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  • nheng
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2002
    • 2708

    Poly V pulley photo rendered with new Alibre ...

    This was a simple first shot at a poly v pulley design. Alibre will now supply Keyshot in place of Hypershot as the photo renderer in the pro version. Not clear yet on the limitations but the prior supplier (Bumpspeed) used a digital camera pricing model. The more pixels in the output image, the higher the price tag. If you're making poster sized product images for the board room or publication, you will pay accordingly.

    These were rendered with gold and with some blue gem stone as the materials. Of course you can use cast iron or aluminum if concerned with strength or weight

    To me this is a good reason to upgrade as Keyshot is not all that cheap on its own. Of course, if you don't need photo rendered output you don't need to upgrade but it's still pretty cool.

    No connection with Alibre other than as a frequently happy, occasionally frustrated user Den

    updated - better sizes

    Last edited by nheng; 03-07-2010, 08:33 PM.
  • S_J_H
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2006
    • 1182

    #2
    I'm pretty new to 3d cad and I'm currently learning with Solidworks, but your renderings look great to me.

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    • nheng
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2002
      • 2708

      #3
      Images sizes have been updated.

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      • Evan
        Senior Member
        • May 2003
        • 41977

        #4
        I thought I would give a comparison using a freeware solution. This is a planetary gearbox I am working on. I didn't use high precision for the circles so they appear to have flats. That is because the true involute teeth use mega amounts of polygons. This is an example from SketchUp using the PovRay plugin.



        Free software for calculating bolt circles and similar: Click Here

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        • EddyCurr
          Senior Member
          • May 2009
          • 3471

          #5
          Originally posted by nheng
          These were rendered with gold and with some blue gem stone as the
          materials. Of course you can use cast iron or aluminum if concerned
          with strength or weight

          I am thinking that there would be a fair amount of interest from the
          TFTF segment in versions made of Blue Gemstone. Especially if you
          can mount a light behind.

          Booking booths at SPOCOM, PRI & SEMA might be in order.

          Nice illustration.

          .

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          • EddyCurr
            Senior Member
            • May 2009
            • 3471

            #6
            Originally posted by Evan
            I thought I would give a comparison using a freeware solution.
            This is an example from SketchUp using the PovRay plugin.

            Your posts in AutoCAD or Solidworks Training first brought
            SketchUp to my attention.

            It looks like a very accessible & useful tool for visioneering.

            .
            Last edited by EddyCurr; 03-08-2010, 04:29 PM.

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            • Evan
              Senior Member
              • May 2003
              • 41977

              #7
              PovRay is an open source ray tracing program that has been around since the dawn of the PC. I first used it in the 80's on my Amiga. It is the granddaddy of all the other PC ray tracing programs because the source code has always been available for inspection and the help system is second to none. What puts people off PovRay is that it has no graphical interface. All image generation done directly in PovRay is done in the edit console using a programming language designed specifically for the purpose.

              Now that the SU>POV plugin is available there is finally an effective and relatively easy to use interface to PovRay that take a lot of the pain out of using it.

              I changed a few lighting parameters in SketchUp and re rendered the gearbox in PovRay.

              Free software for calculating bolt circles and similar: Click Here

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              • BobWarfield
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2005
                • 1644

                #8
                Love the Keyshot renderings!

                I have been wondering about getting a better renderer for Rhino3D. It cries for it as the one that comes with is pretty weak. More like Evan's freeware renderer, so I don't use it much.

                So, I do a search and discover Keyshot is available for Rhino. Only (drumroll please), $995.

                Wow! That's a lot of dough to render my pulleys in gemstone materials.

                Guess I'll stick with what I got.

                Best,

                BW
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                • EddyCurr
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2009
                  • 3471

                  #9
                  Originally posted by BobWarfield
                  I have been wondering about getting a better renderer for Rhino3D.
                  It cries for it as the one that comes with is pretty weak.

                  So, I do a search and discover Keyshot is available for Rhino. Only
                  (drumroll please), $995.

                  Wow! That's a lot of dough to render my pulleys in gemstone materials.
                  I notice that McNeel's Brazil Rendering engine for Rhino is $895.

                  .

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                  • japcas
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 1149

                    #10
                    I think the sketches above look great, but am I the only one that thinks the highly reflective finishes make it hard to see the detail? I know it's as simple
                    as clicking a few buttons to change the color of the parts but the shadows and reflectiveness almost go overboard when trying to make the parts look more photographic instead of drawn.
                    Jonathan P.

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                    • Ken_Shea
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 2591

                      #11
                      Downloaded the trial version, looked for pricing by selecting "BUY IT NOW", but that seemed to mean nothing, still no prices.

                      When I did find pricing, it was indeed $995, tooooo much in my book just for a pretty face.

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                      • nheng
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2002
                        • 2708

                        #12
                        Guys, The nice thing about Alibre's offering is that it is now standard on their pro level for $499 (total). I upgraded to pro to get it and just received the license key. A linkage to Rhino is supposed to be free. Not sure how you get a $999 package included like this but it's only software, right

                        Japcas, You can control just about any aspect of the render as you surmise. I used gold and clear gem as they were just cool to start with You can select from many other materials and finishes as a start point.

                        This is from the Alibre forums and is somewhat hard to distinguish from a prototype cleaned up for a photo session: (note that this is from Hypershot, the predecessor to Keyshot, same base technology, now from Luxion who is the creator)



                        Once you get the lighting, materials and finishes about right, it starts to come together. Add a realistic surrounding and you're there. If you're interested check out the Audi, ring and watch at the Keyshot site.

                        Evan, It's nice to see the SU option. I've considered that but Alibre was a pretty close match for my SolidEdge exposure at work. My daughter has promised to make me a few SU models on her break this week. I want to see how you drop 2D out of that too.

                        Den
                        Last edited by nheng; 03-08-2010, 08:37 PM.

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                        • lazlo
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2006
                          • 15631

                          #13
                          Originally posted by nheng
                          This is from the Alibre forums and is somewhat hard to distinguish from a prototype cleaned up for a photo session: (note that this is from Hypershot, the predecessor to Keyshot, same base technology, now from Luxion who is the creator)

                          http://www.alibre.info/uploads/Service800x600.png
                          Wow, that's incredible!
                          "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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                          • J Tiers
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 44397

                            #14
                            As one who is just starting with Alibre, I have NO IDEA which version, because they seem to be all the same but different depending on which deal you bought........ my deal was $200, but by the time they bothered to ship it to me (I got the disc), they were offering it at $100 again, just like the week BEFORE I got it.................


                            Anyway, I am getting the picture that extracting renderings is going to cost lots more money.

                            I ASSUME that an ordinary 3D view can be got out of it with tools which are in the package...... yes? I have already discovered that I will have to buy the book in order to get any serious use out of the package....... more $$
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                            • nheng
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2002
                              • 2708

                              #15
                              JT, You have a PM but I just realized that your original question went unanswered. With any version you will have 3D solid views available with as wireframe, solid, solid with edge highlights and solid with hidden lines visible. You can't control light but you can control reflections and your workspace background. It will give a nice view but not photo-realistic. Den

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