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Too_Many_Tools
02-22-2010, 07:21 PM
Both manual and powered...what are the smallest shapers?

Thanks

3t-
02-22-2010, 07:52 PM
I'm going to venture that for a mass produced brand it was the 7 inch.

Bob Farr
02-22-2010, 08:08 PM
Take a look at Tony's site in the shaper section:

http://www.lathes.co.uk/index.html

The Adept, Bradley, and Perfecto hand-powered shapers all seem to fall in the 6" ram stroke range. I have a small Drummond, which has a table that is about 5x6 and a ram stroke of about 6", but its effective cutting stroke is limited to about 4" on the workpiece.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g272/frankenglide/Drummond1-3.jpg

I also have a 6" Ammco, and most small powered shapers seem to start in the 6-8" range.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g272/frankenglide/AMMCOpaint5-3.jpg

The Artful Bodger
02-22-2010, 08:11 PM
My Adept 2 is rather petite, in fact I can even pick it up (including stand and motor) and carry it around.

Michael Edwards
02-22-2010, 08:17 PM
Martin Model has a kit for a 4" shaper.

http://www.martinmodel.com/MMPtools.html

ME

Fasttrack
02-22-2010, 08:20 PM
Out of curosity, do these small shapers get used very much? It seems like they are rather ineffecient in terms of what they can do vs. the size they take up.

That six inch shaper still takes up a pretty good amount of space but it seems like your work envelope is really limited...

I'm not criticizing, I'm just observing/wondering ;) :) You all know I go for the "big-boned" machine tools so I'm a little biased ;)

The Artful Bodger
02-22-2010, 08:23 PM
My little shaper gets a lot of use. Just about anything that will fit in the bench vise can be caressed by even a little shaper.

John Stevenson
02-23-2010, 04:20 AM
Out of curosity, do these small shapers get used very much? It seems like they are rather inefficient in terms of what they can do vs. the size they take up.

That six inch shaper still takes up a pretty good amount of space but it seems like your work envelope is really limited...

I'm not criticizing, I'm just observing/wondering ;) :) You all know I go for the "big-boned" machine tools so I'm a little biased ;)

Dunno but what I want to know is why do the hand shapers fetch more money and be more sort after than the small power shapers, at least over here in the UK ?

Pay extra to do more work ?

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Richard Wilson
02-23-2010, 04:52 AM
Dunno but what I want to know is why do the hand shapers fetch more money and be more sort after than the small power shapers, at least over here in the UK ?

Pay extra to do more work ?

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I've got an Ormerod hand shaper with an 11" stroke which is big for a hand shaper, and it takes up much less workshop space than the equivalent power machine would. Now I only use my workshop as a hobby, I'm not trying to earn a living from it, so it doesn't matter to me that its slow, and can't be left to work on its own while I do something else. To be honest, I find using the hand shaper to be quite relaxing and theraputic, and it does shift a surprising amount of metal. In truth, it doesn't get used a huge amount, but it does get used, and I recently did the bearing housings for a gas (thats gas as understood in the UK) engine bed casting on it, when I couldn't get it to fit under the mill. I wouldn't part with it for a power machine of equivalent capacity. It would be different if my ability to eat depended on it.

Richard

boslab
02-23-2010, 07:16 AM
My little shaper gets a lot of use. Just about anything that will fit in the bench vise can be caressed by even a little shaper.
lol, a true metalbasher, your use of english cracked me up, its almost pornographic, love it machine chocolate, keep it up
caressed with a sledge is my limit
happy Tuesday
mark

oil mac
02-23-2010, 08:08 AM
Possibly amongst the smallest Baby Shapers, is the Adept 3&1/2" stroke hand operated shaper, A friend of mine has one and has had it from brand new, He uses it now and again, and says it is a nice little machine
My smallest shaper is a 6"stroke power driven Adept I use it now and again, It is a handy little machine Have had it for close on 49 years since dad bought me it new

Michael Edwards
02-23-2010, 10:55 AM
If you are really tight on shop space, there is always this...

small shaper (http://www.pmresearchinc.com/store/product.php?productid=3105&cat=6&page=1)

:D

ME

BobWarfield
02-23-2010, 11:08 AM
It'd be fun to have a thread that was world's smallest machine tools of all kinds:

- Tiny shapers

- Tiny drill presses (Dumore and other "sensitive" drill presses)

- Tiny mills

- Tiny lathes

Cheers,

BW

chuckinnc
02-23-2010, 11:18 AM
It weights around 250lbs & says ( R&D labs ) St Paul, minn. Never seen a powered one this small before or found anything out about it. Well make
heavy duty little shaper with no history.

Bguns
02-23-2010, 10:33 PM
Saw a shop built tiny crank shaper..

Colt used it to shape the trigger slots in 1911 frames.

So less than 2 inch stroke...

The Artful Bodger
02-24-2010, 12:02 AM
lol, a true metalbasher, your use of english cracked me up, its almost pornographic, love it machine chocolate, keep it up
caressed with a sledge is my limit
happy Tuesday
mark

He he, yes, 'caressed' is the word for the little Adept! If I try to take off just a little more she turns her lip down and stops dead!

Too_Many_Tools
02-24-2010, 02:38 AM
Thanks for the response so far.

Tony's site is great but it fails to tell you how physically small a shaper is or its weight.

And how about some pictures folks of these shapers you are talking about?

Thanks

The Artful Bodger
02-24-2010, 02:45 AM
Sure! This is my only machine to have been given a name, 'Sally' the Adept 2 power shaper...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2473/3961215213_135135e652_o.gif

The maximum stroke and the head travel is about 120mm.

Doc Nickel
02-24-2010, 04:27 AM
It'd be fun to have a thread that was world's smallest machine tools of all kinds:
- Tiny shapers
- Tiny drill presses (Dumore and other "sensitive" drill presses)
- Tiny mills
- Tiny lathes

-It would be interesting, but we'd need some ground rules. Are we talking models, as per Mike E's link, even though it appears functional? How about the scale replica Bridgeports that one fellow made? They're functional- in that they work and turn and all- but their primary purpose is more to be looked at rather than used.

On the other hand, that same fellow made a tiny vertical mill of his own design, specifically to make the parts for those models. That machine is, in fact, a functional- as in designed to be used- machine tool.

Either way, this page (http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/oldmachines.htm) at the Craftsmanship Museum gives a pretty good sampling of functional miniature- or at least pretty small- tools.

Doc.