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Liger Zero
05-23-2010, 07:11 PM
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I am writing this from the lounge at the SEPS Division building... I am being sent home because I had a Life Threatening Reaction to a vaccene, and there may be kidney damage. Will know more when I get home later this week/maybe next week.

Not the outcome I expected, but hey... at least I tried. I'll let you all know when I get back and start machining again.

Tony Ennis
05-23-2010, 07:13 PM
Healing mojo!

Liger Zero
05-23-2010, 07:19 PM
Healing mojo!

Bah. I'll be fine. I understand it's dead nuts simple to build a blood filter I saw 'em do it on MASH using spare parts.... :D

I "appear" to be fine at the moment but I need further testing, heck I haven't been out of the hospital very long... about two hours or so. :o

Of all the possible outcomes this is not the one I expected. :rolleyes:

ahidley
05-23-2010, 10:02 PM
what was the shot for?

andy_b
05-23-2010, 10:52 PM
LZ,

You should write a book of all your "adventures".

Here's hoping you have a speedy, and full, recovery.

andy b.

TGTool
05-24-2010, 12:35 AM
Liger,

Wishing you well with no long term problems.

wierdscience
05-24-2010, 12:54 AM
Get well soon,we are still waiting to see those Lego knockoffs,I found you a source for these little gold Made in China stickers;)

Liger Zero
05-26-2010, 08:20 PM
LZ,

You should write a book of all your "adventures".

Here's hoping you have a speedy, and full, recovery.

andy b.


:D We were just discussing this on the plane-ride home. Even got a title picked out: "Be Glad You Ain't Me." :p

Seriously, ya'll only hear about the bad stuff. Life is pretty good between meltdowns.

This is just the latest "setback" I'll be back up to speed in no time.

Turns out the vaccine is cultured in shellfish and being that I am allergic to shellfish... yeah. SOMEONE should have caught this during the MEPS screening process. This is the story I'm being given and they are sticking to it.

Whatever. At least I tried.

Evan
05-26-2010, 09:31 PM
It is most likely a reaction to an adjuvant used in many vaccines by the military. Micro powdered Chitosan is being used as an adjuvant in a number of vaccines now. It is derived from shrimp shells. You won't likely run into it in civilian vaccines but the military is exempted from many FDA regulations.

Liger Zero
05-26-2010, 09:59 PM
Shrimp... yeah that'll do it. I am HIGHLY allergic to shrimp. I made note of this on my recruit paperwork you THINK someone would have put up a red flag.

Evan
05-26-2010, 10:09 PM
They should not have enlisted you at all. Do you get any sort of compensation?

Liger Zero
05-26-2010, 10:31 PM
They should not have enlisted you at all.


This is what the doctor at the hospital said too. This should have been a red-flag in the system.




Do you get any sort of compensation?

I get paid, I have some paperwork that entitles me to "further care" at a specialist, and I got to bring home a sweet sweet pair of custom running shoes, a $150 raincoat and several other uniform items.

So long as there is no "permanent" damage I don't care beyond that. If there is I understand there is a process to follow.

Remember I volunteered for this and all the associated risks that went with it.

Even sitting there in the hospital I had a wonderful experience... I got to study for my rating, even though it was apparent I wasn't going to proceed, I got to march in formation several times, and I witnessed the commissioning of my unit (Div 227, Ship 9, USS John F Kennedy). I also got screamed at by a Chief for not lacing my boots right, and was issued 50 "Eight Count" exercises to "remind me" not to do it wrong again. :D

Also, made a few friends. :)


Not going to turn this into a "blarg" thread, and I expect others not to "blarg" about please.

Mark K
05-26-2010, 10:43 PM
At least I tried.

You did try, and it does count.

Mark
LtCol, USAF Ret

snowman
05-26-2010, 11:20 PM
This is what the doctor at the hospital said too. This should have been a red-flag in the system.

So long as there is no "permanent" damage I don't care beyond that. If there is I understand there is a process to follow.

Remember I volunteered for this and all the associated risks that went with it.


Just make sure that they give you a piece of paper that covers all expenses for medical care relating to this injury for life.

Evan
05-27-2010, 01:00 AM
Does it strike anybody else as ridiculously ironic that the NAVY didn't notice he has a deadly SEAFOOD allergy?

Liger Zero
05-27-2010, 01:10 AM
Does it strike anybody else as ridiculously ironic that the NAVY didn't notice he has a deadly SEAFOOD allergy?


Nothing sinister or ironic here, it's a big bureaucracy trying to match people to job openings in a specific timeframe.

I had no idea they "boosted" vaccines with seafood extract... hell I'm just a humble metal and plastic working bastard I know NOTHING about immune systems. Had I known that I would have pushed the issue. My recruiter, to his defense... may not have known either. Why MEPS didn't raise the red flag, that I have no idea.

I know now... I have confirmed the information via Internet so I know what happened, why it happened and what to expect as possible long-term damage.

Now, pass the word to anyone you know who may be considering a career in the Military, prehaps we can spare someone else some significant pain and swelling. :)

tyrone shewlaces
05-27-2010, 01:20 AM
As usual, I have come up with a solution to end this once and for all:

Every recruiter's office has a fresh batch of boiled shrimp going.
"Here, eat this"........

No swelling? - Free bonus tasty shrimp!
Wheezing and coughing? - "Thanks for playing. Next please!"

I just got to thinking though. Shrimp may be kind of hard to come by though for the next decade or two.

Good thoughts to you LZ.

Jim Shaper
05-27-2010, 02:05 AM
Doesn't surprise me at all.

10 years ago, when I went in (Army), the Navy would waive pretty much anything but a recent felony to get you in. I'm sure the recruiter, the doc's, and everyone else see it as a "we'll find out if there's problems when we get there" situation. In most cases, there probably wouldn't be much issue and they'd now have another troop.

As for benefits on this one, I'm pretty sure you're SOL (but could be wrong). You need to be enlisted for 180 days before they consider you a vet. I'm curious if you'll even get a DD214, or if they'll simply flush the records and say you didn't make it in?

Liger Zero
05-27-2010, 02:21 AM
Have a DD214 in briefcase. I was on the Delayed Entry Program for seven months, that actually counts as service time.

So I ended up with seven months inactive, 24 days Active Training.

According to them, I am a vet at this point because I have all that Inactive time, but I am not entitled to anything other than the reference that the DD214 provides me.

I don't recall what sort of discharge I got, too tired to look at the paper. It's a General type, not an Honorable.

*shrug* Doesn't matter as I don't intend to go searching for work any time soon. ;)

Evan
05-27-2010, 04:32 AM
Here is some confirmation back from 2004 in the Journal of Clinical Investigation.



In the inhaled-vaccine studies at BD Technologies, which are being conducted in collaboration with the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Disease, the nasal cavity is targeted. The vaccine formulation utilizes rPA with a mucosal adherent called chitosan. “We are very early in this research and we are very encouraged with the findings of protection in rabbits with a relatively simple powder formulation of recombinant protective antigen,” Harvey said. “In those formulations with no other additives that could be termed adjuvants [beside the mucoadhesive and CpG], we did achieve protection of 100%.”



http://www.jci.org/articles/view/23259

krutch
05-27-2010, 01:19 PM
I don't know too much about these things, Liger, but get ahold of your US representative and press him/her to secure you rights to health care for this 'mistake'. Do it before you need help. If there are complications in the future from this, you will need more than the DD214 and a vague "your covered". Some vets have been turned away 'cause of paper reasons. My Dad had problems 'cause records had been loss in the big fire at the St. Louis record center. Don't trust that Obama care will be enough, get some guarantee or something from you rep.
I just saying.