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Liger Zero
06-11-2010, 05:32 PM
Occasionally a molding process needs a bit of "magic" from a spray can. Buildup occurs from gas and "plate-out" of additives... Parts need some liquid motivation to eject properly and you need to coat the tool with a liquid rust-stopper at the end of the day.

This stuff is expensive, and I use quite a bit of it... especially the release agents and cleaning sprays.

Rather than spend money I spent the day goggling suppliers and asking for free samples... I now have 40 cans of release spray and 25 kinds of cleaner and 9 types of rust-stopper on the way from over a dozen suppliers... all for free. :D

Muahahahahahah!!! I'm not done yet I have another dozen supplers to contact on Monday. If I play this right I should be able to totally fill my supply locker.

Gloat gloat gloat... I'm sure this will count against me when my time comes but hey at least I saved a few bucks along the way.

Dave P.
06-11-2010, 05:51 PM
I see a emergency colonoscopy in your near future........
Dave P.

Liger Zero
06-11-2010, 05:55 PM
I see a emergency colonoscopy in your near future........
Dave P.

Nonsense, I have a can of "Universal Release" from "Slide" arriving shortly. I'm sure I'll be fine until then.

Kenwc
06-11-2010, 06:01 PM
Well...that's perty slick..hehe...get it....Slick? I crack myself up....

Liger Zero
06-11-2010, 06:17 PM
Well...that's perty slick..hehe...get it....Slick? I crack myself up....

:D I laughed. Must be the fumes in here.

davidh
06-11-2010, 07:03 PM
you are totally without shame. . . . .

(did i mention that i have a special band saw blade coming from starette ?)

i just love when these folks offer to give you a sample. . . maybe i should try the us treasury dept ? never know what kind of fool will answer the call.
:D :D :D :D

Boucher
06-11-2010, 07:20 PM
The best free sample that I was ever given was a little assortment of Cratex rubber abrasives. Worked so good that I have spent a lot of money with them as a result.

Worst free sample was some release agent that didn't work. Cost me about $300 and a lot of aggrivation. I learned that Johnson's Wax works great for my needs.

Evan
06-11-2010, 07:39 PM
The best free samples I ever got was when I was in high school, about grade 9. I went to visit the Fairchild Semiconductor plant in Mountain View and during the tour I asked the guide if he had any rejects I could have. "Justa minute" he said, "stay right here". He returned in a couple of minutes with two shoe boxes. One was full of transistors and the other was full of diodes. There was lots of everything they made, some with no markings, most with, but maybe bent leads or cut too short or slightly sloppy molding of the epoxy. Some didn't work or had too low gain but I ended up with about 5000 transistors and too many diodes to count. I gave about 2/3rds of them to the electronics class parts supplies which made the teacher very happy.

Back then a discrete transistor cost several 1960s dollars each.

RB211
06-11-2010, 08:49 PM
It is not too much of a gloat when anyone can get the same offer with some leg work.

oldtiffie
06-11-2010, 09:08 PM
L-Z seems to cope pretty well.

He not only doesn't seem to take himself or the world at large too seriously (if at all) but he can laugh and "take the pi$$" out of himself (and others as well in the process), makes the best of what he has and has a positive outlook.

He's not bad at all at seeing an opportunity and assessing risks and taking chances and coping with the inevitable losses either.

He takes his "knocks" very well and has his ego pretty well under control too.

He can have his rants, "lets off stream", takes a reality check and gets back to what ever needs to be done.

He seems to be blessed with his wife who knows how to deal with things and people and how to support him - and to keep him "on track".

Some others here could do worse than emulating him.

Liger Zero
06-11-2010, 09:20 PM
He seems to be blessed with his wife who knows how to deal with things and people and how to support him - and to keep him "on track".



She (Wife-Unit) lost a leg to cancer not that long ago. Around that time I started putting things together (my "network") with an eye twords starting a business.

Where it all came together was when Grandmother "advanced" me my inheritance. She owns a HUGE tract of prime land near Norwich Ct... Developers are tripping over themselves to get this land. She sold "my" piece and took me out of the will. Her thinking is she wants to see me make this happen, as I got my start working beside my grandfather (her husband) when I was eight.

This is NOT something I'm doing lightly, I take this very seriously. That said, I do have a warped outlook at times and I try to find the humor in any situation no matter how grave. It's how I roll.

Lastly, if you can't laugh at yourself you cannot laugh at other people. Looking at myself and my "problems" I have plenty to laugh about for years to come.

JoeFin
06-11-2010, 09:46 PM
Muahahahahahah!!! I'm not done yet I have another dozen supplers to contact on Monday. If I play this right I should be able to totally fill my supply locker.

Gloat gloat gloat... I'm sure this will count against me when my time comes but hey at least I saved a few bucks along the way.

I hope none of your "Would be Suppliers" are reading this thread

wierdscience
06-11-2010, 10:04 PM
The Used Bridgeport god's are all ready punishing you and now you piss off the god of Lubricants?

There are stuck bolts,siezed hinges and locked up bearings in your future and I want no part of it!:D

Liger Zero
06-11-2010, 10:11 PM
The Used Bridgeport god's are all ready punishing you and now you piss off the god of Lubricants?

There are stuck bolts,siezed hinges and locked up bearings in your future and I want no part of it!:D

I've been in sticky situations before, but somehow I squeak by.

oldtiffie
06-11-2010, 10:17 PM
Originally Posted by Liger Zero
Muahahahahahah!!! I'm not done yet I have another dozen supplers to contact on Monday. If I play this right I should be able to totally fill my supply locker.

Gloat gloat gloat... I'm sure this will count against me when my time comes but hey at least I saved a few bucks along the way.

I hope none of your "Would be Suppliers" are reading this thread

Oh, I dunno.

L-Z has "set the scene" pretty well.

All he has to do is wangle their names into this thread and then email the link to it to his "would be suppliers" and then the bottles of samples might become boxes or crates - perhaps with a "kick-back" or a commission or bonus.

You never know 'til you have a go.

L-Z, being the entrepreneur that he seems to be, may well see and make the most of the opportunity - and some here might do well "riding on his coat-tails".

And then while everybody else is congratulating themselves ("gloating"??) as to how clever they are and how little they paid, L-Z, in his usual fashion, will have fallen on his feet instead of his ar$e and will be just a blur on the horizon - again.

Liger Zero
06-11-2010, 10:23 PM
For years, the company I worked at used two kinds. General-misuse "Cheap Smelly Stuff" and "Slide Brand Universal." The "Universal" was for prototype jobs and "hot mold jobs". The "Cheap Stuff" caused problems with certain materials under certain conditions but hey it was cheap.

One advantage of being a "job hopper" is you get to see other methods and ways of doing things. Over time I learned that there are different release agents for different applications and situations.

Now as I build my company and my reputation as a "troubleshooter" for difficult jobs, I can use my sample collection to great advantage. You have a difficult processing window with a very cold mold and an sensitive material? Well I have a release agent for that. Not only do I solve the mold and process problems I can pass on a release agent specification.

Weston Bye
06-12-2010, 07:19 AM
I hope none of your "Would be Suppliers" are reading this thread


For years, the company I worked at used two kinds. General-misuse "Cheap Smelly Stuff" and "Slide Brand Universal." The "Universal" was for prototype jobs and "hot mold jobs". The "Cheap Stuff" caused problems with certain materials under certain conditions but hey it was cheap.

One advantage of being a "job hopper" is you get to see other methods and ways of doing things. Over time I learned that there are different release agents for different applications and situations.

Now as I build my company and my reputation as a "troubleshooter" for difficult jobs, I can use my sample collection to great advantage. You have a difficult processing window with a very cold mold and an sensitive material? Well I have a release agent for that. Not only do I solve the mold and process problems I can pass on a release agent specification.

Nice recovery.

A.K. Boomer
06-12-2010, 08:37 AM
L-Z seems to cope pretty well.

He not only doesn't seem to take himself or the world at large too seriously (if at all) but he can laugh and "take the pi$$" out of himself (and others as well in the process), makes the best of what he has and has a positive outlook.

He's not bad at all at seeing an opportunity and assessing risks and taking chances and coping with the inevitable losses either.

He takes his "knocks" very well and has his ego pretty well under control too.

He can have his rants, "lets off stream", takes a reality check and gets back to what ever needs to be done.

He seems to be blessed with his wife who knows how to deal with things and people and how to support him - and to keep him "on track".

Some others here could do worse than emulating him.


Geeze Tiffer, thanks for the astrology breakdown - everything but his "sign" --- what is he? a scavenertarius?

Anyways - how is it that you have only 300 some odd posts, seems like it's way more, way way more:p --------;)

oldtiffie
06-12-2010, 09:08 AM
Geeze Tiffer, .........................................

Anyways - how is it that you have only 300 some odd posts, seems like it's way more, way way more:p --------;)

Well AK, as you are aware, I am way way down here in OZ - half a world away - and due the the "tapering off" effect of sizes over distances due to the perspective effect, I guess it got a lot smaller the further it is away from the Hew Hess of Hay - or something. It may be possible that when the perspective reaches zero (at infinity) it will expand in reverse the further it gets from or past that point of infinity.

I don't feel that I've lost or are missing them or anything else either.

I will look into it while I shave in the morning - that's where most stuff goes - through the looking glass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through_the_Looking-Glass

A.K. Boomer
06-12-2010, 09:14 AM
I will look into it while I shave in the morning - that's where most stuff goes - through the looking glass.

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So what your saying is its kinda like flushing a toilet over there as compared to here, except the water spins the other way?

oldtiffie
06-12-2010, 09:41 AM
So what your saying is its kinda like flushing a toilet over there as compared to here, except the water spins the other way?

Water? In the dunny? What next?

Here in OZ?

You'll be wanting us to wash our hands or shower next!!!

No way mate!!!

Don't think so - here is one of out better efforts:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Dunny.jpg/220px-Dunny.jpg

from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunny

When it gets too full we either bucket it out, or rotate on one of the corners, dig a new hole and away ya go.

Occasional use of dynamite or a hand-grenade stirs thing up.

We aren't as flash as you Yanks are.

Liger Zero
06-12-2010, 10:14 AM
Geeze Tiffer, thanks for the astrology breakdown - everything but his "sign" --- what is he? a scavenertarius?


He's buttering me up because he heard I am hiring.

Seriously. Looking for a helper. Must be sentient, drug-free and able to follow simple instructions without arguing.

oldtiffie
06-12-2010, 10:26 AM
L-Z.

If I was buttering you up (way oil) you may well have another problem as I am an ex-sailor and EVERYBODY knows what sailors are!!!

As regards Boomer's "astrology" bit, it has been known on occasion that when I read someones horoscope out to them that they had very good reason to remember me and the occasion - not at all fondly - for quite some time (years) after.

Liger Zero
06-12-2010, 10:38 AM
L-Z.

If I was buttering you up (way oil) you may well have another problem as I am an ex-sailor and EVERYBODY knows what sailors are!!!


I had 20 days in Naval boot-camp before I was medically discharged. :(

...but anyway being an ex-sailor we can skip basic troubleshooting profanity. I don't want to hear about the #3 zone heater being out... I don't understand that. Either tell me "The motherf*cking POS #3 heater has s*it the bed again" or get out of my shop!

dockrat
06-12-2010, 12:54 PM
Anyways - how is it that you have only 300 some odd posts, seems like it's way more, way way more:p --------;)

I'm sure he has 300 posts in the joke thread alone :D

edit to add: actually his post counter has been stuck at 346 for quite a while now

KIMFAB
06-12-2010, 01:19 PM
He's buttering me up because he heard I am hiring.

Seriously. Looking for a helper. Must be sentient, drug-free and able to follow simple instructions without arguing.

Just like cheap, accurate and quick, you only get to choose two.

A.K. Boomer
06-12-2010, 01:33 PM
Water? In the dunny? What next?

Here in OZ?

You'll be wanting us to wash our hands or shower next!!!

No way mate!!!

Don't think so - here is one of out better efforts:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Dunny.jpg/220px-Dunny.jpg

from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunny

When it gets too full we either bucket it out, or rotate on one of the corners, dig a new hole and away ya go.

Occasional use of dynamite or a hand-grenade stirs thing up.

We aren't as flash as you Yanks are.


Holy mazolie, I was going to say that baby was built pre 2000's but now I see the notched upper beam and the vented "gable",
I know where id be heading in case of a tornado:p

Question; did the cow die while walking past it?

Black_Moons
06-12-2010, 01:50 PM
Small warning about samples, Some customs agencys/shiping methods will charge you brokerage/taxes on free samples! Iv had it happen about twice outta 30 sample orders, so beware..

lynnl
06-12-2010, 02:15 PM
If you'll notice Tiffie's "Join Date" is 2 or 3 years older than the inaugeration of the BB. Thus, his posts for those early years were all decremented. That's why his postings number is so small. :rolleyes:

danlb
06-12-2010, 03:39 PM
The main reason I don't do the sample trick is all the sales phone calls and the advertisements that I get in the mail. They are more hassle than the samples are worth.

6 years ago I went to an optics convention. I exchanged my address for a few samples of some neat stuff. I'm still getting 2 inch thick catalogs full of esoteric optical manufacturing equipment a couple times a year.

Dan

Liger Zero
06-12-2010, 03:56 PM
The main reason I don't do the sample trick is all the sales phone calls and the advertisements that I get in the mail. They are more hassle than the samples are worth.

6 years ago I went to an optics convention. I exchanged my address for a few samples of some neat stuff. I'm still getting 2 inch thick catalogs full of esoteric optical manufacturing equipment a couple times a year.

Dan

PO Box comes in handy for that.

'sides those catalogs might save your ass someday... never know when you might need a reverse-ratcheting inverse polarization self-compiling thermo-ionic backscatter internal-scratch deconfigurator... AND LOOK! THEY HAVE OVERNIGHT SHIPPING!!!

oldtiffie
06-12-2010, 09:22 PM
If you'll notice Tiffie's "Join Date" is 2 or 3 years older than the inaugeration of the BB. Thus, his posts for those early years were all decremented. That's why his postings number is so small. :rolleyes:

Watch this space.

Teenage_Machinist
06-12-2010, 09:32 PM
I have not had much sucsess with free samples. Most suppliers now seem to be able to tell whether you are a company, and rigidly accept or deny requests. I had similar problems with trying to buy yttrium oxide, nobody would sell to individuals.

Liger Zero
06-12-2010, 10:55 PM
Create a business then. It's not hard to register your name and get your papers.

Kenwc
06-12-2010, 11:24 PM
PO Box comes in handy for that.

'sides those catalogs might save your ass someday... never know when you might need a reverse-ratcheting inverse polarization self-compiling thermo-ionic backscatter internal-scratch deconfigurator... AND LOOK! THEY HAVE OVERNIGHT SHIPPING!!!

It occurs to me they could also come in handy in the Ozzy Thunderbox...

Evan
06-12-2010, 11:46 PM
Create a business then. It's not hard to register your name and get your papers.


Even easier just create a website. In Canada it costs $12.95 to register a domain name and 6 bucks a month for unlimited traffic hosting.

For instance the domain name www.toolspecialist.org .biz .net .ca and .us is currently available.

Same for www.machinerydesigner.biz etc

Same for toolaholic.biz etc

The above are taken for .com but not for any of the other top level domains.

BTW LZ, plasticswizard.com is available.

Ken_Shea
06-12-2010, 11:49 PM
''Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive''

;)

Liger Zero
06-12-2010, 11:52 PM
BTW LZ, plasticswizard.com is available.

So is plasticoperators.com. That's the one that I want.

Click the link in my sig, that's my prototype forum. Eventually I am going to have a page with regional service suppliers and molding companies listed in one place. A shop I deal with was bitching about having to go to Idaho for a certain repair, I directed them to a business less than a mile away behind a shoe store in the same town as them... that could do the exact same thing for lower cost.

Not the first time it has happened either. :rolleyes: Time to cash in.

ckelloug
06-13-2010, 01:24 AM
The big thing in getting samples is to ask someone technical nicely and have a shipping address that does not come up in Fed Ex or UPS's databases as residential.
If you sound technically competent enough, it's sometimes possible to talk a sales engineer into bending the rules.

Free samples are great because for a lot of the stuff I deal with, It's either a free sample or buying 500 gallons of something that may not work. Likewise, I prefer getting a free sample of something that costs hundreds of dollars a gallon before committing.

IN my experience, most chemical vendors want to see a business license, company organizational documents, and a non-residential address.

--Cameron

Good work on the business Liger Zero!