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wierdscience
10-10-2009, 07:46 PM
Anyone here have experience with one?
Are there any significant diffrences in quality between infantry issue and sniper/special models?
I'm looking at buying one since they look like loads of fun anything else to watch for?
gt403cyl
10-10-2009, 08:23 PM
Can't really help on what to look for but I have fired one.. it was a M44 and let me tell ya, that gun shot great and is very fun. 7.62x54r has tons of power and your shoulder may feel it after ~20-30 rounds, I don't know how you deal with recoil but I can shoot it all day.
Here are a few links I found.
http://www.surplusrifle.com/mosincarbine/index.asp
http://www.mosinnagant.net/ussr/russian-m44-carbine.asp
http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/mosinfrontsight/index.asp
common issue??
http://www.russian-mosin-nagant.com/sticking_bolt.htm
http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=10773
hope this helps
GT
Ken_Shea
10-10-2009, 08:24 PM
Great guns, the Sniper has a longer barrel and required a bit more accuracy, however, the standard carbine was required to shoot groups not more then 1.3" at 100 meters.
They kick like a mule though, especially the carbine.
There cheap to buy and very neat guns, I like them, have sold a bunch when i had the walk in gun store open, now just do internet accessories.
Watch for black bores, a lot of that ammo being sold was/is/had corrosive primers.
Still have three of them left over, all have mediocre bores, but the heavy rifling still allows them to shoot really well.
38_Cal
10-10-2009, 09:30 PM
They've been really popular with the Cast Bullet Association military match competitors, especially the Finnish ones with the heavier barrels.
Highpower
10-10-2009, 11:01 PM
I'm looking at buying one since they look like loads of fun anything else to watch for? Muzzle blast & fireballs! (Especially the carbines)
I'm somewhat partial to the M44's. Having the bayonet extended at the range is good for attracting some attention.... :D
A couple years ago you could get the Century "3-fers". 3 rifles for $150. :eek:
This comparison chart pretty well sums up the Mosin experience.
http://www.mouseguns.com/compare.htm
wierdscience
10-11-2009, 07:31 PM
Muzzle blast & fireballs! (Especially the carbines)
I'm somewhat partial to the M44's. Having the bayonet extended at the range is good for attracting some attention.... :D
A couple years ago you could get the Century "3-fers". 3 rifles for $150. :eek:
This comparison chart pretty well sums up the Mosin experience.
http://www.mouseguns.com/compare.htm
Now that's funny:D
johnl
10-11-2009, 08:04 PM
Aftr 1 trip to the range, I built a leather butt plate cuff with 2 inches of closed cell foam inside. Now the stock is the right length and the recoil is no problem. I agree with everone else, it is a great shooter, and tons of fun
John L
Rustybolt
10-12-2009, 06:00 AM
If you are really interested in accuracy with the Mossin Nagant I would recomend you pick up a Finnish version, the M39. The Finn rebarreled all of their MNs for accuracy. Just about all of them were battlefield pickups.
TECHSHOP
10-12-2009, 05:22 PM
The SSSR 7.62-milimetr'ya vintovka o1930g with telescope sight is the the same as the "standard" version with the exception of a dovetailed block in the left hand side of the receiver for the scope and the bolt handle bent down to clear the scope.
The "best of the breed" for shooting are the Finnish versions, for the reason already stated.
BigBoy1
10-14-2009, 05:01 AM
All of the other major military rifles have been "discovered" by shooters and collectors. The Springfields, Mausers and Enfields all have been in the spot light in terms of collecting, shooting and sporterizing. Trying to find a cheap Springfiled or Mauser now days is like finding hen's teeth.
The Mosin Nagant is the latest and probably the last to be "discovered" and soon there will be many articles on sporterizing. It collectability has already been discovered. Several years ago, Mosin Nagants could be found in the $50 to $75 range. They are now going for three times that much and will rise even more as the available supply of rifles dwindle.
If you are really interested in accuracy with the Mossin Nagant I would recomend you pick up a Finnish version, the M39. The Finn rebarreled all of their MNs for accuracy. Just about all of them were battlefield pickups.
Good advice.The Finns are the Cadillac of Mosins. Better sights, barrels, triggers, and stocks. Most of their recievers came from Russian armories after the Finns kicked them out in 1917. They built rifles on those recievers as late as 1970. There have been examples of late 1960s rifles built on pre-1898 recievers (making them old enough to be purchased without an FFL) but those are quite rare. I have an M-27 and an M-39, they are very nice rifles.
wierdscience
10-17-2009, 08:58 PM
All of the other major military rifles have been "discovered" by shooters and collectors. The Springfields, Mausers and Enfields all have been in the spot light in terms of collecting, shooting and sporterizing. Trying to find a cheap Springfiled or Mauser now days is like finding hen's teeth.
The Mosin Nagant is the latest and probably the last to be "discovered" and soon there will be many articles on sporterizing. It collectability has already been discovered. Several years ago, Mosin Nagants could be found in the $50 to $75 range. They are now going for three times that much and will rise even more as the available supply of rifles dwindle.
That's just exactly what I was thinking.I also noticed the 7.62x54R is availible in bulk and it's still cheap.
rantbot
10-22-2009, 02:11 AM
Are there any significant diffrences in quality between infantry issue and sniper/special models?
The vast majority of infantry and sniper rifles on the market are the same thing. Importers take an ordinary 1891/30, swap in a bolt with a bent handle, tack on a postwar Russian 'scope on a new mount, and voila! A sniper. There are some original snipers about - very big $$$, though.
There are no Finnish guns which qualify as federal "antiques", despite popular rumor. This belief is based on a misunderstanding of the GCA '68.
I have some Tulas, Izhevsks, a Chatillerault, and a bunch of Finns with SIG and Sako barrels. Some people consider M-Ns to be primitive, but I think they're nice guns.
BigBoy1
10-22-2009, 05:19 AM
Importers take an ordinary 1891/30, swap in a bolt with a bent handle, tack on a postwar Russian 'scope on a new mount, and voila! A sniper.
I have seen several of the "so-called" snipers. If they were sniper rifles, then the Russians should have lost the war! The mounted scope was not even parallel to the barrel! There was a distinct down cast to the scope and mount. I measured the "down cast" and there was an angle of about 8 degrees between the axis of the scope axis and the axis of the barrel. I guess it was for shooting at soldiers hidden in trees while focused on soldier on the ground!
Rustybolt
10-22-2009, 07:07 AM
I'm always leary of military rifles advertises as 'sniper rifles' it's just too easy to throw on a scope mount and scope.
As a point of interest; Finnish snipers of the ww2 era were for the most part the best marksman paired with the best shooting rifle. No scopes. There are only about 200 scoped M39s from that era. The Finns were very poor and couldn't afford much.
There are no Finnish guns which qualify as federal "antiques", despite popular rumor. This belief is based on a misunderstanding of the GCA '68.
Check this out: http://www.empirearms.com/081401.htm
38_Cal
10-23-2009, 11:37 PM
x39, I think you're confusing C&R with antique. Curio & Relic firearms include WWII military arms still in "as issued" or military condition, and allow someone with a C&R class of Federal Firearms License (a collector) to buy items for his collection by mail or across state lines. Antique would be items made prior to 1898.
Highpower
10-24-2009, 12:42 AM
x39, I think you're confusing C&R with antique.
No, he's not. He is referring to the Finn rifles built on 1896-1898 receivers.
Antique would be items made prior to 1898. Make that prior to 1899.... ;)
18 U.S.C. Chapter 44
(16) The term "antique firearm"
means—
(A) any firearm (including any firearm
with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion
cap, or similar type of ignition
system) manufactured in or before
1898; or
Thank you Highpower. A quick search of the web using the words "antique M-39 mosin" will bring up quite a few references and actual weapons for sale.