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Neil Jones
03-06-2010, 04:52 PM
I'd like to take a look at this manual lathe. I'm on the west coast.

http://www.weiss.com.cn/products/wm280vf.php

MuellerNick
03-06-2010, 05:31 PM
Reading between the lines in ...

"We are one of the few companies who can offer inspections not only when the machine is finished but also during the manufacturing. Our trained inspectors will stay in the factories to make sure that our standards are meet and after years of cooperation with these factories we can rely on their support, as they know they also will finish up with a more marketable product when all the checks are carried out. The inspector's job is to follow the assembly of the machines through the different processes including painting and packing. All this can guarantee that the product will meets our specifications and quality standards before it is shipped to you."

... makes me laugh! But maybe, I do understand the word "can" in a wrong way. But then, that's because I'm German. What makes me even more doubt is, that they have chosen "Weiss" as their name. A German name! I'm pi**ed by their intentional abuse of German quality!

On a different page, they talk about "their" factory. Quite a contradiction to the quote, eh!?


Taken from http://www.weiss.com.cn/brief.htm


Nick

aboard_epsilon
03-06-2010, 05:39 PM
Reading between the lines in ...

"We are one of the few companies who can offer inspections not only when the machine is finished but also during the manufacturing. Our trained inspectors will stay in the factories to make sure that our standards are meet and after years of cooperation with these factories we can rely on their support, as they know they also will finish up with a more marketable product when all the checks are carried out. The inspector's job is to follow the assembly of the machines through the different processes including painting and packing. All this can guarantee that the product will meets our specifications and quality standards before it is shipped to you."

... makes me laugh! But maybe, I do understand the word "can" in a wrong way. But then, that's because I'm German. What makes me even more doubt is, that they have chosen "Weiss" as their name. A German name! I'm pi**ed by their intentional abuse of German quality!

On a different page, they talk about "their" factory. Quite a contradiction to the quote, eh!?


Taken from http://www.weiss.com.cn/brief.htm


Nick

Looks like they have airsmith doing the write-ups for them :)

all the best.markj

Mcgyver
03-06-2010, 05:57 PM
What makes me even more doubt is, that they have chosen "Weiss" as their name. A German name! I'm pi**ed by their intentional abuse of German quality!

you must really hate that big American beer company :D

RB211
03-06-2010, 06:07 PM
Precision Mathews sells those lathes in the USA

aboard_epsilon
03-06-2010, 06:17 PM
We Brits are guilty as well
our Greenalls brewery launched a lager called GRUNHALLE lager
play on words.

all the best.markj

oldtiffie
03-06-2010, 06:19 PM
Good post Nick.

You are wide awake.

I thought those machines looked familiar. They are NOT German-made - just another importer of Chinese-made machines.

I have no problem with that if their QA is is good as it should be.

All of my stuff is Chinese-made and it seems that my dealer has the QA/QC pretty well sorted out as 95%+ is very good. I don't know whether they actually have their own inspectors/assurers on site or whether they buy it from or through some one that does and gets it right. It really doesn't matter to me as I get it in good condition with a warranty that is honoured. I pay, and am quite willing to pay a premium for a better product with a good warranty.

Its entirely up to me to make my own assessments as regards specifications and price. If the supplier meets them any deficiency is my fault - and I accept that too.

Your comment regarding "can" is very valid as it leaves too many loop-holes, where-as "will", "must", "shall" are much stronger and definitive.

It is all too easy to just "suggest" and have an "interested" customer "read-in" what he wants as an "informed party" when he may not be. Many people just simply cannot or will not admit to anyone - let alone themselves - that they do noty or may not "know". They are all too often "easy marks" (victims) of their own making.

There is nothing wrong with a bit of disengenuity or "bending of the truth" etc. in advertising provided that no rules are broken and the supplier can reasonably say or assume that in the sphere of specialised "stuff" that the customer is capable of and has made an informed decision. The "fitness for purpose" is fair in the zone and role of the buyer in that case.

There are a whole different set of "Consumer Protection" legislation etc. in regard to "domestic/retail" purchases (lots) than there are for commercial/industrial (considerably less > very few).

I bought my German-made "Proxxon" die-grinder and milling head as well as my "Metabo" and "Bosch" drills and grinders as well as my USA-made "Bosch" mitre saw. All are top quality "industrial" grade tools that are not only very expensive but are very popular with shops that need "grunt", reliability, accuracy and have "next day" (most times) spares and warranty. I had much the same result when I had AEG stuff.

I bought them because there was nothing better for my purposes.

Most other times, good "Chinese" stuff will do all all that I want other than my 240A MIG welder and my 3/8" (1/2" at a stretch) plasma cutter - both of which are very good Italian machines.

But back to Nicks' comment.

I notice that the web site does NOT say or claim that the machines are of the German or European quality that we'd expect from there.

Its far too easy to "read things into" an advertisement that is simply not there.

aboard_epsilon
03-06-2010, 06:34 PM
Hey... the Germans have some failures

how about these.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B0006D3PNA/ref=dp_db_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

all the best.markj

oldtiffie
03-06-2010, 06:58 PM
Thanks for that good example Mark. I am surprised that Bosch didn't pick it up either prior to or during production.

There are two separate ranges of Bosch tools:

green for "cost-conscious/Home/domestic/DIY" use:
http://www.bosch-do-it.com.au/diy/

and blue for the more "rugged" - and expensive - "Industrial" use:
http://www.bosch-pt.com.au/professional/

So I guess that "it depends" as regards use and quality/cost. I'd expect the industrial stuff to be a lot more robust (and expensive) than the lower cost "home use" item.

But is seems that Bosch were pretty good as regards the warranty/replacement issue.

aboard_epsilon
03-06-2010, 07:12 PM
That drill was the diy range one..but had in my opinion a pro price tag. ..sold for more than 140

how do i know about its failings ?

I just picked up a working example from car boot sale for 1

and as i was looking for info.....those results came up

The drill is in very good condition is 24 volts ..and has two very good batts with it ..

strangely enough my 9.6 volt makita that Ive had for more than 15 years (batts are that age too) seems more powerful than it.

the Bosch seems to have a 1.- 5 torque limiting feature .but it also limits it , even when its not on dialled-in to limiting feature :confused: ..so you never see the full power ..most odd...
altogether .its clumsy.. awkward to use .heavy..and generally not up to the job.......id be well peeved if i paid 140 for it .

All the best.markj

uncle pete
03-06-2010, 09:04 PM
I bought that lathe from a dealer in Quebec, JasonB over on HSEM also owns one bought from Warco in the U.K. I know of one other person that will be buying one in the next few months. I also own a Seig C-6 and I will say it's 10 times the lathe that the C-6 is. There is or was a dealer in California.

Pete

MuellerNick
03-07-2010, 03:22 AM
you must really hate that big American beer company

Not at all. I even don't know it. But "Weiss" (= White) is a German name. I don't think that this implies superiority, no racial thinking here!
But for me, it's abvious that they want to pretend something here. They could have chosen "White" or "Leblond" with the same effect.


Nick

MuellerNick
03-07-2010, 03:28 AM
Hey... the Germans have some failures

I really don't like Bosch-tools. Makita, Fein, Festool are better options.


Nick

gda
03-07-2010, 08:13 AM
Weiss is also a German manufacturer of automation raceways and indexers. I would think that they would be the ones the most upset.

http://www.weissna.com/

Neil Jones
03-07-2010, 11:29 AM
I bought that lathe from a dealer in Quebec, JasonB over on HSEM also owns one bought from Warco in the U.K. I know of one other person that will be buying one in the next few months. I also own a Seig C-6 and I will say it's 10 times the lathe that the C-6 is. There is or was a dealer in California.

Pete

Thanks for the comments, Pete. I'll try on Monday to find out who the dealer in SoCal is.

Neil Jones
03-07-2010, 11:41 AM
Reading between the lines in ...

"We are one of the few companies who can offer inspections not only when the machine is finished but also during the manufacturing. Our trained inspectors will stay in the factories to make sure that our standards are meet and after years of cooperation with these factories we can rely on their support, as they know they also will finish up with a more marketable product when all the checks are carried out. The inspector's job is to follow the assembly of the machines through the different processes including painting and packing. All this can guarantee that the product will meets our specifications and quality standards before it is shipped to you."

... makes me laugh! But maybe, I do understand the word "can" in a wrong way. But then, that's because I'm German. What makes me even more doubt is, that they have chosen "Weiss" as their name. A German name! I'm pi**ed by their intentional abuse of German quality!

On a different page, they talk about "their" factory. Quite a contradiction to the quote, eh!?


Taken from http://www.weiss.com.cn/brief.htm


Nick


Unfortunately this is the way it is and is going to stay in the U.S.

I've got better things to spend my time on then to try and fight a battle that's already been lost because of bad decisions the US government has made and continues to make.

The small lathe and small manual mill market is just one of the many markets that's been almost totally abandoned so it's not like I have a choice on buying a US made product.

If I'm going to be forced into buying Chinese crap I figure I might as well find the best Chinese crap available. If it helps the Chinese to make better crap by stealing a German name so they make and associate themselves with better quality so be it.

Circlip
03-07-2010, 12:02 PM
Now that Emco (No NOT Enco)have gone computorised for the "Training" market I was under the impression that Weiss was the domestic arm of the organisation and successors to the MaxiMat range. They're all made in China now anyway and the various factories have "Seen" each others designs so it's a case of picking the best QC items.

Regards Ian.

Ouch, I'm thinking of Wabeco

uncle pete
03-07-2010, 12:58 PM
Neil,
www.weissmachinetool.com/ It will come up, If you buy one let me know what you think. Due to my weight/size limitations for my shop, This is the lathe I decided on, As it was the smallest and lightest weight lathe I could find with power cross feed and a seperate feed rod for both directions. Standard tailstock taper is MT2, I special ordered mine with MT3. It took just over 3 months for delivery from Nanjing China to Quebec. If required, The rear mounted milling head is pretty good too, Also avalible in R-8 taper.

Pete

Pherdie
03-07-2010, 10:17 PM
Bosch is now owned by Skil. No further comment necessary other than the demise of another quality tool name.

oldtiffie
03-07-2010, 10:43 PM
I couldn't find any reference to Bosch being sold to anyone in the Wikipedia item:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOSCH#History

http://www.bosch.com/content/language2/html/2153.htm

http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&source=hp&q=bosch+ownership&meta=&aq=1&oq=bosch+own&fp=2de49ba9ead933c3

http://www.bosch.com.au/content/language1/html/955.htm

http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&q=skil+tools&meta=&aq=f&oq=skil+tools&fp=2de49ba9ead933c3

Neil Jones
03-07-2010, 11:20 PM
If you buy one let me know what you think.

Pete

Will do.

Goal is to examine one in person ASAP.

aboard_epsilon
03-08-2010, 06:18 AM
I couldn't find any reference to Bosch being sold to anyone in the Wikipedia item:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOSCH#History

http://www.bosch.com/content/language2/html/2153.htm

http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&source=hp&q=bosch+ownership&meta=&aq=1&oq=bosch+own&fp=2de49ba9ead933c3

http://www.bosch.com.au/content/language1/html/955.htm

http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&q=skil+tools&meta=&aq=f&oq=skil+tools&fp=2de49ba9ead933c3

think its the other way around, bosch own skil

http://www.skil.com/

just look lower down and it says robert bosch

oldtiffie
03-08-2010, 06:29 AM
Thanks Mark.

I knew that but was responding to:


Bosch is now owned by Skil. No further comment necessary other than the demise of another quality tool name.

The Skil site is very vague to the point of being evasive about who owns it - but here it is:
http://www.skiltools.com/en/AboutUs/

interiorpainter
03-08-2010, 07:17 AM
How much to you want to spent extra to be sure of quality.
Take a look at this one in the Netherlands.
Shipping will kill you:D

http://www.buitelaar.nl/comasy/templates/product.aspx?contentid=237&productid=2404

ALWAYS in stock cash and carry. Looked nice and felt right the last time i was there.

Spin Doctor
03-08-2010, 09:03 AM
Looks the same as Matt's

http://www.machinetoolonline.com/PM-1127-VF.html