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Shed Machinist
09-29-2003, 08:06 PM
I just found the note that was in one of those books, I didn't see it before because i messed up my livingroom and forgot to clean for a day or two. Thanks, it somewhat inspired me too start reading books beside the ones they make me read at school.

wierdscience
09-29-2003, 10:42 PM
Glad to hear it,yes read outside of school,you might find that 2+2=4 after all http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Thrud
09-30-2003, 02:57 AM
WS
Wow, not only are both of us svelt and good looking, but we both read! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//tongue.gif


John (shed)

I would have thought a smart kid like yourself would be haunting the Library anyway. This is good prep work for college or university. Ask your Librarian to explain the Dewey Decimal system and proper research techniques - besides, Librairians can be real hotties!

University - if no one has told you yet - is like correspondence school. You do the reading, thinking, assignments, and the tests. You are on your own. If you are lucky you will get the odd professors that will inspire a love to learn and passion for the subject. Those great teachers are precious and you should learn all you can from them. There is something to be said for a man/woman that is excited about their work - you can learn so much from them.

Remember to thank the good teachers - tell them what they have done for you and how much their classes meant to you. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

Shed Machinist
09-30-2003, 07:58 AM
I read some, but when there is a book i would like for some reason i can't get it, but when i can somebody has it checked out.
I have many more books at home that i would rather read, but in school i have to read a rather large historical fiction book. I have to read a large one because they say that i have the reading level of a senior in high school, but i read about how a turtle walks.

wierdscience
09-30-2003, 10:54 PM
If anyone tells you something like"have you ever considered taking political science as a major"-run,or failing that start screaming "I WANT AUTO SHOP!!!!" http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

If you want a good history book try finding "quest for a heimisphere" really good read,takes you from Cortez to Reagan without all the fiction.

Gee Thrud,two good looking,social sophisticates just dripping with culture and refinement,wow parents hide your daughters! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

WJHartson
09-30-2003, 11:07 PM
Reading and knowing where to look up the information you need is critical to success. Lot of people may make fun of you if you look up spec for something that you are making or repairing but don't let it bother you. I was refered to as the "cookbook mechanic" because I was always looking up manufacturers specs when I repaired things. My repairs usually lasted a lot longer than other peoples. Soon people will ask you for the spec for something they are working on and you can show them where to find them.

For some unknown reason any mechanical people feel that they should intuatively know everything about everything mechanical without having to look up anything. They are wrong about this. You don't have to know everything just where to find the information.

Joe

Evan
09-30-2003, 11:27 PM
Wierd,

Depends what you want to do. I was at an airshow a few years ago and I asked an F16 pilot what he had majored in? "Political Science". If you think about it it makes sense.

wierdscience
09-30-2003, 11:38 PM
So he wants to retire as a political analist http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Evan
09-30-2003, 11:41 PM
Wierd,

Was that a typo or did you actually mean analist instead of analyst? He he. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Really though, what is more political these days than shooting up people with a jet?

wierdscience
10-01-2003, 12:02 AM
Doing things to make people in jets shoot at you.I mean think about it,the Taliban,they had their own country,they could do whatever they wanted,all the had to do was turn over one guy,but did they do it?Nooooo!Hey if I was in their shoes Bin Ladin would have been taxidermied and wheeled up to the White House on a hand truck http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gifStupid bastards.

Oh ya,I mean analist http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif As in rectum poker http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Joel
10-01-2003, 01:24 AM
Nothing wrong with taking auto body, OR being a political science major. Better yet, both. Whatever floats your boat. The more things you know, the better.

Shed, your reading speed will increase as you read more. Even reading very slowly is infinitely faster then trial and error. Your level indicates comprehension and vocabulary, this is more important than speed.
The library will let you put a book on hold, you can easily do this yourself on the terminal. They will notify you when it is returned, and keep it there for you. They can also get you nearly any book ever published, just by asking.
Reading books is an enormous expedient for educating oneself. Besides, you are never going to learn about the wonders of a Neutron star by experiencing it first hand. Effectively, all the world’s knowledge can be found in books.

I foolishly ignored the vast majority of what was freely available for me to learn in school. I was a captive audience and still I didn't bother to pay enough attention. I failed to understand that virtually everything is worth knowing. I have spent too many of my years since school relearning things that I didn't feel significant at the time. I use fairly complex math daily in my shop. I had to painfully teach it to myself later, solely because of my stupidity at the time (not my ignorance, no excuse). I thought, “I’ll never use that”. Guess I figured wrong. I wasn’t smart enough to predict what I might need to know in the distant and ever changing future. I never failed a single class, but I failed miserably when it came to getting everything out of school that I could have. It was free for the taking.

History is just all the stuff that happened before today, which is most everything. By studying it, we learn from the mistakes of others so we don't have to suffer through making them ourselves. We can see the trends of the future from what has been done in the past. We might prevent the rise of the next Hitler, or simply marvel at the adventures of Shackleton, Oppenheimer, Cook, Franklin, or a thousand others. Studying the holocaust might convince you to get the hell out of dodge before someone tries to round YOU up (for an oversimplified example). I have also noticed that most information frequently applies to seemingly unrelated areas. For example, my knowledge of Latin greatly helps me understand medical and scientific terms as well as other languages due to their common Latin derivations. Dead language indeed! I spell well simply because of my familiarity with the written word. I know no rules, just read a lot.
Nobody ever convinced me any of this was important or interesting at the time. Lots of precious time wasted.

Ask the smart guys around here if they haven’t saved an enormous amount of time by reading. The answer won't surprise many. As for broadness, I’ll bet most of them can do everything from cutting steel with a torch, to sewing, and many, many things in between.

Hope I didn’t bore anyone.

Evan
10-01-2003, 01:53 AM
Nope, not boring. I recall when I discovered that I really did need to know trignometry. I hadn't learned it in school, my own fault. I went to a used book store and bought a trig textbook and painstakingly read every word and did every exercise until I understood. I then was able to write the programs I wanted, a orbital simulator, a celestial orrery, a line of postion calulator for navigation, and, most recently, design the telescope I completed this year. Without trignometry I could not have built it.

Shed, it may not seem useful at the moment but you don't know what you will need in the future. The more tools you have the more you can do.

G.A. Ewen
10-01-2003, 01:57 AM
Joel,
Not boring, good advice.

BTW Shed, I can sew. I learned twenty years ago after I had my first heart attack. There was about two and a half years where I was, for lack of a better word, an invalid. When you go from working 12 to 16 hours a day to being helped out bed and to the bathroom you have to do something to keep your sanity. For along time I repaired sewing machines and then I took a correspondence course on locksmithing. You can't ever get to much knowledge.

Shed Machinist
10-01-2003, 07:59 AM
The thing about me that you may or may not know, is that i try and learn everything i can. I can sew, i am glad i can and i just like doing things that make me learn. i don't like homework but i am usually looking forward to math class when i get to school. I get home and i walk into my back room, that is where i can relax and be creative. It is my shop.

Thrud
10-01-2003, 08:11 AM
John (Shed)
Never stop learning. You never know what might come in handy - your life might even depend on it.

Look at the kid that built his own fusion reactor (continuous reaction, BTW) from plans off the internet. His professors told him it could not be done - good thing he believed in himself. The multi-billion dollar reactors that have been built by the government only run in small spurts but put out substantial energy with enormous energy input - a large net loss.

Nothing is impossible - all things are probable. Even science fiction writers have contributed significantly to our modern lives by "dreaming up" possibilities that others have grabbed hold of and made real.

To help speed your reading, try this: use a bookmarker or small ruler placed under the sentance currently being read. Learn to read the entire line at once, then move the marker down to the next sentance, etc, etc. After some practice you will find your speed increasing, but do not sacrifice comprehension and retention for speed. They have to develope together. After a while you will be smokin' the books through the 'ol peanut. I used to be able to read a 1500 page book (Literature) in 4.5 hours with full comprehension and a technical or science book in a day or two.