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srecker
02-09-2002, 02:36 AM
A lot of you guys have mentioned the model engineer mag, but usually only refering to rather old issue's. I know that it still is being published, but the price is a little steep (about $106 US dollars for 26 issues a year). Does anyone get this mag? I need more reading material than HSM and Metal Workshop provide. Also what is the difference between Model Engineering and Model Engineering Workshop?

kap pullen
02-09-2002, 10:17 AM
Model Engineer is more similar to live steam or modeltech than HSM.
You see more in the way of model projects than workshop tools.
It was very heavy into locomotives and traction models.
E. Westbury did gas engine construction .
George Thomas and others did have regular
workshop projects including the Quorn tool grinder and bending rolls.

Today magazines are more specalized I think.
It was and I assume still is a good mag. but may be a little pricy, and usually late(slow boat).
I never read model engineering workshop.

kapullen

kap pullen
02-09-2002, 02:11 PM
Speaking of Live Steam and Model Engineer,

Do you guys remember that supplier, jerry penrose of penn models whe operated out of Ontario?

He was doing a series on building the Beaver locomotive 0-6-0 in Live Steam Magizine in the seventies I think.

I was building the Caribou, an 0-8-0 by Martin Evans.
Evans was the editor of Model Engineer at the time.

Penrose was copyiny Evans's plans scaling down to an 0-6-0 and claiming to be the designer.

All the corrections he made in live steam were things he copied wrong on Martin Evans origional Caribou plans. Kinda funny at the time once I spotted it.

I just watched it go down. Thought they had some kinda agreement.

He got found out eventually, as they all do.

Live Steam had to pay Model Engineer with ad space in to settle the suit.

Model Engineer ran many ads for months in Live Steam after that one.

Funny things happon!
Not so funny to those involved I'd bet....

Kapullen

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John Stevenson
02-09-2002, 05:46 PM
I'm afraid to say Model Engineer isn't the magazine it was. They have spun off various subjects into specialist mags and really only left the core of steam locos.
There are a few other articles but the bulk of the workshop stuff is now handled by the sister mag Model Engineers Workshop. This is a two monthly issue and is well worth it. A lot of people I know have dropped ME as being too specialised.
There is another publication in the UK called Enginering in Miniture which covers the whole aspect of the hobby. Published by TEE publishing.
http://www.fotec.co.uk/mehs/tee/index.html
Also good stockist of Model Engineering books.
For a good read try to get some of the past ME issues from the 50's up to the 80's

John S.

SGW
02-09-2002, 06:12 PM
I think ME ran into a bad patch in the '60s and wasn't very good for a while, but the '50s and '70s were "vintage."

Thrud
02-09-2002, 11:22 PM
I get "Model Engineer" and "Model Engineer Workshop". I prefer "MEW" over "ME" but do they have some beautiful models in "ME"! I think as far as locos go they are better than "Live Steam". I prefer "Live Steam" for motor articles (like that Corliss a few years ago). Used to get "Engineering in Minature" - liked it the best - can't get it here anymore. I keep saying I am going to subscribe to "Stricly I.C." but never seem to get around to it...

Dave

John Stevenson
02-10-2002, 04:50 AM
Dave, Don't quote me on this but I think Strictly IC has finished. If not then it's one that sounds similar. Perhaps someone your side can comment.

John S.

JCHannum
02-10-2002, 07:41 AM
Yes, they have ceased publishing unfortunately. They will continue to offer back issues for a while though.

Rich Carlstedt
02-11-2002, 12:19 AM
Kap
I remember, and knew Jerry Penrose.
I lived in Canada in the 70's and use to go
to his basement shop in Oakville,Ontario to buy steam engine castings...he really was quite a guy, can't comment on his writting as I was not into 3/4 scale locomotives.
Did you know he was very mechanically minded and went with the University ( of Ontario , I think) as a technician on a scientific exploration trip to the North Pole (early 1970 ?)....He kept the snowmobiles running under extreme duress as you can imagine...he was very resorceful man

Interesting comment you made. He told me he had a battle going on with ME at the time, but I didn't understand the real issues
Thanks !

Thrud
02-11-2002, 12:27 AM
John,
I am very sorry to hear that, is Modeltec next? That last issue took over half a year to come out!

Dave

kap pullen
02-12-2002, 07:43 AM
Rich,

Good to see another side to J. Penrose.

Kapullen


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nf1z
02-23-2002, 03:13 AM
Hmmm. just clicked on the link in one of the messages:

http://www.fotec.co.uk/mehs/tee/index.html

and was inspired to order the mag, Engineering in Miniature. Painless, took about 2 minutes. Pain is later, I guess, when the charge card bill arrives

Another writer was saying how he can't get it here anymore. Well, remains to be seen if I actually get the mag, but I ordered it on the web site for GBP36, about $55-$60 I guess, for 14 issues (special offer) "air-speeded", whatever that is, to US. Seems a reasonable price.

I know EIM is a good mag, I have always picked up copies when I was in England, along with all the copies of ME and other mags I could find. It is quality, as are the other books on that web site. I have ordered from them several times, always with complete satisfaction. They once refused to sell me a book that I'd ordered that was published in the US, and pointed me to the publisher's web site. The books are also very well priced, even with the shipping price included. The UK PO is very helpful of "educational" printed material, and I was getting my books within a week, with pretty good shipping charges. In fact, I remember it was cheaper for me to get them shipped from UK to MA than to order the same book from a US seller, because the US sellers all add on a premium.

I have been thinking about subscribing to ME far a few years, but have never thought it was justifiable, in the end. Just too expensive. There ARE 26 issues, and it comes along way, but over $100 is too much. If I still lived in UK, no question I would get it. The EIM price seems OK, though.

I was a subscriber to ME back in 1962-67 or so, and it was THE magazine. Although it was going downhill as another writer said. The "LBSC" days were gone, and Martin Evans thought that ME were his initials. But I devoured every issue. Even read articles about clocks and 1/4 scale models of fire engines, though they were not steam. It was biweekly (I want to say about 70 pages per issue?) - that was a lot of interest/material for a supposedly rich man's hobby, but you could find the mag in any corner newsagent or bookshop. I bet the Village Press editors would be green to see it. When I wasn't reading the current edition, I was at the town library reading the back issues. Plus steam was still in real operation on the railways, life just didn't get any better. Well, you know ahat I mean.

"For a good read try to get some of the past ME issues from the 50's up to the 80's" - well I can vouch for the 50's and the 60's. Also for the 30's and 40's, I think I read 'em all. Prbably most of the 20's too. Read LBSC "in the original" as it were, though delayed in time. I haven't really read ME since the early seventies, so I can't speak to that. I understood they rolled out a lot of the old LBSC reprints in that time.

Anyhow, the latest copy of ME I have is about 3 years old. It looked OK, but wasn't any better than the concurrent issue of EIM. Or, EIM is that good. I also have the corresponding issue of MEW, and that was very good, in a Professsor Chaddock kind of vein, despite no steam... I'd be interested to see a copy now, to see how it has changed in the last three years. Time for a trip to see the relatives, I guess.

Anyhow, I'm looking forward to getting my first EIM. Many thanks to the guy who posted the web site pointer.

Jed Weare

John Stevenson
02-23-2002, 06:01 AM
Jed, and list.
Thanks for the kind word about the link.
Ironically enought I was down that way on Thursday and called into TEE publishing. It's the first time I have been but I have ordered off them many times before. Nice setout and well laid out. Literally 1,000's of books all on hobby subjects. The steam guys would just love it. All subjects catered for and they have virtually all the past copies of ME and EIM either loose or in bound form. Whilst I was there I bought 4 ME's from 1945 to complete an article I'm interesed in, about $2 each.
Model engineers workshop is a very good read if you are into tools and equpment. Model Engineer seems very empty these days. It makes you wonder why, when in the past it was a weekly publication and was full of stuff. Now it's monthly and they struggle to get content.
The laugh is if you submit an article they tell you they have a two year backlog !!
I did a favour for an Australian guy and in return he signed me up for a years subscription to the Australian Model Engineer.
This is a 2 monthly release magazine, like MEW but it's a real high class publication.
Probably the best one I have seen. Good paper and very clear and fine photo's
Although it called AME it's still basically a steam mag. None of this wimpy 3 1/2" gauge stuff but 7 1/4" and 10 ?" Garrets and the like. They take this very seriously!!
Link to the mage is :-
http://www.ameng.com.au/
Again usual no connection bull***t

Thrud
02-24-2002, 01:54 AM
John,
I think it is the beer and the Barbee! I am surprised the models are not bigger than the real thing. Australia, Canada - all crazy bastards you know. Must be the Beer and the BBQ!

It is times like this I am proud to be a Canadian...

Dave

John Stevenson
02-24-2002, 03:56 AM
Dave,
I used to have a part share in a steam road roller.
I was telling a guy about it one day when he asked what scale it was built to. I replied 12" to the foot but he never got the punch line. Oh well ....................

John S.