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jfsmith
10-08-2003, 02:25 AM
O.K. now that the Terminator has proven only in a America, a poor immigrant can come, make bad movies (Arnold Strong - Hercules Movies), get a good looking lady, $800 million dollars in value and now governor.

Did anyone know he appeared in gay magazines when he first came to America?

Jim Hubbell
10-08-2003, 02:49 AM
I think "we" get what we deserve. God help us all!

Evan
10-08-2003, 03:28 AM
Yeah, and we have Jean Cretien as Prime Minister.

registered
10-08-2003, 04:39 AM
Very true JF.
It shows that only in America you can get the best politician money can buy.

ibewgypsie
10-08-2003, 06:01 AM
Yeah, is he Arnold Swartznegger playing the govenor, or a terminator playing Arnold?

WHoo hoo.. the world better look out. Electing people cause they got a pretty smile.

Only in America..

Actually from what I have read, Jessie Ventura has done a excellent job. I just hope Arnold does too.

pgmrdan
10-08-2003, 09:15 AM
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G.A. Ewen
10-08-2003, 09:54 AM
The one thing that you can say for Arnold is that in all his past endeavors (body building and movie making) he has worked hard. He probably will work hard as governor.

pgmrdan
10-08-2003, 10:03 AM
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bspooh
10-08-2003, 10:47 AM
Its not a tumor..

brent

pgmrdan
10-08-2003, 12:29 PM
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L Webb
10-08-2003, 02:28 PM
Arnold was not my first pick.
However, he was better than the other alternatives.

Hopefully now companies will not be scheduling the moving vans. The moving companies have stated they don't have enough trucks to meet the demand here lately.

If Arnold can get workers comp turned around and we can get the last couple of bills Gov. Lowbeam recently signed knocked down, we might have a chance of continuing to do business here.

We did our part. Now Arnold and the legislature have to do theirs.

Les

metal mite
10-08-2003, 04:26 PM
jfsmith

Quote;

Did anyone know he appeared in gay magazines when he first came to America?

No I didn't know that.

But than, I don't read gay magazines.

You libs just won't quit.

Metal Mite

j king
10-08-2003, 04:34 PM
I thought this whole time was pretty silly but then thought that this my work to put fear in all the politcal clowns.They might start to do a little more of what the majority want instead of what the special intrest groups want.I dont think arnold knows anything about running a state but I bet he will surround himself with people who will guide him.Same as bush but he is to stupid to listen.(Had to add that)

kenc
10-08-2003, 05:23 PM
Thank God Cruz Bustamante didn't get the job! Can you say "Open borders" and Free passes for all illegals - as long as they're Latino's that is.......

kgarver
10-08-2003, 05:41 PM
RE: Was "Running Man" the movie that Arnold and Jesse Ventura were in? Anyone else in that movie running for governor?

NOPE! "Predator" according to IMDbPro.com

Full Cast and Crew for Predator (1987)

Writing credits: Jim Thomas & John Thomas


Cast (in credits order) verified as complete

Arnold Schwarzenegger .... Major Dutch
Carl Weathers ............ Dillon
Elpidia Carrillo ......... Anna
Bill Duke ................ Sergeant Mac
Jesse Ventura ............ Blain
Sonny Landham .... ........ Billy
Richard Chaves ........... Poncho Ramirez
R.G. Armstrong ........... Gen. Phillips
Shane Black .............. Hawkins
Kevin Peter Hall ...........The Predator

Rest of cast listed alphabetically

Steve Boyum ................Hostage executed by The Russian (uncredited)
William H. Burton ..........Man shot down from tree (uncredited)
Sven-Ole Thorsen ...........Russian (uncredited)

I don't know. If you see any of these names on a ballet somewhere you'll know where they might have gotten their start!

I too heard that Jesse Ventura was good governor: he just got fed-up with all the BS. I can't blame him!

Regards, Ken

spope14
10-08-2003, 05:46 PM
OK, now I am sure things are screwed up.

On Oct 7th the Terminator wins Calif.

On Oct. 7th the Free State project choses our city to be their "test area" for their project. Nobody knew we were in the running for this 'honor". Just going to move in and make our small fair city in their image - kind of like "manifest destiny"? Many a really irate person here!!!! Not disliking Libs, but rather the process and intent to run it over us.

kgarver
10-08-2003, 05:54 PM
RE: On Oct. 7th the Free State project choses our city to be their "test area" for their project. Nobody knew we were in the running for this 'honor".

What city are you in and what is the "Free State Project". Please describe these wonderful political mysteries for us 'way out here on the East coast!

Thanks, Ken

pgmrdan
10-08-2003, 06:06 PM
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kgarver
10-08-2003, 06:39 PM
Well I was 1/2 right. I stand corrected. I also liked "Running Man" better than "Predator" too. I never though of them both in it. Muyst be old age catchihng up with me!

Ken

pgmrdan
10-08-2003, 06:44 PM
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McDuff
10-08-2003, 06:56 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by pgmrdan:
Ken,
I didn't remember Jesse in Predator but that was never one of my favorite movies.

Interesting!</font>


JV was the one running around the jungle with the mini gun and a wad of chew.

"Payback Time"

But how he could go from the SEALS to the WWF?

Andy

gamachinist
10-08-2003, 07:56 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by bspooh:
Its not a tumor..

brent</font>

prgmerdan,
That's from the movie "Kindergarten Cop".He tells a room full of preschoolers he has a headache and one of the kids suggests he has a tumor.His reply is "it's not a toomaah (tumor)".With his accent,people (the media wags and general pundits) will have to figure out what he said before they try to figure out what he meant.Could get interesting.

I don't know what kind of governor he will be.He has got a whole family of professional pol's to ask.Since they are Democrats,I see a lot of conflict for him between the GOP and Maria's family.He may turn out to be a good middle of the road governor even though I feel he's a little naive about how much work this is going to be.If you don't like his movies,you can look forward to a lull in releases after the ones on the shelf get used up!

As for the gay magazine poses,it wouldn't surprise me since he had a rather impressive physique that would play as well to that group as the readers of Playgirl.

Robert.

pgmrdan
10-08-2003, 08:17 PM
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Cass
10-08-2003, 08:20 PM
All those who like to waste space and time talking about politics on this site need to keep their mouths shut about those who put offers to sell equipment on this site. The "for sale" items are a lot more interesting and closer to the point of the forum than worthless political hot air. I argue politics all the time and look at this site for some relief.

wierdscience
10-08-2003, 09:28 PM
Is it that Arnold is prettier than Davis,or is it that Davis is so utterly stupid that he lost?300%increase in car tags,what a moron!

Shed Machinist
10-08-2003, 10:51 PM
I will terminate davis, or whatever he said.

Oso
10-09-2003, 12:22 AM
Frankly, I think that most politicians are always talking from their one-eyed face...........and using that brain also.

charlie coghill
10-09-2003, 12:39 AM
Hay you guys in Calif voted for the wrong person! My money was on the porno movie star.
I am a resident of a neiboring state and I voted absentee ballot for her. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
Charlie

SJorgensen
10-09-2003, 01:18 AM
I am utterly surprised in the outcome of the California recall. I wouldn't be surprised if another recall in California is in the works already. Californians have been tricked into thinking all their problems were the result of bad Californian leadership. The truth is that all their problems are due to bad NATIONAL leadership. The whole country is suffering. They are also suffering the effects of Bush's friends who manipulated the energy markets and caused their energy crisis of 2001 and they will be paying for it for many years. These same friends of Bush are the people advising Bush on his new "Energy Plan" that will deliver this same treatment to the rest of us. We are already paying for their manipulation and control of the oil markets today.
Arnold has made a lot of promises, but the romance with Arnold will last about as long as his charm before one of the gangbangs he admitted participating in. He will find the problems are not just wiped away with a promise. You can't make everyone happy, but you certainly can piss everyone off. Arnold grew up admiring Adolph Hitler. I don’t believe people often change early idolatry. Also according to Al Franken, Arnold has maintained a lifelong friendship with an ex-Nazi SS official. Didn’t Adolph Hitler say something like “It is easier to sell a big lie than a small one”?

I can't understand why this doesn't concern the people in California who have no idea where Arnold stands on many issues, and that he has no qualifications to run that government. At least Jessie Ventura was a Navy Seal. He has proven integrity. I think he did a great job, and you knew whom you were dealing with. With an actor you are really dealing with whoever writes the scripts. It could be Karl Rove.

Today California, TOMORROW THE WORLD!

Spence

metal mite
10-09-2003, 10:54 AM
Yep,
All George B's falt.
The clintons had nothing to do with it in those eight years.
mite

L Webb
10-09-2003, 01:55 PM
Sorry Spence.
It was the leadership in this state that caused the problems.
Arnold was not the best choice. The best man for the job finished third. California is not ready to elect a conservative.

This crap about Arnold and Hitler is just that....crap. It is all heresay and everybody treats it like gospel.

Al Franken has about as much credibility as.....well....who knows on that one. He is not even worth quoting.

Les

pgmrdan
10-09-2003, 03:28 PM
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Thrud
10-09-2003, 04:07 PM
Sure wish we had recall - or a democracy... http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//frown.gif

SJorgensen
10-09-2003, 10:09 PM
Hi L Webb,
I didn't make up anything about Arnold Schwarzenegger or his past, or the fact that his father was a member of the Nazi party. Much of what I know is from a film producer named George Butler who met Schwarzenegger while doing research for a book. He produced the movies "Pumping Iron" and "Pumping Iron 2" and my favorite "The Endurance: Shackleton's Legendary Antarctic Expedition" (That is a great story.)
Butler said that Arnold liked to click his heels and salute like an SS officer and listen to Nazi speaches. I find this credible. This is a quote of Arnold:
"I admired Hitler... because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power. And I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for his way of getting to the people... We can't live without authority. Because I feel that a certain amount of people who were meant to do this and control; and larger amount, like 95% of the people, who we have to tell what to do and how to keep order. That is why I am all for it... I feel if you want to create a strong nation and a strong country you cannot let everybody be an individual... In Germany there was a lot of unity. The German soldiers were the best, and with the police force and everything... There is one thing I don't like here and that people go on their own little trips too much. I think it's because we don't have a strong leader here... To speak to maybe 50,000 people at one time and have them cheer, like Hitler in the Nuremberg Stadium, and have all those people scream at you and just being in total agreement with whatever you say... --Arnold Schwarzenegger, from 1977 transcript of interview with George Butler.

Al Franken is a comedian, but he is also a very intelligent human being. He makes his points with facts and humor. Time will tell about his credibility, so I won't debate you on this point. If you know of something that he has said that is wrong, well that might make a good point. Otherwise you can just impugn his credibility like you did, or just say that he is a big...a big.... fat...bugger.
And he might say, “I know you are, but what am I.”
The reference to Arnold's lifelong friendship with an Nazi SS official was that he invited ex-Nazi Kurt Waldheim to his wedding to Maria Shriver.

PgmrDan, I hate decaff. I prefer things that are true to what they really are.

Spence

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NAIT
10-09-2003, 11:21 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SJorgensen:
Al Franken is a comedian, but he is also a very intelligent human being. He makes his points with facts and humor. Time will tell about his credibility</font>

Surely you're aware of the book "Al Franken is a Buck-Toothed Moron". Franken has no credibility and his book (hatchet job) on Rush Limbaugh was found to be full of errors and cheap shots.

SJorgensen
10-09-2003, 11:33 PM
I'd like to hear that Limbaugh can pass a drug test! I wonder if he is a drug dealing two faced bastard. What I'd give for a lock of his hair.

The news reports spoke of Limbaugh buying as many as 4,350 pills -- all of them opium derivatives such as Lorcet, hydrocodone and OxyContin, which have the same effect as morphine, in a 47-day period.

NAIT,
How about giving me something with some meat in it? I don't want to have to buy that book. But if you give me a point or two I'd be happy to look into it.

Spence

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brunneng
10-10-2003, 02:13 AM
I supported Arnold for some very simple reasons.

He may have been involved with politics for quite awhile but he has not made a career out of holding office. Holding a political office is not going to make or break him like a professional politician - example: Jesse V. got it, did it, left it. He doesn't have to make special insterest groups happy because he simply doesn't need their money or votes to keep his family fed.

He isn't the idiot that a lot of people take him for. They only see him as the big dumb guy with the simple dialog. He ensures that his dialog is kept simple because he knows what he needs to do and what he's capable of. Anybody in Hollywood with the clout he has can try any type of role they want. A lot of people have taken me for a "lessor" person because I'm fat. Never mind that I have run a business, work as a programmer and graphic artist, hobby as an HSM, and in electronics and read physics books for fun but you wouldn't know that if you didn't sit down an talk TO me instead of listen about me. I'll judge him by what he does not by what people who make a living by tearing down others say.

The fact that he decided he wanted to live in this country more than anything and figured out a course, and then did it says a lot about his character. He wanted to be successful and studied to do so. He set a goal and did it. Then again, and again, and again. He's a very successful businessman and when he needed to know more, he learnt. He probably knows more about this country and it's business than most of the population. Most people born here couldn't pass the citizenship test. I'd probably fail it myself and I had a 4.0 average and was in the "higher" level classes.

When he supported Bush senior and became the presidential fitness advisor he toured the country to start programs and promote fitness in schools on HIS dime, not the feds.

He has consistently promoted, provided for and backed programs for inner-city youth. A Hilter wanna be wouldn't try to educate the minorities. And as far as to what he might have said about "some should rule and some shouldn't" - I can't argue with that. I wouldn't want 90% of the people I have to deal with on a daily basis run things. I also know from other postings on this bbs that most of you wouldn't either.

Can he make a good Governor? - I think so.
Can he help Ca fix our problems? - I hope so.
Is he qualified? Who knows. How do you know until you see what they can do. The best president in the world might be the guy (or gal) who just sold you your shoes and I like that in this country they just might get the chance - slim tho it is.

We have a lot to fix. I saw him in a speech say that he wasn't going to fix our problems - He's going to do what he can but it's going to take the state to fix the state, it's more than he can do by himself. His words. All I usually hear from politicans is, I will do this, I will do that and they don't.

I'm really glad Cruz didn't get in. California is so open now that I don't see why we even bother with a border. Now don't get me wrong. I believe in hating a person for the person and liking a person for the person, not their birth, class or education.

L Webb
10-10-2003, 02:20 AM
Spence

I would be interested to know where you got that transcript of the Arnold interview.
Is it something you have in print or is it off the internet or even worse, from the Los Angeles Times newspaper?

Arnold's father was a member of the Nazi Party. I don't think there was much of a choice to be made in that era.

I rank Al Franken right up there with Michael Moore. I don't care for either of them.

I still think Tom McClintock was the best man for the Governor job. Time will tell whether Arnold can do the job or is just a Hitler admiring breast groping fool.
The fact is that we needed Davis gone. We don't need Mr. Mecha Bust-ur-money as Governor. That guy is a snake. He looks like a sleaxy used car dealer. You know the type. No offense meant to hardworking honest car dealers.

What I really care about is getting this workers comp mess straightened out and the tripled car license fee or tax eliminated. We need to junk the recent bills Davis signed.

We need to get this state business-friendly again. I would hate to see any of our customers leave this state.

I just want to continue to produce top quality parts for our fine customers.
I also prefer having a full-on machine shop to do my projects. It would suck to have to have just a few machines in my garage. I guess that I am just spoiled. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Les

SJorgensen
10-10-2003, 02:26 AM
I can respect that point of view.

Spence

pgmrdan
10-10-2003, 09:32 AM
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Oso
10-10-2003, 11:17 AM
The Kalifornia election was unfair.

This is known...because the result was wrong.

The wrong Democrat got elected...it was supposed to be Bustamante...not Ahnold

When the result is wrong, you know the election was unfair........then you can go look for the proof.

I think there were some republicans running, but they were somewhere back in the pack with the porn star and the other actors and comedians.

NAIT
10-10-2003, 11:26 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by pgmrdan:
I do remember Arnold's line in another movie, "I let him go." when asked what he did with a bad buy. That's one of my favorites. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif</font>

"I'll kill you last"

jfsmith
10-10-2003, 02:13 PM
I think the Americans should have a "vote of confidence" like some of the other democracy's have.

I too have Jean Cretien for my dictator, but I think he has run out of political life.

SJorgensen
10-13-2003, 02:23 AM
Oso,
Do you know anything about Arnold? Do you even know if he graduated from High School? He wouldn't debate so it is even harder to really know what his personality is like under the crucible. No one really knows his true politics, and yet my Senator Orrin Hatch is already trying to amend the Constitution of the United States to allow a foreign born President of the United States. Is this screwing with the constitution necessary? To me it speaks of a plan. I already know that I don't like their plan.

Spence

SJorgensen
10-13-2003, 02:43 AM
Today I learned of a new interesting thing. Maybe some of you knew this, but I didn't.

On this day Oct 12, 2003 a caller to C-Span (I mention this because anyone can view any recent C-Span TV broadcast over the internet if they choose to do it. Very Cool.) Mentioned something very sinister and Rumsfeld and Cheney and Bush Sr. were involved. This was 50 years ago. I hope some of you are capable of using the internet to find information. The keywords on this subject are "Artichoke" "Frank Olson".
The more suspicious I get of these people, the more I find out that justifies my suspicions. This doesn't happen when there aren't any supportive material or circumstances. If any of you learn anything I would like to know.

Thanks,

Spence

jfsmith
10-13-2003, 06:05 PM
In the Sylvester Stallone movie, Demolition Man, they mention the Schwarzenegger Presidential Library. Something about Arnold becoming prez after they changed the constitution.

I think this change in the fabric of the U.S. would be difficult to passed.

Lets see how Arnold does as governor before changing the constitution.

Oso
10-13-2003, 06:23 PM
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/nov2002/arti-n13.shtml

It does not seen to relate directly to Ahnold.......

I do not personally agree with changing the constitution for any purpose in the forseeable future....A constitutional convention would be a mistake for anyone interested in having a United States.....

Past that comment I cannot make any further statement at this time.

wierdscience
10-13-2003, 09:16 PM
Switch from foil to .065" aluminum,the "rays"are getting in again http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

happy02
10-13-2003, 11:41 PM
I have a brother-in-law that lives and ownes a small business in Ca. For what its worth, If he dosen't screw up any more than the last Asshole has then he will be a Savior!!

SJorgensen
10-14-2003, 12:00 AM
I was a bit concerned when I saw that website because it is a "socialist" website and they may have their "socialist" agenda. However there are some other websites and especially a website by the family of the murdered man that had lots of information. The facts are only interesting in relation to Schwarzenegger if you become aware of what people and our governments are capable of doing. The only way to understand is to learn of what has happened in the past. If you believe that these things never have happened and never will again then it is easy to ignore until it is too late to stop it. Bush Cheney and Rumsfeld have been doing things like this for decades. None of these things would come to light if sometimes a sheep didn't stray from the herd.

It does make me a little paranoid. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Don’t let the past repeat. Learn what you can learn, and know what you can know.

Spence

Oso
10-14-2003, 12:43 AM
Spence, it ain't only the Bushies....they are ALL like that...Clinton was the same, Reagan was the same, Carter didn't want to, but had to be the same......for sure Eisenhower was the same, and before that it was the norm, since the media were very limited.

Really any president is a figurehead. The agencies and large federal bureaucracy is what runs the place, and starts those great programs like TIA.

A president rapidly finds out that he has a little less influence on those organizations than the junior janitor.

Even if the head man is replaced, the real stuff is happening 3 to 6 layers down. He will never even know, quite possibly. No one person can know, any more than anyone can *really* know what happens when Windows runs on a computer....

The middle managers run the government, and hence your life.

Major shakeups just are hiccups in the middle management world, they can absorb anything and keep right on chugging along. There is always another one to pick it up if one is fired or dies. Like ants or termites.