when the time comes, as it will, to move from this large but labour intensive property we now live on. When we move it will be to someplace smaller and I won't be able to keep all my machines, of that there is no doubt.

So, some time ago I purchased a Unimat that I can operate on my lap if need be in my hospital bed. Chips may present a slight problem but I already have those to contend with from time to time. :eek:

http://metalshopborealis.ca/pics/um1.jpg

I also have an old HP flat bed plotter complete that I will be converting to a portable engraver/router for very light milling of easy 2D materials. I may even CNC the Unitmat to make up for my increasingly poor dexterity and may go so far as to build a mini version of my CNC milling machine, perhaps half scale.

loose nut
07-17-2009, 10:06 AM
If you read old Model Engineer magazines there are many examples of "shops" set up in a closet or cupboard/sideboard in the household dining room. After hours it would unfold for a while and then be cleaned up and put away and visitors are non the wiser.

There have been a few examples of streamer chest workshops that merchant sailors have, unfold the legs and open the front and top, plug it in and instant shop, small lathe, drill press, grinder etc.

There was even a traveling salesman who had a suitcase "shop" that he took on the road with as he did his sales rounds.

There isn't any reason that someone couldn't have a small "shop" after being relegated to the old foggey home by the kids.

Dawai
07-17-2009, 10:10 AM
Evan, I used to have a steamer trunk.. It had 4 pipe floor flanges on the bottom reinforced w/plywood. You'd screw 16" nipples into the flanges, set it on them and you opened the lid and had a "whole" tattoo setup. It fit on the back of harley a few times, in the back of various cars, traveled in the tattoo bus and saw probably 100,000 miles.

Anyways with the lid closed and the nipples off, it looked like a nice clean old steamer trunk.

A long beard keeps the shavings from going down the neck of your shirt.

Evan
07-17-2009, 10:23 AM
What shirt?

MickeyD
07-17-2009, 11:35 AM
The late Rudy Kouhoupt who wrote so many good articles for HSM had a shop that was smaller than a lot of closets are now. Between his books and rather painful videos (sorry to speak bad of the dead, but the production quality is pretty bad), there is a lot of good advise and tips on working out of a very small shop and still being productive.

saltmine
07-17-2009, 12:06 PM
I used to do my lathe work on my dining room table, when I lived in an apartment. I did assembly and layout on the coffee table in the living room.
A lot of stuff got built there. Fortunately, the place I have now has a small workshop in the back yard. I didn't waste any time getting my tools set up in there. But, like any typical shop it quickly filled up with various tools.
Still fairly productive, but crowded with two people working.

danlb
07-17-2009, 12:42 PM
It's not quite in the 'closet' category, but I initially had an HF micro mill and HF 7x10 mini lathe. They were both light enough to move off the bench top when I needed the space. I've read of people using the kitchen sink as a work space by putting their lathe on a base that fit into the contours of the sink.

What I can not imagine is where you would store all the spare stock that you accumulate when you have a shop. I'm talking about the hundreds of pounds of meta bars and rod that you have 'just in case you needed it'.

Dan

dp
07-17-2009, 12:51 PM
I am getting ready for that eventuality when the time comes, as it will, to move from this large but labour intensive property we now live on. When we move it will be to someplace smaller and I won't be able to keep all my machines, of that there is no doubt.

So, some time ago I purchased a Unimat that I can operate on my lap if need be in my hospital bed. Chips may present a slight problem but I already have those to contend with from time to time. :eek:

For that I think you're going to have to add a drool pan :)

Too_Many_Tools
07-17-2009, 02:08 PM
If you read old Model Engineer magazines there are many examples of "shops" set up in a closet or cupboard/sideboard in the household dining room. After hours it would unfold for a while and then be cleaned up and put away and visitors are non the wiser.

There have been a few examples of streamer chest workshops that merchant sailors have, unfold the legs and open the front and top, plug it in and instant shop, small lathe, drill press, grinder etc.

There was even a traveling salesman who had a suitcase "shop" that he took on the road with as he did his sales rounds.

There isn't any reason that someone couldn't have a small "shop" after being relegated to the old foggey home by the kids.


Any examples to post?

I suspect that most of us don't have access to old Model Engineer mags.

TMT

loose nut
07-17-2009, 09:07 PM
I guess I could dig through the couple of thousand mags that I have but by the time I found them , unless I got lucky, the thread would be dead.

Just think small equipment mounted on a small footprint. When I first started out I had a unimat mounted on a shelf in the back of a closet.

SHADOW
07-18-2009, 12:20 AM
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5538/clisby.jpg

Clisby Lathe, 2" chuck, 6" rule stuck to bed.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6196/clisby1.jpg
Lathe in original Box, foam packed around acessories when closed.


One of the things to consider when doing machining other than in a home shop is swarf. It tends to go everywhere. You don't want to upset the housekeeper. A helpful containment strategy is to machine inside a clear plastic cleaners bag. This small lathe by virtue of the DOC generates MILES of very fine continuous strands, a situation that can be assisted by doing preliminary cutting at home.
Another thing that appears is the number of small items needed to accompany it. Drills bits (fractional & number), taps & dies, files, saw, oil, specialty tools (slotting saws, dovetail cutter, boring tools), etc carried in another toolbox.
I chose a Proxxon rotary tool as it uses the same 12v power supply as the lathe. It has speeds to 18k collets or adjustable chuck, and with a steel collar it goes in a holder at spindle height bolted to the cross slide. It is very light weight.
The lathe offers a number of shop made tooling opportunities of itís own as a limited number of accessories are available for it. It doesn't turn axles for quarry trucks but capable of real work in small scale to ward off those machining withdrawls on long trips on the road. I'm still in the process of settling on a baseboard other than a thin plywood base.

oldtiffie
07-18-2009, 04:30 AM
For real German quality compact machines it would be hard to go past Proxxon mills, lathes - manual and CNC-ed.

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=proxxon+cnc&meta=&aq=4&oq=proxxon

oldtiffie
07-18-2009, 08:21 AM
I have read this thread a couple of times.

It seems in large part to deal with "down-sizing" the shop to suit smaller premises ("condo", unit, flat etc) with a consequent reduction in number and capacity of machines and machining.

Unless you own the premises out-right and are not constrained by your wife or family or a statutory or governing authority you may be pretty severely limited in what alterations you can make to accommodate your machines, let alone use them.

Literally fitting those machines into closets will severely restrict the storage capacity otherwise available for your wife and her/other "things" and "requirements" - so a "domestic" is quite on the cards.

If your machining activities are adjudged or regarded by others as being to the detriment of themselves or their property valuations or to the/their "peace and enjoyment" or the "general amenity ....... ", you may have a considerable problem. A Court Order or a prosecution or a "Cease and Desist" Order is quite on the cards.

My guess is that many who are contemplating these activities are considering retirement and/or moving "some-where else".

Even if all those "concerns" are of no consequence, there is or seems to be a quiet confidence that you you will be able to and want to pursue machining as a hobby.

That in turn seems to infer a confidence that both you and your wife (if married) - or just yourself if on your own, will have the health, well-being and finances to continue as planned.

That may well be not the case at all.

My guess is that many contemplating the "Machines in a closet" route are anywhere from 50 years of age - or later - and either considering or have retired and find a "big shop" and "big machines" to be beyond their physical capacity to use.

Many seem to not to want to face up to the increasing probability with age that the incidence and numbers of debilitating or disabling mental and physical conditions and disease will increase at an accelerating rate.

The following table - which only goes to age 67 in the USA may be a bit of a wake-up call:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Excerpt_from_CDC_2003_Table_1.png

It is from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_table

My life expectancy at age 72 in OZ is about 83, but my chances of dying and/or of being "unable to cope" increase almost exponentially as each year passes.

So, even though I have a good chance of making it to 83 (11 years), being alive is one thing but my mental and physical state may be quite another in the meantime.

I could be my wife's carer - or vice versa, or either or both of us may have to go into a retirement home/village and/or a more intensive - and quite expensive - care facility.

The current medical assessment is that my wife and I stand a quite good chance of living to 83 in my case and 88 in the case of my wife. Our chances of being fit and able to stay where we are until we die or perhaps avoid where "closet machining" is required are considerably less.

A lot depends on what funds we have at the time.

If we were to be put into "care" or "guardianship" events and decisions may well be taken out of our hands.

My best hope and assessment is that we will be here and my wife and I will be able to pursue our interests (shop included) for another 5>8 years (my age 77>80) with a rapidly diminishing chance of staying that way - or here - after that.

My wife and I are pretty busy around the property (1 1/2 acres ~ 0/60 Hectare (Ha)) and go to the gym three times a week (cardio, weights, stretches, "fit(ness)" ball etc. which takes about 2 1/4>2 1/2 hours a session. We often go for a 2 mile (~3.3Km) or more walk as well.

Suffice to say, our pretty good physical fitness has stood us in good stead. It may well delay the inevitable physical and mental decay - but it sure won't prevent it or guarantee that we will reach our life expectancy.

Considering a "closet" shop is not on my agenda.

With the shop its a case of "all or nothing" (aka "all or bugger all").

I will make the best of it as I want to and as I am able to - but when the "day" comes to walk out of it, I am quite ready for it and will do it without any regrets or qualms at all - even if it happens tomorrow, next week, next month, next year - or when-ever.

All I am hoping for is a few weeks to destroy everything in the shop and reduce it to scrap and dispose of it.

We don't need any of the funds - or trauma - of a sale, as we are adequately provided for - either together or singly.

So - no "closet" shop here.

andy_b
07-18-2009, 10:55 AM
i followed everything you said (and can agree with a good portion of it) until you got here...



All I am hoping for is a few weeks to destroy everything in the shop and reduce it to scrap and dispose of it.

We don't need any of the funds - or trauma - of a sale, as we are adequately provided for - either together or singly.

So - no "closet" shop here.

is your shop full of stolen government secrets or machines dropped off by aliens? :) it just seems kind of an odd desire to "destroy everything". it is your equipment to do with as you please and i'm not telling you to do otherwise, or even explain your reasons. i'm just making an observation that it seems odd.

andy b.

ammcoman2
07-18-2009, 11:08 AM
A guy I know has his workshop in one room of his apartment. Taig mill, lathe and a drill press. The ancilliary items fill the rest of the room.

The floor is covered with a large carpet. When I asked him why he would leave a carpet in a workshop, his reply was "it traps all the swarf!"

There is a special issue book available from the publishers of MEW on workshops. The UK modellers seem to be able to do amazing work in tiny shops, so there may be some tips in the book on how to cope.

Geoff

oldtiffie
07-18-2009, 11:28 AM
i followed everything you said (and can agree with a good portion of it) until you got here...


Originally Posted by oldtiffie
All I am hoping for is a few weeks to destroy everything in the shop and reduce it to scrap and dispose of it.

We don't need any of the funds - or trauma - of a sale, as we are adequately provided for - either together or singly.

So - no "closet" shop here.
is your shop full of stolen government secrets or machines dropped off by aliens? :) it just seems kind of an odd desire to "destroy everything". it is your equipment to do with as you please and i'm not telling you to do otherwise, or even explain your reasons. i'm just making an observation that it seems odd.

andy b.

Andy.

The last thing I want is an endless parade of people trawling through the shop as it will be impossible to know who is there or what they are doing or intend. I won't know until after the event if something is "missing" or if we are to get a "visit" after dark or when we go out. It will worry my wife stiff and both of us can do without that.

No matter how it runs, I will have stuff to dispose of and I will need some of the stuff that might have been sold etc. to reduce it to scrap. It will all go into dumpsters.

I am not interested in selling it at fire-sale prices either for some-one else to make a "killing" from.

There is no residual value there as I "wrote it all off" as soon as I bought it.

Its all new or as new - just ordinary shop stuff - nothing special about it at all - but there is a lot of it.

As I said, while the small amount of money might be "handy" it really is not worth the hassle. I don't really need the money or the trauma - and I certainly don't need a new class of "New best friends" while I am alive nor does my wife when I am dead or unable to cope.

There will be no "tool gloats" here, nor is anyone in any position to say I "owe them" or that anything was "promised" to them in any way.

I started the shop with a "clean slate" and I intend to finish it the same way.

JCHannum
07-18-2009, 11:42 AM
Tiff; don't they have auctions in Australia? That is the best way to dispose of a large accumulation of tools and convert it into cash. While they might provide a few tool gloats, they also provide aspiring HSM's or small shops to equip theselves with tooling that would be otherwise out of reach to them.

Your approach seems short sighted and quite selfish to me. When I go or downsize, my shop will go at auction.

J Tiers
07-18-2009, 11:44 AM
I started the shop with a "clean slate" and I intend to finish it the same way.

Well, I'm certainly glad the folks who used to have my shop tools and equipment did not "think" like that............ I find it utterly incomprehensible. But its your stuff......

Are you Dinee? Do you plan to die in the shop? If not, I can't imagine the reason for your plan.

I have an area over my bench where any nameplates etc from what is now "my" stuff are displayed. I like to know the tools were used well by someone before, and I try to continue the tradition.

oldtiffie
07-18-2009, 12:01 PM
Well, perhaps its best this way as most of it is "China" stuff with a good smattering of stuff made in OZ, Japan and Europe - and some small stuff made in the USA.

Not a bit of "good old "Made in the USA iron"" in the shop, so going by some of the comments I've seen here, its all "junk" and "not worth having".

And who am I to argue?

So junk it is and junk it will be treated as.

But junk or not, you may be assured that there will be some pretty good work done - by my standards anyway - with it in the meantime.

JCHannum
07-18-2009, 12:42 PM
The other consideration, aside from passing the tools on to someone who might have a real need for them, is that chances are very good that you will not have the opportunity to Dumpsterize them. A stroke, or heart attack for instance can remove you from the equation in a matter of a few minutes, leaving your wife to dispose of the tools.

My wife has instructions and the name of the auction house I recommend for her to dispose of my belongings. Her only instruction is to allow the kids to sort and take what they want and then get rid of the rest as quickly as possible.

S_J_H
07-18-2009, 01:11 PM
Tiff, I have always enjoyed reading your posts as you have a wealth of experience and wisdom you share with the board.
However I strongly disagree with your desire to destroy and or junk your machinery when it is time for your end here.
I hope you will give this more thought...
Perhaps a little more trust in your fellow man?
Steve

oldtiffie
07-18-2009, 01:14 PM
True Jim.

But all of life is a lottery.

We both see our General Practitioner every 2 weeks - without fail. Have been doing it for years. We get excellent service and any and every test and service that is needed. None of it costs us a cent out of pocket. Specialists and Private Hospital will cost my wife a mininal amount for the very best of care. I pay nothing as I am a Veteran.

Drugs/prescriptions are about US$4.30 each. So we should have as good a chance and fore-warning as any - but no absolute certainty.

At 72 I am well over the top of the hill (83/2 = 42) and accelerating and 30 years into the down-hill run - and I know the risks and the reality of it all.

Suffice to say that if I get "caught", there are Plans "B" and "C" in place for the contingencies you mention.

lazlo
07-18-2009, 03:20 PM
All I am hoping for is a few weeks to destroy everything in the shop and reduce it to scrap and dispose of it.

We don't need any of the funds - or trauma - of a sale, as we are adequately provided for - either together or singly.

Mick, have you considered donating your equipment to a school? I'm sure there are some local vo-ed schools that would love to have it?

Or, barring that, arrange to have the machinery auctioned off, and donate the proceeds to your favorite charity?

loose nut
07-18-2009, 04:44 PM
I think the "shop in a closet" idea isn't a necessity but an example that if one has to down size it is still possible to have a hobby, maybe not in the most desirable form but a still useful one.

As for calculating out how many good years one might have left, forget it, the only good way to look at life is to think you are going to live forever and plan for it in that manner, why else do 70 and 80 year old people go back to school when they might not live long enough to graduate.

Just cause we get old isn't a good reason to quit living, that the surest way to end up in the ground fast. Just keep your mind active and your body moving, if you have to move out of your house and shop then adapt.

It ain't over till it's over.;)

rantbot
07-18-2009, 05:38 PM
We both see our General Practitioner every 2 weeks - without fail. Have been doing it for years. We get excellent service and any and every test and service that is needed. None of it costs us a cent out of pocket. Specialists and Private Hospital will cost my wife a mininal amount for the very best of care. I pay nothing as I am a Veteran.

Drugs/prescriptions are about US$4.30 each. So we should have as good a chance and fore-warning as any - but no absolute certainty.
Pure fantasy. I'm two decades younger than you but have had two heart attacks. You can take it from me - they hit with no warning, and no test will show that they're on the way. The medical establishment still has no idea why I had them, as I fit none of the standard profiles for at-risk patients. But they happened nonetheless.

oldtiffie
07-18-2009, 08:03 PM
Originally Posted by oldtiffie
All I am hoping for is a few weeks to destroy everything in the shop and reduce it to scrap and dispose of it.

We don't need any of the funds - or trauma - of a sale, as we are adequately provided for - either together or singly.

Mick, have you considered donating your equipment to a school? I'm sure there are some local vo-ed schools that would love to have it?

Or, barring that, arrange to have the machinery auctioned off, and donate the proceeds to your favorite charity?

I've thought of that too Lazlo, but other than "new" stuff that was bought by the "vocational" schools and colleges, a lot of donated stuff just either "gets lost", or is "borrowed" or "stored off-site" (long term) or just used as basic stuff. I know of a couple of people who explored that route "in confidence" and had a surprising number of people who "knew" or had "heard" about it. Not for me/us.

Auctioning is "out" for reasons given previously.


I think the "shop in a closet" idea isn't a necessity but an example that if one has to down size it is still possible to have a hobby, maybe not in the most desirable form but a still useful one.

As for calculating out how many good years one might have left, forget it, the only good way to look at life is to think you are going to live forever and plan for it in that manner, why else do 70 and 80 year old people go back to school when they might not live long enough to graduate.

Just cause we get old isn't a good reason to quit living, that the surest way to end up in the ground fast. Just keep your mind active and your body moving, if you have to move out of your house and shop then adapt.

It ain't over till it's over.;)

I will have no trouble but will have the resources to change hobbies if and when the time arrives.

I am not calculating how long I have to live or my condition/s in the meantime as definitive quantities - I am just assessing the risks and probabilities in my specific case on a regular basis.

My wife and I live a very good life - and pretty well live it to the full - and intend to keep doing what of it we can for as long as we can. We will make such "adjustments" as are required as needs arise. We could "go on" as we are from say tomorrow or until we are 100 - or any time in between. The shop will "stay" as long as I have a use for it.

I am not a moralist or a fatalist, but I do hope that I am realistic and pragmatic.

If all goes well - and I/we hope that it does - we will be here doing as we want for as long as we can.

We are very "happy in our skins".

So, the shop is intended to be used and the contents added to as and if required until - for what-ever reason/s - I can't continue to use it as a machine shop. It may well be partly or progressively emptied and "re-stocked" for a future use or hobby. But I won't be hanging onto too much "just in case" and/or for "sentimental" reasons.

With a bit of luck, we will be in reasonable shape and I will be using my shop for a while yet.

There is plenty of drawer-space, bench/work-space and shelving in the shop and so there is no need for "closet-space" in the shed or the house, but I do have a lot of "other stuff" in the house.

So, unless I/we have a run of really bad luck and/or do something really stupid, there is a pretty reasonable chance that we will be doing pretty well within our capacity to cope for quite a while yet.

Or perhaps I am decrepit and senile already but don't know it - I hope not.

oil mac
07-18-2009, 08:15 PM
I have enjoyed the various thoughts guys, and hope you like my two cents worth, (sometimes one can go round in a circle &come back to the beginning !) 55 years ago, i went to an evening class, and took the opportunity to make mum a brass shovel ,tongs, steel poker, nice brass brush holder all on a brass stand for the fireside For the completion of this project, i used an old Colchester Bantam lathe (circa 1920) I always had fond memories of that old machine ,Last week a friend found me its sister, in spite of her age nearly mint condition, Whoopee, i feel 15 year old again, But rearranging my shop and fitting it in has made me ponder on my mortality, Lay not away treasures on earth ! Recently i downsized my shop a bit, at 70 years of age, I know i wont go on for ever
However, Back to all those years ago, Some three years after using the first old Colchester lathe, parents moved to a tenement flat, and i purchased an old beat up 3&1/2" centre height lathe, and dad and i set up a cupboard workshop, We were in buisiness and independant of any outside influences This shop continued till i left home to get married about eight years further on,
Regarding the "closet shop", It was a source of fun, and a challenge to get round making things in the confined space, and lack of equipment, every penny in those days was a prisoner, sometimes i think when one is struggling there is more of a challenge, If like some of todays guys i know, who have every aid to inconvenience, Is it still a hobby? Two of them were lecturing to a group of folk and i went along to earwig, and they were saying their home shop was valued about £40,000 pounds, to build a few model locomotives Is that still a hobby? However to each their own
If some of you are like me, i am a machine tool enthusiast, and i am still using the little travelling head shaper dad purchased for me all those years ago, for the closet workshop
Maybe towards the end of my days, I will have to go back to a little closet workshop in the corner of a smaller house-- God Willing It will be a situation of "horses for courses" Who knows what fate has in store for one

Weston Bye
07-19-2009, 08:52 AM
Back a few years ago I built a new house in town and moved away from my 13 acres and 24 x 40 pole barn. The new house was built with a 14 x 16 shop between the house proper, and the garage. I went into the move with the idea that I wouldn't be getting any large machinery and resolved to build within the capabilities of the benchtop machines I had. Some of the examples can be seen in the Machinist In Motion videos. (Quartz Movement, Walking Beam, Geneva Mechanism)

The shop could be much smaller still if it didn't also serve as material storage, library, archive, computer room, and junk accumulator. Surprisingly, I still have about as much usable working area as I did when I had the pole barn. I am just carrying less inventory. (my childern are grateful - less for them to dispose of)

Too_Many_Tools
08-03-2009, 03:06 AM
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5538/clisby.jpg

Clisby Lathe, 2" chuck, 6" rule stuck to bed.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6196/clisby1.jpg
Lathe in original Box, foam packed around acessories when closed.


One of the things to consider when doing machining other than in a home shop is swarf. It tends to go everywhere. You don't want to upset the housekeeper. A helpful containment strategy is to machine inside a clear plastic cleaners bag. This small lathe by virtue of the DOC generates MILES of very fine continuous strands, a situation that can be assisted by doing preliminary cutting at home.
Another thing that appears is the number of small items needed to accompany it. Drills bits (fractional & number), taps & dies, files, saw, oil, specialty tools (slotting saws, dovetail cutter, boring tools), etc carried in another toolbox.
I chose a Proxxon rotary tool as it uses the same 12v power supply as the lathe. It has speeds to 18k collets or adjustable chuck, and with a steel collar it goes in a holder at spindle height bolted to the cross slide. It is very light weight.
The lathe offers a number of shop made tooling opportunities of itís own as a limited number of accessories are available for it. It doesn't turn axles for quarry trucks but capable of real work in small scale to ward off those machining withdrawls on long trips on the road. I'm still in the process of settling on a baseboard other than a thin plywood base.


Very good idea about using a plastic bag to keep the mess localized.

Anyone with any other ideas as to containing the mess?