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Black_Moons
05-09-2010, 02:59 AM
We have a ton of tips and tricks that we type out on a day to day basis on verious subjects, but never really record down as the search function on this forum is the pitts, and nothing is really orginized well.

Any chance of the hosts of this forum maybe opening a wiki for us to expairment with? Adding some of the common questions/awnsers to it, like:

What oil/grease do I want for:
Lathe headstocks, gearboxes, ways, cosmetic exposed metal surfaces (Like the body of a chuck)

'My lathe is turning a taper! my headstock must be misaligned!'

'3 Phase motors Verus 1 Phase, VFD's are your friend, Chinese start/run capacitors are not'

'How do I fix a chuck'
etc.
Most of these could just be roughly copy/pasted from our posts here and touched up as needed.

uncle pete
05-09-2010, 03:17 AM
Black moons,
I'd agree, In fact I mentioned this in one of my posts a few days ago and got no response. I think it would be an excellent area for anyone having questions about items that are asked about a lot. While I do agree about the point of too many seperate forums, An area for answers to comman questions should be a no brainer IMO. It should be titled as "Ya can't break the laws of physics" Because far too many new guy's try to do it all the time.

Pete

Black_Moons
05-09-2010, 03:19 AM
Yea thats why I said more of a wiki then a forum, where we could just post awnsers in a catagorised fasond, and edit out our typical 5 page rambleing about if xyz can really mill microns or not.

uncle pete
05-09-2010, 03:41 AM
I dunno about your xyz but mine will do sub microns. :-)

I think we need two people like Evan and John Stevenson to police an area like that so the crap stays out and the good stays in. Maybe? there is a board software issue with doing this. George Bulless should give his thoughts about it.

Pete

Black_Moons
05-09-2010, 05:11 AM
Nah, we'll battle it out, mono a mono here in the forums, and whoever is left standing when the page count hits 100 is declared correct, just as we have allways done, and gets added to the wiki.
J/k, But really.. come on fokes :)

Mcgyver
05-09-2010, 08:52 AM
you are proposing the current free for all (which i largely like) to more a traditional publishing approach where at the end there's a product.

nice, but who's going to take on the role of editor, arbitrator, fact checker etc. Read through these posts here, you've got guys with almost zero experience dispensing advise with the same authority as the 30 year veteran....someone with enough knowledge would have to constantly pick who was correct and censor others.

None of this comes without a lot of politics or new problems. Say the final arbitrator is some poser who doesn't know much but volunteered for the thankless job? QC would only be there if the most knowledgeable were committed to run it, and that sounds like a messy full time job...who would take it?

Then there's granularity. A (partial) reason a post goes on for 5 pages is that most subjects can be covered in increasing levels of detail. Take a look at technical or medical publishing to see just how volumes can be written on extremely narrow fields. as happens, you're going to have un-sophisticates who view increasing detail as a discussion of angels dancing on pin heads and others who are thankful for the detail insight of domain experts - good luck ruling what level's right for a Wiki.

I think we have close to what you want, just needs one to apply search and filtering

oldtiffie
05-09-2010, 09:20 AM
I agree with McGyver.

That is one huge and thankless task.

It almost invites a tree structure that emulates the Dewey classification system in a library.

It is almost like a large organisations file and catalogue systems - and I've seen them both "revised"/"re-built" and started from scratch. The task and rules are a real PITA.

I like the "General" forum as it is. For all practical purposes the "other" (than "General") forums pretty well don't exist and get relatively little use by me anyway - but they do have an important place and function never-the-less.

I get over most problems by my own structured "book-mark"/"favourites" menu structure. I can find most stuff - both threads and posts as well as "links" to all/other "stuff".

Providing that its not over-done, a request for a link will soon have some one here posting it for you.

Using any thread title and assuming that that is all that is covered in that thread is being a bit optimistic at best.

I suspect that a lot of requests for links etc. are due to people "losing" their "bookmark"/"favourite" files and having to re-build them. It would help if they saved those files as "back-ups" for "restoration" as and if required. Mine are saved weekly.

Unless there are compelling reasons other-wise, I 'd go for leaving things as they are as I'm used to it and it does - or seems to do - the job well enough "as is".

John Stevenson
05-09-2010, 09:33 AM
I dunno about your xyz but mine will do sub microns. :-)

I think we need two people like Evan and John Stevenson to police an area like that so the crap stays out and the good stays in.
Pete

Count me out.

Since I discovered Evan on this forum I have thrown all my text books and encyclopaedia's away as not being needed.

Evan
05-09-2010, 09:50 AM
I can host it. I'll make John the moderator if he likes.

lazlo
05-09-2010, 09:53 AM
Nah, we'll battle it out, mono a mono here in the forums, and whoever is left standing when the page count hits 100 is declared correct

Wow, that's an amazingly profound synopsis of this site :)

Although, I would add that most people don't read those threads after the 3rd page. So no one is declared correct, but some participants are bound and determined to have the last post, in the misguided belief that they'll be perceived as correct.

Evan
05-09-2010, 10:04 AM
It's all set up. I won't interfere. Do you want it John?

oldtiffie
05-09-2010, 10:08 AM
God help us.

Sir John (of the nobility) ordained and invested (by Evan) as a "Moderator" (with "Holy Orders") with Evan as his Clerk (and Altar Boy??).

Will we be called to order or Vespers?

Will we now have the "Sir John Stevenson" version of the "Good Book"? - the "King James" version is in need of a re-vamp anyway - and who else better qualified or more able than John and Evan to do it.

I have a lectern (eagle and all) in my shop just waiting for it.

Will Evan continue to read the "Lessons"?

tyrone shewlaces
05-09-2010, 11:02 AM
Evan and John in charge...
If that works out, there's the proof that cold fusion is possible on earth. hehe.:D

dp
05-09-2010, 01:01 PM
Just what we need here is a bunch of new Wiki links filling the posts :)

I hosted a wiki for years that was wide open. Anyone could post or modify posts. It was called "The Word Wright" after my business name when I was a full time writer. The draw was to have a place where anyone with visions of authorship could post for the world to see and to comment on, and in true Wiki fashion, modify.

It was a war zone.

Evan
05-09-2010, 01:07 PM
I am quite serious as I really have set up a wiki. To preserve the Intellectual property rights of Village Press and to make administration very simple the wiki will have one simple rule for the moderator and posters to follow. This is the extent of my interference as the owner of the site. All pages added to the site will point to a post on the HSM forum and will not contain new content. The job of the moderator will be to verify, according to his standards, that the post linked to is worthwhile of inclusion in the wiki.

I have no interest in moderating it. If John wants it he is welcome. If he doesn't PM me if you are interested and I will build a list for members to choose from.

The wiki is here:

http://ixian.ca/wiki

It is partially disabled and if any edits are made before a moderator is chosen they will be discarded.

dp
05-09-2010, 01:42 PM
Or how about a live chat page?

http://metalworkingathome.com/chat/

Edit: No registration needed - just enter a name, leave the password blank.

Black_Moons
05-09-2010, 02:19 PM
All pages added to the site will point to a post on the HSM forum and will not contain new content. The job of the moderator will be to verify, according to his standards, that the post linked to is worthwhile of inclusion in the wiki.
The wiki is here:

http://ixian.ca/wiki


Er, just trying to understand this here, but we submit links to the wiki and then what?
Does the moderator add the (distilled?) content of the link if accepted or does the link just stay there?

dp
05-09-2010, 02:48 PM
I think it's not fully functional yet.

Evan
05-09-2010, 03:02 PM
It is partially disabled. The idea as I understand it is to make it easier to find the good stuff on this site. A wiki that is easily searchable with key words in each post and only relevant content would make it a lot easier. No off topic junk to wade through and confuse the search engine.

You asked for it. If nobody wants to do it I can take it down as fast as it went up.

dp
05-09-2010, 03:20 PM
It is partially disabled. The idea as I understand it is to make it easier to find the good stuff on this site. A wiki that is easily searchable with key words in each post and only relevant content would make it a lot easier. No off topic junk to wade through and confuse the search engine.

You asked for it. If nobody wants to do it I can take it down as fast as it went up.

That's a nice Wiki package. I've used PHPWiki for 10 years and have always preferred it for it's simple markup language. MediaWiki is a bit more ponderous as is Confluence, but the new MSFT Sharepoint wiki takes the cake for a waste of disk space.

I tried to create a sandbox page and it failed - it may have created the page but if so then there's what looks like a default redirect to the home page.

John Stevenson
05-09-2010, 03:40 PM
Thanks for the offer Evan but I hate Wiki's.

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oldtiffie
05-09-2010, 07:33 PM
Resurrect (the) "Sock Puppet" John or is it/he/she? beyond your "Lazarus" talents?

Your Old Dog
05-09-2010, 08:46 PM
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Sir John (of the nobility) ordained and invested (by Evan) as a "Moderator" (with "Holy Orders") with Evan as his Clerk (and Altar Boy??). .............................



Good oneTif !! Evan, don't use his ears as handles :D

I much prefer the forum to be Active. Go to a Wiki style and it will be Passive. Not all your questions and answers sink in the first time I go through them. Someone bringing them up again tends to rein-enforce the lessons for me. I don't think there is much you could put in such a wiki form that isn't available in books presently on the book stands.

edited to add: Not only that but sometimes new information surfaces from a stray or passing member.

oldtiffie
05-09-2010, 09:01 PM
Thanks Y O D:

They should be a good double - but I wonder who will be the "boy soprano" (and who the bass) - in any combined choral items.

"Hark the Herald Angels Sing" etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hark!_The_Herald_Angels_Sing

Perhaps they could "take turns" - using their "love handles" - including wearing this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/Femaleeunuch.gif

from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_eunuch

Jon, Evan and Germaine Greer - what a treble!!!