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Spin Doctor
01-30-2010, 05:28 PM
I got infected. Any suggestions as to products. Running Firefox and XP

SteveF
01-30-2010, 05:33 PM
I got infected a month ago by something that zoomed right past AVG 9.0 free version so I'm interested in the replies also.

Steve.

Dunc
01-30-2010, 05:41 PM
Using Norton Internet Security (NIS) 2010. I have used earlier versions of either it or Norton AntiVirus (NAV). NIS has more features. There are plenty of others: some free & some you pay. I know that choices here tend to be very personal; all I can say is it works for me.

Any number of "PC magazines" (generically, not "the PC Magazine" have periodic reviews online, see, for eg
http://www.2010softwarereports.com/default.aspx?Refer=MSN11&keyword=e-anti-virus

Staples (Canada) has, for the past few years had really good deals on both apps in late Nov/early Dec. One of the reasons I like it...

Spin Doctor
01-30-2010, 05:54 PM
The cynic in me says the Software companies that make the Av stuff have a "Division of Infection" to boost sales :eek:

Turns out this is a scam. I got nailed by "Internet Security 2010" Info here

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/virus-removal/remove-internet-security-2010

ckelloug
01-30-2010, 06:13 PM
I like www.f-prot.com. A good deal and excellent software.

Too_Many_Tools
01-30-2010, 06:21 PM
FYI..

The virus situation has gotten so bad that banks are now recommending one reserve a separate computer ONLY for on line bank use...and to NOT use it for ANY other purpose.

Other than this situation, anytime you use your computer to check accounts, pay bills, use your credit card, check your 401K/IRA...you are possibly giving the bad guys the info to steal from you.

TMT

MTNGUN
01-30-2010, 07:27 PM
Linux Mint.

loose nut
01-30-2010, 07:42 PM
No single anti-virus/spyware program will do the job.

I have AVG running in the background all the time but I also scan weekly with MS Defender, Ad-aware and Spybot:search and destroy.

I also have a spyware blocker program called Spyware Blaster that I run once a week that will stop spyware programs that do get in your system.

Use a User account not an administrators, yes it is a pain in the arse but necessary.

With all that I still don't consider my PC safe enough for important/financial info and transactions, there isn't any way to guarantee that you aren't infected with a new virus or have a root kit running on your system.

And stay off the Porn sites you bunch of perverts, that's one of the best ways to get infected.

J. Randall
01-30-2010, 07:56 PM
I run AVG, Superanitspyware, and ccleaner, all free. Have not had any problems in a long time.
James

MaxxLagg
01-30-2010, 08:03 PM
I used AVG for years. Was a great program. Like many great free programs though, it got so bloated that it just wasn't effective/friendly. Especially since this last version (9). In addition to the things made it ineffective it had a program running named AVGCHSVX.EXE that was scanning cached files AT ALL TIMES. My hard drive was spinning 24 hours a day because of this. You could pull up Task Manager, kill it, and it would come right back to life. You couldn't stop it! My computer was SOOOOOOOO slow because of this! In addition, since version 9, I've (and a lot of other people according to the research that I did trying to solve the problem) had a problem in FireFox 3.5.x of not getting pages to load. You'd click on a link and it would start to load a page and then stall. If you hit refresh a few times it would load. I finally got fed up with it and uninstalled it. Hard drive quit spinning all the time. I have Avast running right now and it seems to be as good and unintrusive as AVG used to be before they went bigtime. FireFox issues went away too. ZoneAlarm is the next thing to get replaced. Not as good as it used to be either.

Too_Many_Tools
01-30-2010, 09:42 PM
One needs to remember that the best virus never lets you know its there...it just sits and mines information which it transmits to its handler.

dp
01-30-2010, 10:42 PM
One needs to remember that the best virus never lets you know its there...it just sits and mines information which it transmits to its handler.

Funny you should bring up Google... not by name, of course :)

MTNGUN
01-30-2010, 11:06 PM
Funny you should bring up Google... not by name, of course :)
At the suggestion of Mozilla's honcho, I switched to Bing recently. Dunno if it is really less invasive, but like a lot of people, I was unimpressed with Google's attitude toward privacy.
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/12/11/mozilla-and-firefox-veteran-citing-ceo-eric-schmidts-latest-ou/

There seems to be a pattern in the lifespan of a software company. They start out creative and cool, but as they age, they become bloated and self-serving. Microsoft, Google, AVG, Firefox. What's next ?

CCWKen
01-30-2010, 11:21 PM
Install a firewall like Outpost. It detects and blocks backdoor and outbound connections that you don't allow. It's kind of a pain at first (teaching the software about little known programs) but if some logger slips through, it can't send any info out.

dp
01-30-2010, 11:46 PM
Not to hijack the thread, but check your cookies and count all the __utmc, __utmz, __utma, and __gads cookies you have. That's google watching you cruize the net.

Reminds me of this - What's Google building out there?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaLjwSpZ6Cs

hardtail
01-31-2010, 04:07 AM
I found that AVG and especially version 9 was really slowing down my computer so on one of the last virus threads I chose to switch to Avira free and run Malwarebytes periodically, I must say the Avira turned up numerous things that AVG seemed content to let reside there and seems to run effortlessly while checking............

SteveF
01-31-2010, 04:59 AM
And stay off the Porn sites you bunch of perverts, that's one of the best ways to get infected.

I got hit while checking news stories on a local TV station's web site.


AVG also was recently sold to a Czech company and I'm not sure I trust the programmers there any more than I trust the Russians.

To Spin Doctor's point, it's not inconceivable that AVG would release a virus designed to infect a computer with AVG Free in the hopes that the person would decide they needed more protection and move to the subscription version.

Steve.

rockrat
01-31-2010, 01:29 PM
I am in the middle of a possible virus issue. I normally use Opera to cruse the net but I have been thinking of switching to Firefox.

Well, I jumped on my hosting site a few days back and got a message that said "We will no longer support or allow users to access our site with anything other than Firefox or IE 6 or better." I think it was Ie6, not for sure now.

So I fired up IE (which I hardly use) and made some changes to my site. Shortly after, AVG stopped 2 Trojan virus threats on my system. Something forced a download of a file called e.exe and AVG noted that it was trying to do something nasty.

So, I started the normal procedure when my system slowed a bit. So I started to look around for information and found this site. I have not used all of the tools in the list but I am slowly working through the list and monitoring the logs. The big problem is that its tough to know everything that you might need to know when reading the logs. Some things just look like normal operations. (Like svchost.exe)

Anyway, here is the link. The site suggests that you sign up and post your logs and they look through them and give recommendations. Use at your own risk, I haven't made it through the site well enough to endorse it.

http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic58138.html

rock~

lazlo
01-31-2010, 01:44 PM
At the suggestion of Mozilla's honcho, I switched to Bing recently. Dunno if it is really less invasive, but like a lot of people, I was unimpressed with Google's attitude toward privacy.

Bing is Microsoft :)

Search companies like Google, Bing/Microsoft, Yahoo et al make money by creating an online profile of you, and selling ads targeted to your demographic.

Try this experiment: in Google mail, send an email to yourself about a machining center. The Google AdSense ad at the top of the page will suddenly be a machining-related ad. Ditto with Bing or Yahoo: search for "cancer treatments" and you'll get a bunch of sponsored ads from cancer centers.

It's the nature of the beast: capitalism at work.

dp
01-31-2010, 01:49 PM
It's the nature of the beast: capitalism at work.

If that were true they'd pay me for my permissioin to use my personal information rather than stealing it by monitoring my activities. What they do is theft, plain and simple.

lazlo
01-31-2010, 01:58 PM
If that were true they'd pay me for my permissioin to use my personal information rather than stealing it by monitoring my activities. What they do is theft, plain and simple.

Theft is extreme capitalism :) If they had to pay you a royalty for your demographic information, it would reduce their profit margin ;)

Spin Doctor
02-13-2010, 05:59 PM
Everyone thanks for the input. I did run Malwarebytes and that got rid of most of the issues. Not all but most. But Sunday while listening to the Super Bowl I heard an ad on the radio for Internet Security 2010. Now that takes some stones. :eek::eek:

Farbmeister
02-14-2010, 07:04 AM
If that were true they'd pay me for my permissioin to use my personal information rather than stealing it by monitoring my activities. What they do is theft, plain and simple.

Even though you agreed to allow it?

http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS

2.1 In order to use the Services, you must first agree to the Terms. You may not use the Services if you do not accept the Terms.

What was the last *anything* you paid for a subscription on the interwebs for?

There are pay-to-play search engines... I doubt that you will.

Farbmeister
02-14-2010, 07:11 AM
I got infected. Any suggestions as to products. Running Firefox and XP

Format and reinstall. You have no idea what is infecting your PC. At best a virus scanner is 40-60% accurate. And stacking AVS minimally increases that percentage.

GKman
02-14-2010, 09:58 AM
. At best a virus scanner is 40-60% accurate.

Where did you get that?

airsmith282
02-14-2010, 10:28 AM
i use avg mind you i have also run with out any anti virus as well.same thing no real problems here, avg has never giving me any conflicks of any kind and i like FREEEEE free is for me

spysweeper is the number 1 choice for an anti spyware but now avg has that stuff built in so i just use avg now and i save a bundle.

ok the facts are simple guys , dont start mesing with more then one antivirus or anti spyware unless your prepared to reformat and reload your computer alot.

i dont care what some guys say about oh use reg cleaner and then your good to go, ,sorry you dont know crap , i been into computers and programming sence 1982 and what some of the guys over the years have come up with its just stupied.

no and i mean no progame is the end all to be all for anit virus or anti spyware anti adware ok its not going to happen, some of this programs have a time relased alert that fakes a virus and so on and some cause the virus that shows up interesting eh, theres more,
think your getting hacked there is a good one, zone alram and others like it have generators built in to keep you parinoed to make you belive your getting hacked so they can sell you the program, you thnk iam full of crap become a programmer and start taking these programs apart then your say your sorry for doubting me,,
firewalls are a joke and can not work here is why , as long as you have an internet conection and you are surfing and doing email you can get hacked and a hacker can get in just as easy.. almost all companys that devolpe this sofware have back doors you get into your system threw the program.. there was a thing on the new about that one,, was no news to me , but was interesting to see i was right about this stuff..

what are your chances of getting hacked well if your military or any sort of government connection RCMP or any other law enforcemnt setup. lawyers doctors court system anything with in the government you have a 100% chance, if you are none of these your risk of getting hacked is like 9% if that,,,

torrent sites porn sites peer to peer networking programs your chances of hacked or a virus are 78 %could be higher.

latley i have read some of you have said stuff about a virus on photo bucket, ok then how come its not on the news how come it has not affected even me or any of my buddies ,, sounds to me more like some people have other issuses and you are putting it off on avg , or is it a conspiricy and your the only ones getting affected i cant say for sure on that but it has not affected me or my buddies..

anyhow, stick with what you got if you want to try anohter anti virus then reformate and then load in the new program . more then one anti virus or anti spyware and so on on the same sytem even if you deleted it there are remains in the system that can cause a virus or bad crash as well ..

thousands of my computer customers over the years have seen this stuff first hand, my rule was i always ask the customer to stick around if they could while i worked on there systems so they knew i could be trusted ,,one guy even came in one day this was funny, says my computer is loaded with virus and i cant get them out , so ok we booted itup 13 diffrent programs installed for anti this or that, so i ask him why, all he says , while one could not do it so i tried another and another , well by gum i says you really made a mess,
ok so reformat reload put on avg and spysweeper and told him not to mess withit and informed him if he has something that it wont rid it self of then just format and reload again,some are snorten fans, ok have you r junk slow own your system cause other problems to ,, me i know better and so do many others as well. norten snorten stuff is total junk , macafee junk the list is endless,

we can go on for hours but i think most of you get the idea here , by now..

want to call me a quack go ahead i really could care less, i do this crap for a living,

even macintosh computers get virused and hacked sence OSX came out,, just does not happen anywhere near as often,

lazlo
02-14-2010, 12:29 PM
The joys of capitalism: the free anti-virus programs (AVG and Avast!) have much worse detection rates than their "professional" versions. Even the pro version of AVG (shown here) has a really poor detection rate:

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u15/rtgeorge_album/detectionrates.png

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u15/rtgeorge_album/detectionratesII.png

That data is from AV Comparatives, which is an independent testing agency that updates their comparative testing quarterly:

http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/ondret/avc_report23.pdf

Choosing an Anti-Virus product isn't as simple as picking the one with the highest detect rate (G-Data) -- many of the virus scanners with high detection rates also have very high false positive rates. There's also the issue that the detection rate is inversely proportional to the amount of resources the scanner takes (more is better) and how slow it is (longer scans times often mean a more thorough scan = higher detection rate).

Joel R
02-14-2010, 01:19 PM
No single antivirus/antimalware heuristic/algorithm will get everything. I run several, and still managed to catch the newest virus craze: the fake internet security malware (i.e. Internet Security 2010). Three different malware programs found different infections.

I personally run Clamwin, which is a free, open source, and very good antivirus.

For anti-malware, I run a combination of Superantispyware, Malwarebytes, and Ad-Aware (as a backup).

My computer runs through the Windows firewall, followed by a hardware firewall on the computer (nForce), followed by the router. The more the merrier.

My suggestion is to look at the free anti softwares, and stock up on several. I recommend Malwarebytes and Clamwin. I've also heard great things about NOD32, although this is rather expensive.

loose nut
02-14-2010, 03:59 PM
Theft is extreme capitalism :) If they had to pay you a royalty for your demographic information, it would reduce their profit margin ;)

Robinhood was a thief and a commie bastard, he stole from the rich and gave to the poor.

Capitalism is when the rich capitalist bastards, like Google, steal from the poor, namely us, and give to themselves.

SGW
02-14-2010, 04:13 PM
What somebody said: no one piece of software will stop 100% of the viruses/malware. All you can do is make the odds as favorable to you as possible.

I run:
AVG Free 9.0 - I have to turn off the "Active SurfShield" option or pages don't load reliably, but otherwise it's been fine. It did take a bit of configuring to get e-mail scanning to work, so if you use it be sure it is in fact scanning your e-mail.

Zone Alarm firewall
Malwarebytes, manually, every couple of days
Spybot, with its real-time monitor enabled
Spyware Blaster

I'm connected through a router and modem with a hardware firewall that makes me invisible on the Internet (no visible ports). And I'm cautious about what I click on.

And so far...I've been okay.

loose nut
02-14-2010, 04:16 PM
No single antivirus/antimalware heuristic/algorithm will get everything. I run several, and still managed to catch the newest virus craze: the fake internet security malware (i.e. Internet Security 2010). Three different malware programs found different infections.

I personally run Clamwin, which is a free, open source, and very good antivirus.

For anti-malware, I run a combination of Superantispyware, Malwarebytes, and Ad-Aware (as a backup).

My computer runs through the Windows firewall, followed by a hardware firewall on the computer (nForce), followed by the router. The more the merrier.

My suggestion is to look at the free anti softwares, and stock up on several. I recommend Malwarebytes and Clamwin. I've also heard great things about NOD32, although this is rather expensive.


You should only have one running at a time, in the background but scan alternately with others to catch what falls through the cracks. Multiple anti-virus/spy ware programs can, if rarely, trip each other up by thinking another program definition is actually a detection.

I am currently using Avast, AVG 9 had to many false pos. and scan with Defender (only because it is there) Adaware, Spybot S&d, AVG. I also run Spy ware blaster which is a spy ware blocker program, hardware and software firewalls, which can be hacked by those in the know but most of us are not worth the trouble to do it.

The best thing you can do is to run in a user account and not as an administrator. Vista and beyond, with the user controls, can stop most bad things from happening, yes it is a pain in the butt but it does work.

dp
03-02-2010, 01:36 PM
The ClamAV people are now offering a free Windows version of the excellent Unix anti-virus tool. ClamAV is most frequently used in firewall situations for protecting the home office or enterprise from mail attached malware. This is a host version for Windows end users:

http://www.clamav.net/about/win32/

The ClamAV signature set and the heuristics tools are excellent. It will be interesting to see how the new partnership with Immunet goes.

Your Old Dog
03-02-2010, 05:53 PM
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Capitalism is when the rich capitalist bastards, like Google, steal from the poor, namely us, and give to themselves.

You're right! I think Google should tool up to provide us with a good solid search engine without any strings attached. Should be done out of the kindness of their hearts. Maybe we should get the info we seek for free just to make it fair so they won't be the only ones with info :D