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HAP
04-14-2010, 09:14 PM
Here is my attempt to control the slivers and chips...
I also have 6 gallon shop vac hidden in the mill base. It barely fit:) .

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac106/HAPSHOP/DSCN4598.jpg

KiddZimaHater
04-14-2010, 09:19 PM
HAHAHAHA ...BRILLIANT!!
You stole my idea!
I have a shower curtain hanging to the left of my mill to protect the washer/dryer, and keep the wifey off my back.

BobWarfield
04-14-2010, 09:58 PM
A couple thoughts...

First, small curtains work too. Saw a pick of a guy who tore up a ziploc bag and put it on the spindle for a 4th axis job. Wished I had a link, but you get the idea.

Second, looks like you got floors that are not too crowded. I know a guy who uses one of those "Rhumba" robot vacuums to clean his shop floor every night. Works really nicely!

Cheers,

BW

HAP
04-14-2010, 10:04 PM
The robot vacuum is a great idea! I have a 40x60 shop; it might take it while:rolleyes: .

Black_Moons
04-14-2010, 10:04 PM
Second, looks like you got floors that are not too crowded. I know a guy who uses one of those "Rhumba" robot vacuums to clean his shop floor every night. Works really nicely!

Cheers,

BW

We have the technology.. we can.. rebuild it.. make it.. better.. stronger.. faster... Electric/hydrolic chip crunchers...

miker
04-14-2010, 11:30 PM
Nicely done!

HAP, do you have any photos/description of how you mounted the Z Quill Scale on that Mill?

I have a similar unit and am still trying to decide the best/easiest way to mount the Scale/Readout.

Rgds

The Artful Bodger
04-14-2010, 11:38 PM
We have a little dog that keeps the kitchen floor clear of crumbs etc but she has proved useless at cleaning up workshop chips.

BadDog
04-15-2010, 02:39 AM
I took a couple of old steel electronic housing (shaped like [_____] ) and added plates to clamp to the ends of my table. Then mounted a piece of neoprene (way cover basically) between the back edges. Forms an enclosure kinda like a CNC, but without a top so that the mill head can get in. Then I have a ball-socket arm with plexy shield on the front that I put in the primary chip path coming forward (or between me and the cutter depending). Works quite well. Before I installed the arrangement in desperation, I thought about a full curtain, but never got that far.

Davo J
04-15-2010, 03:00 AM
Nice job.
I saw a fellow a while back with 2 arms off each side of the mill with shower curtain on them as well.
I think it would contain more chips if it went right down to the floor though.

Dave
PS
Do you get the urge to sing in there.:D

The Artful Bodger
04-15-2010, 05:01 AM
I think it is generally a bad policy to have loose fabric of any kind near rotating machinery as if it gets tangled there will be stuff flying everwhere and there is even a risk of an operator getting entagled.

oldtiffie
04-15-2010, 07:50 AM
Not a problem - have a "turn-up" or a "cuff" on the bottom of the curtain and insert some lead, sand, bits of steel. washers etc. etc. as a weighted "hold-down".

Just a bit of time on a sewing machine - and there you are!!

"Hospital" type over-head rails or runners are ideal for the curtains.

Weston Bye
04-15-2010, 10:05 AM
We have a little dog that keeps the kitchen floor clear of crumbs etc but she has proved useless at cleaning up workshop chips.

Change over to bacon grease for your cutting oil.:D

lazlo
04-16-2010, 09:00 AM
Second, looks like you got floors that are not too crowded. I know a guy who uses one of those "Rhumba" robot vacuums to clean his shop floor every night.

I have a Roomaba -- the underside is all plastic and it has a long, soft rubber roller. Steel swarf would tear that up very quickly, and if you use cutting oil, forgetaboutit.

HAP: I love your idea! I need to build something like that, or Lane/Bill's shower curtain. I've been doing a lot of facemilling with 3" cutters, and that sends a spray of swarf all over the shop. I spend more time cleaning up than I do getting work done.

Too_Many_Tools
04-16-2010, 12:48 PM
How about some pictures of installations guys?

Also what is the best material to use for the curtains?

TMT

danlb
04-18-2010, 02:12 PM
My concern was the swarf from my lathe getting into the storage shelves behind it.

I mounted a pull down window shade at the top of the shelf. If I'm turning something I just pull down the shade. The thin plastic stops the swarf and catches the oil splatters. It does not keep swarf off of me, but I'm pretty much wash and wear, so that's OK.


Dan

clutch
04-18-2010, 05:43 PM
My concern was the swarf from my lathe getting into the storage shelves behind it.

I mounted a pull down window shade at the top of the shelf. If I'm turning something I just pull down the shade. The thin plastic stops the swarf and catches the oil splatters. It does not keep swarf off of me, but I'm pretty much wash and wear, so that's OK.


Dan

I did that with the shelving behind my bridgeport. Great minds think alike :D

Clutch

woodey
04-18-2010, 05:59 PM
I like it, going to have to get me one:D

BobWarfield
04-18-2010, 09:46 PM
I have a Roomaba -- the underside is all plastic and it has a long, soft rubber roller. Steel swarf would tear that up very quickly, and if you use cutting oil, forgetaboutit.

HAP: I love your idea! I need to build something like that, or Lane/Bill's shower curtain. I've been doing a lot of facemilling with 3" cutters, and that sends a spray of swarf all over the shop. I spend more time cleaning up than I do getting work done.

He has had no problems. Runs a Bridgeport, a Fadal VMC, a couple lathes, surface grinder, you name it. Works great.

Cheers,

BW

kyfho
04-19-2010, 12:42 AM
Ever have problems with hot chips melting thru the curtain? I know I'm none too happy when they try to embed in me.:mad:

danlb
04-19-2010, 08:54 PM
Ever have problems with hot chips melting thru the curtain? I know I'm none too happy when they try to embed in me.:mad:

Never been a problem for me. If they hit and stick, they stay there. If the bounce, they are contained. I've never had one penetrate.


Dan

gwilson
04-19-2010, 11:21 PM
I never make swarf curtains. Too much trouble trying to sew all those little chips together. Chain mail,maybe..:)

BadDog
04-20-2010, 02:57 AM
Went and took a pic of my "chip control system". I didn't clean up after the last job, so as you can see, it works pretty well (I did push them aside, but haven't yet cleaned). There is also a clear front shield on ball sockets so I can put it where ever needed depending on the cut and where it will do the most good.

http://img4.pixa.us/e68/18809966_th.jpg (http://baddog.pixa.us/images/18809966/)
Click for larger. Then click that image for full size.

TriHonu
05-02-2010, 01:15 AM
You guys inspired me to make some chip control for my mill. I gathered up a couple clamp lights at the local second-hand store for $8, some EPDM roofing membrane, 2 clevis pins and some aluminum extrusions from my scrap pile.

http://home.comcast.net/~TriHonu/Curtain_1.jpg

A couple hours later... my combination light bar, swarf curtain, tool holder. $15 in materials. My tired eyes and my shop walls thank you.

http://home.comcast.net/~TriHonu/Curtain_2.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~TriHonu/Curtain_3.jpg

Hinges are just ears made by cutting away 2 sides of the tube.

http://home.comcast.net/~TriHonu/Curtain_4.jpg

The curtains folded back out of the way. My mill now thinks he is Batman!

.

Boucher
02-13-2012, 11:16 PM
Sometimes this works:

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n50/boucherbyron/IMG_0054.jpg

Sometimes it doesn’t:

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n50/boucherbyron/IMG_0055.jpg

It teaches you to pay attention to which direction to go around the part to throw the swarf toward the vacuum intake.

lane
02-14-2012, 08:37 PM
Mine is like this . made from black vinyl are Naugahyde.
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/lane5263/power%20feeds%20on%20mill/PowerfeedsonBirmingham003.jpg

sid pileski
02-14-2012, 09:20 PM
Here are a couple of pictures of the set up I made.
Did an article for it in Home Shop mag July/August 2011

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/sids32/VAC%20ARM/Picture002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/sids32/VAC%20ARM/Picture003.jpg

Mr Fixit
02-15-2012, 12:08 AM
Hap, Great idea thanks for the picture it helps explain it well. OT kind of, are those wheels on the base of the tool or just levelers that have round pieces to them? Just curious, as too how do they keep the machine stationary if they are wheels?
TX Mr Fixit :)
Chris

dian
02-15-2012, 05:01 AM
this is my solution.

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae218/romandian/mkbohrer005.jpg

Black Forest
02-15-2012, 06:22 AM
Dian, What about a picture of the top of the curtain?

dian
02-15-2012, 07:44 AM
sorry, i cant as they are not on the mill right now. but there is no "top", its held in place by the magnets. its basically four parts and the front comes off easyly. for small jobs i use a settup like this:

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae218/romandian/x008.jpg

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae218/romandian/x011.jpg

John Stevenson
02-15-2012, 08:51 AM
Problem I can see with Trihonu and Lanes set-up's is they are too low.
I have been experimenting with opened up cardboard boxes to see the best place to put these and all my chippings are going well over the top of where their guards are.

A lot of my work is on ally with high helix cutters that they lift and throw in a big arc.

I am seriously toying with the idea of a circular rail as in the fist pic and using the heavy plastic fork truck strip curtains, basically motor hight to floor.

gundog
02-16-2012, 01:07 PM
Problem I can see with Trihonu and Lanes set-up's is they are too low.
I have been experimenting with opened up cardboard boxes to see the best place to put these and all my chippings are going well over the top of where their guards are.

A lot of my work is on ally with high helix cutters that they lift and throw in a big arc.

I am seriously toying with the idea of a circular rail as in the fist pic and using the heavy plastic fork truck strip curtains, basically motor hight to floor.

I made a post on this subject a few days ago and was hoping for more response with some ideas thrown out here is that post link. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=52468

My CNC router table has excellent chip control and it seems I could learn something from that design to apply towards my bed mill. The router table has a dust foot attached to a 3 HP cyclone dust collector. The dust foot surrounds the cutting tool and is open around the spindle to draw air in. The bottom of the dust boot has a brush to help seal around the material. This system gets 99% of swarf.

One thing that keeps me from using this system on the mill is the use of coolant. The use of coolant would ruin my router table system. I have been thinking about trying to make a similar dust foot for the mill and using a wet & dry shop vacuum. I would use the shop vacuum as a donator of parts. I would like to use a quarter drum as the body for the vacuum system with a sump area in the bottom for the coolant that is gathered with the chips to drain into. The idea here would be to pump or drain that coolant back to the machines coolant reservoir. I would build a removable basket that would allow dumping the swarf.

I could also possibly use the existing dust collector for the suction of this quarter drum system isolating the swarf catch from the dust collector this idea needs more thought.

It seems to me most VMC machines use an enclosed cabinet to catch the coolant and swarf that is possible with my machine but because it can and I do run it manually the encloser would be in the way. The size would also hamper my limited space.

A thought that occurred to me was to make a small halo that would be adjustable about 6"-8" in diameter. It seems the further away the chip deflector is the higher and bigger it needs to be. I was envisioning a round encloser or possibly a square encloser. If I used a square encloser it could have the plastic sheet on rolls at the top 4 of them then the length could be adjusted and cut off as it wore.

This last method is what I am leaning towards as a test it will have no swarf collection but I am hoping it will contain most of the mess and keep the coolant on the table which will drain back to the machine sump.

What do you think about my rambling?