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Your Old Dog
06-16-2010, 09:59 PM
I've had my second thread locked. Most of you have never had a thread locked and I am starting to believe Bborr01 may be right when he calls me a trouble maker on any post he doesn't like.

I've read much of the big thread on plugging the leak and don't see where even Mochinist or Bborr01's post were as harsh on my thread as most of the strained responses of the plug thread?

You guys don't think I contribute anything positive to this board then just say so and I won't bother you any longer. I tried to have a little reasoning in my voice but evidently my conservative logic doesn't sit well with the other board members.

edited to add: Call it sort of a vote of confidence in my presence here.

Oldbrock
06-16-2010, 10:04 PM
Don't take it to heart, some people just like to bitch, it's their nature, you just have to treat unwelcome remarks with the contempt they deserve. Peter

Dr Stan
06-16-2010, 10:15 PM
Your Old Dog,

I'm probably the most liberal person on the forum and I do not consider you to be a troublemaker. I respect a conservative who can make a logical, principled argument (defined in the non-hostile manner) such as George Will. I can agree to disagree and be civil about it. As a former colleague said "one can disagree without being disagreeable".

On the other hand I have nothing but contempt for the knee jerk reactionaries who pass themselves off as conservatives.

Stan

Willy
06-16-2010, 10:21 PM
Yeah, don't take it personally Ray, I've always enjoyed your posts. You've got a good sense of humor and you've contributed an awful lot over the years, so don't let a couple of locked threads ruin your day.

We both know that religious or political threads last about as long as a case of beer at policeman's picnic, and this one had all the ear-marks of heading south. Don't sweat it, opinions are like a$$holes...everybody has their own.

Don't take this as a personal attack on your integrity, hell sometimes people don't even agree with me! :D

wierdscience
06-16-2010, 10:28 PM
It wasn't anything you did,some people just can't behave in public.

dp
06-16-2010, 10:28 PM
That thread got political, contentious, and personal rather quickly. It took nearly 80 pages for the oil well thread to get there. It's probably time to bury that one, too. The BBS is, after all, a machinery centric site and while the occasional drift off into world events is unavoidable and probably adds to the overall interest, pure politics should remain off the site. It wouldn't take much to have this site reading like the PM Manufacturing in America/Europe forum. Outrageous behavior is the norm and raw anger is common. Very unpleasant.

This site gets some long winded tit for tat exchanges among a core set of members (Including me). Sometimes you just have to walk away from the really silly ones. Maybe all of them though there is often some great science kicked around that keeps it interesting.

Ken_Shea
06-16-2010, 10:31 PM
YOD,
Controversial subject matter, like religion or politics or one that goes controversial is immediately well on it's way to getting locked.

Some times George misses them :D

I read most all your post, good stuff usually, hang in there.

rdfeil
06-16-2010, 10:35 PM
YOD,

Don't take it to heart, just be yourself and keep doing what you have been doing. I, for one, do like your posts (well most of them :D ) and I will keep reading them. I have found over the years that even when I disagree with someones statement it may still make me rethink my position and I may end up better off in the long run.

Keep the faith and PLEASE stay with us...

Robin

Liger Zero
06-16-2010, 10:35 PM
I have no problem with you. Look forward to your posts.

J Tiers
06-16-2010, 11:00 PM
Unfortunately the thread was destined to BE locked.... it was fairly political, and that is among the no-no's.

The other one is at least nominally technical, or was, the last time I bothered to look at it, so......

mochinist
06-16-2010, 11:03 PM
waaah my threads get locked


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Waaah%21.jpg

Ken_Shea
06-16-2010, 11:08 PM
waaah my threads get locked



Does 800x600 have any meaning to you?
or perhaps / by chance picture optimization :rolleyes:

wooleybooger
06-16-2010, 11:16 PM
i ,like many here, are members of other forums. a moderator is often better off locking a post before tempers,courtesy,and members are lost. i joined this forum to learn. if you can teach me to run a machine better, i dont care what powers your car,how much it smokes, or who you voted for.

bborr01
06-16-2010, 11:30 PM
YOD,

Don't go.

Even if I don't agree with you sometimes, I still like to read opposing opinions.

That is how we can develop informed opinions.

But you need to be able to take reading opposing opinions too.

Honestly, do you think Barack Obama deliberately stalled the cleanup in the gulf to promote green energy?

Or are you just looking for an argument?

Brian

lazlo
06-16-2010, 11:55 PM
YOD, I like you, and most of your posts, but seriously -- Rush Limbaugh conspiracy theories don't belong here.

Dennis single-handedly derailed the Oil Spill thread with winger rhetoric.

If you want to sling contentious political mud, please do it on the PracticalMachinist sub-forum that was created for that purpose.

RB211
06-17-2010, 12:12 AM
Its not like you verbally accused some one of being a communist and making it a part of your signature, that WILL get you banned on here.

Mcgyver
06-17-2010, 12:31 AM
i missed the whole thing....if ya wanna break come up north for beers :D

I like so called conservatives, I like so called liberals.....and defining someone as one or the other makes zero sense, as if everything about an individual neatly places them in one of two homogeneous camps. BS. Mostly there's only our good ideas, bad ideas and prejudices. ....and don't give any politician or political party an ounce more credibility than they deserve which is pretty much zero. There. My apolitical political beliefs

Tinkerer
06-17-2010, 12:48 AM
mochinist I'll take that as a recent picture of you... by your reply.

Old Dog if they try and kick you when your down just bite em'.
Ok seriously don't let it bring you down. We all have stuff to contribute. ;)

Carld
06-17-2010, 12:58 AM
bborr01, I don't think OB did anything at the start of the problem because he didn't have a clue what to do and figured BP could handle it. I am sure the Coast Guard and the Military and the USA oil people said it was beyond them so he just sat on it to wait and see. The only thing I have seen him do well is promote his socialist agenda.

I am sure he was thinking this may be a good time to promote the Green agenda which he finally did. The problem is we can't exist on wind and solar energy alone, we need the oil, hydro, atomic, steam and any other energy form to power our demands.

The truth of it is the Greenies are a minority and the majority want electricity and gasoline. There is nothing that powers automotive vehicles better than gasoline and diesel. Not electric, not steam, not fuel cells, not propane, not natural gas, not hydrogen. The most effective fuel for automotive power is gasoline and diesel and all the rest need a LOT of development to be as effective.

We can't afford to stop using gasoline and diesel and in fact crude oil is used to produce a lot of things besides oil and fuel for vehicles.

It WAS the Eco people and Greenies that forced close off shore drilling to stop as well as the people that lived along the coast. The coast dwellers did not want to look out at the ocean and see all those drilling rigs so finally the gov stopped them. Personally I am not in favor of off shore drilling because we have enough oil on the continent to last several hundred years. Not all of it is easy oil to get and they are working on shale oil and oil from coal to make it cost effective. Until all that happens we need crude oil PERIOD.

bborr01 and mochinist, calling someone stupid when making a point does not help your creditability on an issue. When someone uses stupid, ignorant or several other terms like that to me it means they don't have anything to back their statement up with. It is better to stick to why you think such and such and leave out name calling.

YOD, don't fall into their trap. Some people resort to name calling just to get the other person angry so don't follow their lead.

dp
06-17-2010, 01:25 AM
YOD, I like you, and most of your posts, but seriously -- Rush Limbaugh conspiracy theories don't belong here.

Dennis single-handedly derailed the Oil Spill thread with winger rhetoric.

If you want to sling contentious political mud, please do it on the PracticalMachinist sub-forum that was created for that purpose.

Oh bs, Lazlo - that thread had already degenerated to a pissing contest. I put some real life in it and nothing more, and I did it with real life experience. I actually engaged people all over the western US states and shared what I was told. Sometimes you really are inventive. Not this time.

Willy
06-17-2010, 01:29 AM
Now, now boys, lets keep this civil.:D
We don't want to get another one of YOD's threads locked.;)

RancherBill
06-17-2010, 01:29 AM
.....You guys don't think I contribute anything positive to this board then just say so and I won't bother you any longer. I tried to have a little reasoning in my voice but evidently my conservative logic doesn't sit well with the other board members.

I think your contributions are positive. They are reasoned and well thought out. Whether they have content real and enduring value is always in the eyes of the reader.:D

The point and counterpoint in the threads is important to fully vet all the different sides.

Starting the other thread was a real demonstration of responsibility instead of letting it permeate the other thread.

Keep on going.

BTW, I don't agree with on a number of topics, but you make me think.

gmatov
06-17-2010, 01:30 AM
Carld,

I don't really think that oil IS the best fuel we can use. It IS the most expensive, when you consider the cost of the crude, the transportation, the US Military in place to enforce the production and delivery of, and the processing here at home.

All other fuels are tied to the price of crude, so if you could make a KW of electricity for 2 cents, you would be a fool to sell it for less than 8 cents, as that is the equivalent of the crude cycle.

Wind generators make energy for free, as to fuel. The cost of them, the maintenance, has to be factored in. A sensible return on investment time has to be factored in. But as with a coal fired plant, return on investment might have been 20 years ago, now the amortization doesn't exist. They no longer have a nickle per KW cost of plant to pay for.

That cost would be considered reasonable by most everybody, unlike some here tell those who want to set up their own plant, wind or solar, whatever, "but you gotta put out 5 grand to make your own electric".

I'm getting too old to do what I wanted to do long ago, set up a mill in the back yard, not to cut the outside line, just maybe to augment what I use now, preheat my boiler, or preheat my water heater.

Cheers,

George

Carld
06-17-2010, 01:49 AM
George, most automotive vehicles are powered by internal combustion engines. Gasoline and diesel are the most effective fuel for them. We can use propane and natural gas in them but they have issues gas and diesel don't and in fact there are issues with all four fuels for IC engines.

Electric cars and trucks are not long range vehicles so long trips or using them to haul goods is out. Until we have a lot more improvements in alternative power for vehicles we have to use gas and diesel.

Wind power is not cheap or free, nor is solar. Solar panels have a life of maybe 20 years and they generate less and less over that time. They are being improved. A wind generator is a huge investment and the upkeep is high and as I said before, getting a power grid to them is also a BIG issue. The Greenies that want the wind generators don't want the transmission lines needed to move the power to the people. The Eco people don't want the wind generators because they allegedly kill birds and they don't want the power lines either.

The problem with the Eco and Greenies is they can't have it both ways. I am for every form of electrical generation there is or will be invented and I am for coal and crude oil. We can't leave anything out of the loop until we have a better thing to replace it. So far there is nothing that can replace crude oil and coal and we need to improve how we use them and control the waste from them.

When we have something better we can then drop the crude and coal but it will be a long time coming.

RB211
06-17-2010, 01:57 AM
George, most automotive vehicles are powered by internal combustion engines. Gasoline and diesel are the most effective fuel for them. We can use propane and natural gas in them but they have issues gas and diesel don't and in fact there are issues with all four fuels for IC engines.

Electric cars and trucks are not long range vehicles so long trips or using them to haul goods is out. Until we have a lot more improvements in alternative power for vehicles we have to use gas and diesel.

Wind power is not cheap or free, nor is solar. Solar panels have a life of maybe 20 years and they generate less and less over that time. They are being improved. A wind generator is a huge investment and the upkeep is high and as I said before, getting a power grid to them is also a BIG issue. The Greenies that want the wind generators don't want the transmission lines needed to move the power to the people. The Eco people don't want the wind generators because they allegedly kill birds and they don't want the power lines either.

The problem with the Eco and Greenies is they can't have it both ways. I am for every form of electrical generation there is or will be invented and I am for coal and crude oil. We can't leave anything out of the loop until we have a better thing to replace it. So far there is nothing that can replace crude oil and coal and we need to improve how we use them and control the waste from them.

When we have something better we can then drop the crude and coal but it will be a long time coming.
Build more nuke plants, and use the hydrogen that is produced from them to power our road vehicles.

Walter
06-17-2010, 02:02 AM
Yod,

Don't let it get under your skin. Keep on keepin on.

Weston Bye
06-17-2010, 05:55 AM
...You guys don't think I contribute anything positive to this board then just say so and I won't bother you any longer. I tried to have a little reasoning in my voice but evidently my conservative logic doesn't sit well with the other board members.

edited to add: Call it sort of a vote of confidence in my presence here.


Don't even think of going away or even standing down. I, and most of the others here enjoy your company.

Indeed, I enjoy reading the comments and opinions of even those I disagree with, just not the name calling.

MotorradMike
06-17-2010, 08:20 AM
I like to look in on the pissing matches just to see how far off-topic they evolve. The mod lets them go pretty far so it's usually exciting. They quickly get beyond my expertise so I don't have much to say.

To find the real troublemaker, wouldn't it make sense to do a post count by member in all the threads that have gone that way?

A.K. Boomer
06-17-2010, 08:24 AM
Really, "can someone please tell me what happened?"


Ok, You asked, You put your foot in your mouth with both the title and the OP,,, Comprendo?

Then to take it a step further Lazlo shut down the whole show with the last bit of common sense before it got locked so it kinda backfired on you,,, wanna learn more? just ask another question...


Not picking on you YOD, your a great guy when your off the oxycontin;) but you have to keep it real esp. when it comes to you know what...

EDIT; One last note in the defense of common sense, some people will see anything that follows this incredible disaster as a launching pad for a "push" for something else -- other people will see the predicted results of "cause and effect" The fact of the matter is - is that both "methods" will ensue shortly after, Good luck trying to segregate the two different motives - but a big mistake to start a conspiracy post on this particular board and try to heap them both into the same "motive" category... News flash --- we just lost a unique hefty chunk of america....

Carld
06-17-2010, 08:32 AM
Weston Bye, that would work for me when they get an engine that safely uses hydrogen and can safely contain the hydrogen and as many hydrogen filling stations as we do gas stations. So far using hydrogen in a fuel cell is more effective.

Before the government mandates the disuse of a certain fuel it would be a good idea to have another proven available substitute and the means to use it.

Going off half cocked and claiming oil and gas need to go without a good commonly available replacement is rather foolish. Right now nothing is as good as gasoline. I am not partial to any one fuel and when they get a better system going I will be willing to accept it if I can afford it and I hope it's affordable.

I also like the idea of atomic energy electric generators. We are going to have to use everything we can to supply the demands now and in the future. One thing is for sure, our energy demands keep rising and we can't go back to the horse and buggy days.

chevy3755
06-17-2010, 08:34 AM
your ok by me...............

George Bulliss
06-17-2010, 08:40 AM
Dennis is correct, the thread did start going political and that was the sole reason for locking it. I have no agenda against you YOD and enjoy your posts.

My moderation can seem a little sporadic at times and this is not the first time that someone wondered why their posts were locked, while other, similar subjects remain. One reason is I donít see them all. I have to budget my time spent here and some weeks the moderation is lighter than others.

Also, trying to stomp out 100% of the OT threads, every time they pop up, is more than I want to tackle. I will let some threads remain simply because I know the OT stuff is going to come up and it is often easier to have it all landing in one thread, as opposed to being scattered throughout dozens. The oil spill thread is one example; I have left it a little longer than usual simply to provide a place to vent. Usually, once the number of OT threads starts increasing, things get locked to keep the percentage of on-topic threads high.

My main goal for this board is to keep it a welcoming place. I want people coming to the board for the first time to find the help they are looking for and to stay. The purpose of this board, and my moderation, is to attract new customers to Village Press. Also, the future of the board is entirely dependent on its ability to bring in cash to Village Press. Fortunately, we have attracted enough viewers to sell advertising and I now feel the boardís future is fairly secure. I plan to work to keep it that way. Keeping things on-topic and friendly is necessary to achieve this.

Once again, I have nothing against YOD. Or even RB211 for that matter (you do know it wasnít the sig that brought the ax down, right?). Iím easy enough to contact, either through email or a PM if anyone has a problem, question, or suggestion.

George

Bill Pace
06-17-2010, 10:17 AM
I seldom (really never) join in on posts that get off into topics such as these two did, for the very reason George pointed out -- they have nothing whatsoever to do with what this board is set up for - HSM'ing mechaniching, welding, and similar related topics.

YOD is one of my favorite posters -- when the topics are kept to what the board is for...

When I want to wade off into politics, religion, etc, its too easy to flop down in front of the TV -- or, even get online and pull up one of hundreds of sites dedicated to one of those topics...

lazlo
06-17-2010, 10:20 AM
I seldom (really never) join in on posts that get off into topics such as these two did, for the very reason George pointed out -- they have nothing whatsoever to do with what this board is set up for - HSM'ing mechaniching, welding, and similar related topics.

YOD is one of my favorite posters -- when the topics are kept to what the board is for...

When I want to wade off into politics, religion, etc, its too easy to flop down in front of the TV -- or, even get online and pull up one of hundreds of sites dedicated to one of those topics...

Bill, that's a superb post.

George -- can we make that a sticky? :)

Your Old Dog
06-17-2010, 10:22 AM
George,
Thanks for the polite explanation. Your explanation took up more of your time then I could ask for and your effort is appreciated. I'll try to have all my postings in such away that I won't be considered a Trouble Maker by one.

Thanks for the great board and thanks for those who tried to make me feel like I didn't have the plague. I guess it's really those folks who are the reason I like being here with these gentlemen.

Take care all, I'm fine and you'll need the proverbial crowbar from Sears to get me out of here :D

EDITED TO ADD: Hrumph! Lazlo, have you noticed how black the kettle is? You have one of the sharpest knives on the board when something comes up you don't like. I'm going to have to renig on that beer offer :D Buy your own damn beer! BaDump Bump

Weston Bye
06-17-2010, 10:42 AM
Weston Bye, that would work for me when they get an engine that safely uses hydrogen and can safely contain the hydrogen and as many hydrogen filling stations as we do gas stations. So far using hydrogen in a fuel cell is more effective.

Before the government mandates the disuse of a certain fuel it would be a good idea to have another proven available substitute and the means to use it.

Going off half cocked and claiming oil and gas need to go without a good commonly available replacement is rather foolish. Right now nothing is as good as gasoline. I am not partial to any one fuel and when they get a better system going I will be willing to accept it if I can afford it and I hope it's affordable.

I also like the idea of atomic energy electric generators. We are going to have to use everything we can to supply the demands now and in the future. One thing is for sure, our energy demands keep rising and we can't go back to the horse and buggy days.

Carld, I think you had a slip of the typing finger and confused me with RB211.


Though off-topic for this particular thread, I pretty much agree with your position concerning petroleum as a motor fuel - best energy density there is out there. Indeed, even if a better source were found, the cost in dollars and energy to build a whole new distribution structure would make for a long payback before a net gain in energy savings was realized.

Now, back On Topic, thank you George, for your thoughts and motives about moderation and conduct of the BBS. I expect that your post may be quoted in the future when questions of moderation come up.

lazlo
06-17-2010, 10:54 AM
EDITED TO ADD: Hrumph! Lazlo, have you noticed how black the kettle is? You have one of the sharpest knives on the board when something comes up you don't like.

YoD, to make this a bit clearer, Dennis is, by far, the worst offender in tossing Off-Topic political rhetoric into machinery or engineering related threads. You're a close second.

I'm a conservative independent, but if you post some blatent falsehood ("Obama planned this disaster to advance his Green Agenda", "Most people are more disappointed with the administration than BP"), I'm going to call you on it.

But I'll still buy you a beer ;)

A.K. Boomer
06-17-2010, 11:06 AM
I agree about the energy density thing, it's a tough thing to beat esp. for the transportation industry both private and commercial...
I also realize its just a stored up bunch of solar energy, and we are getting bombarded by this same energy in copious amounts so there is merit in putting effort into trying to scoop it up in a more efficient manner for other power sources,

I believe we need to explore in every direction imaginable but in a practical manner,
that being said it brings me back to the oil topic, to me it's not about finding more right now, we've got plenty, its about doing more with less, this is within all of our grasps as individuals - this stuff don't come back, this stuff has consequences, so all im saying is if your still one of the people commuting in your dodge duely with a hemi and traveling 30 miles each way you might want to rethink your actions a little - and if that doesn't sound like the america you grew up in your G-dee right - its not, things have changed, time to evolve a little....

dp
06-17-2010, 11:20 AM
YoD, to make this a bit clearer, Dennis is, by far, the worst offender in tossing Off-Topic political rhetoric into machinery or engineering related threads. You're a close second.

Nice piece of **** stirring but it's not floating, Robert. This is the wrong thread for more of your ankle biting.

RancherBill
06-17-2010, 12:34 PM
OMG :eek:

This thread started with a purpose and has wandered off into the world of alternate energy several times. :eek: :D

YOD, so I guess the underlying truth is that no one should wander too far, or for too long, or to be too blunt in any thread. :)

Wirecutter
06-17-2010, 01:08 PM
YOD -
I wouldn't sweat it. I've had threads get locked on another forum - but not because of what I said. Sometimes a moderator might choose to lock a thread when those responding to it veer out of control.

-M

SGW
06-17-2010, 02:27 PM
You people who think you know it all are very annoying to us who do.

(Many, many :D 's lest you think I mean that seriously!)

dp
06-17-2010, 02:28 PM
Wind power is not cheap or free, nor is solar.

Both require supporting water or carbon energized generators capable of supporting the entire regional load since both wind and solar are subject to weather and circadian cycles.

dp
06-17-2010, 02:32 PM
OMG :eek:

This thread started with a purpose and has wandered off into the world of alternate energy several times. :eek: :D


Topic creep is pretty common in threads where the principle point has been resolved quickly. That leaves us time to blather on about the nuances brought up earlier in the thread.

Carld
06-17-2010, 03:01 PM
The thing I like about threads on energy is finding out other ideas and energy sources. As long as we discuss and don't get down in the mud it serves a useful purpose.

Yeah, I know YOD was asking about his locked thread but the twist is still related to his locked thread.

lazlo
06-17-2010, 03:04 PM
The thing I like about threads on energy is finding out other ideas and energy sources. As long as we discuss and don't get down in the mud it serves a useful purpose.

I agree Carl, but as we saw with the DeepWater horizon thread, it just takes one post to tip the thread into the dumper.

We've often had fascinating discussions about alternative energy, analyzed the efficiency of electric vehicles (and I share your pessimism), ... but inevitably someone will toss out a snide political comment, and a dogpile follows.

Weston Bye
06-17-2010, 03:15 PM
While we are veering off, let me overanalyze something here:

President Obama, in his Oval Office address, was backed up by a field of Green - natural tree foliage outside the window. I don't ever remember seeing this on other Oval Office addresses. Was the green intentional and symbolic or just coincidence?

I don't care one way or the other, but it could be a source of pride or irritation for those overanalyzers of either side.

Or even just amusement.

Your Old Dog
06-17-2010, 04:07 PM
YoD, to make this a bit clearer, Dennis is, by far, the worst offender in tossing Off-Topic political rhetoric into machinery or engineering related threads. You're a close second.

I'm a conservative independent, but if you post some blatent falsehood ("Obama planned this disaster to advance his Green Agenda", "Most people are more disappointed with the administration than BP"), I'm going to call you on it.

But I'll still buy you a beer ;)

Now Lazlo you have to go back and read what I said! Never said or implied that BO planned, hired black op's, supplied the C-4 or subs or anything of the sort. What I said was he wasn't going to waste a good disaster if it would help his green agenda :D Nothing in there about our President dawning a scuba tank and deep six'en the oil platform. Never said he could plug the leak himself but won't either. Just think we don't need to wait until the leak is plugged and the proper BP people hung before we get out some tissues and start some serious mopping up. :D Don't exaggerate please, it's bad enough as it is!

I'll have that beer with you but only if I can break the first one over your head!

Your Old Dog
06-17-2010, 04:14 PM
... but inevitably someone will toss out a snide political comment, and a dogpile follows.

Now what the he11 is that supposed to mean.





:D

BTW guys, thanks. I didn't know I have some many fiends :p

mochinist
06-17-2010, 06:46 PM
:D

BTW guys, thanks. I didn't know I have some many fiends :p
check the lyrics right around 20 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeP79u6J1wc

gnm109
06-17-2010, 06:57 PM
Now what the he11 is that supposed to mean.


:D

BTW guys, thanks. I didn't know I have some many fiends :p


Just relax and take a depp breath. I've seen threads get locked on dozens of websites. When they get controversial, you may expect it.

You are OK with me, I hope I'm OK with the rest of you. LOL.


:)

andy_b
06-17-2010, 09:31 PM
YOD,

I was going to post that I didn't read this entire thread, but you're okay by me. I then ended up reading the entire thread (I am bored at present), and instead I decided to post, you're okay by me. :)

andy b.

Your Old Dog
06-17-2010, 09:34 PM
check the lyrics right around 20 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeP79u6J1wc




BTW guys, thanks. I didn't know I have some many fiends :p
Moch, that wasn't a typo :D

So far no Wiki's so here is the first:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiend

After hearing your tune I know all I need to know about you.:)

mochinist
06-17-2010, 10:36 PM
After hearing your tune I know all I need to know about you.:)http://i50.tinypic.com/jg39s5.gif

dp
06-17-2010, 11:49 PM
I'll have that beer with you but only if I can break the first one over your head!

Whoa - that's a bit harsh. I'd be happy to have a beer with him, and without that qualification :)

There's nothing about not agreeing that says we also have to be disagreeable.

lazlo
06-18-2010, 04:28 AM
Whoa - that's a bit harsh. I'd be happy to have a beer with him, and without that qualification :)

Yah, I would too Dennis :) It would certainly be a lively conversation ;)

Your Old Dog
06-18-2010, 06:08 AM
I had a good nights sleep last night, ate a lot of greens yesterday and made a good trip to the small office. In general, I'm feeling fit and ready to have that beer without any bloodshed or mayhem :D

bborr01
06-18-2010, 10:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bborr01
Typical right wing response.

By contributing, I assume you mean agreeing lock step with your point of view.

Do you honestly believe that conspiracy crap?

Alternative energy is not going away.

Get used to it.

Brian


No Brian, don't project your faults onto me. I found all the responses that I did not agree with as civil with the exception of the one from Mochinist and the other from you. They were personal attacks in nature and offered nothing to the discussion at hand.

Now to answer your few points. No, there has been a lot of room in my life for people I disagree with and no lock-step is necessary. Conspiracy crap? You believe everything the media tells you? If so, that's lock-step. Do you take everything at face value? I believe that not all actions are purely random in nature and some called "cause and effect" is a major player in life. I don't want alternate energy to go away. I just don't want my government to force it to happen. When it is time for alternative energy forms to make sence it will happen naturally without the government stepping in with their poor track record of efficiency.

Brian, get used to this. I ain't going anywhere soon. If you don't like my post then suck it up, be a man and stay away from them. You can do it if you try. I have learned something here from the guys who posted before you but I haven't learned anything from your post as no contribution was made to the discussion. I think Lazlo and I are on opposite sides of the fence but I think we could sit down and have a stimulating conversation about these things in a restaurant without my having the relentless driving desire to throw him through the plate glass window, can't say the same about you.

YOD,

Breaking bottles over someones head.

Throwing ME through a plate glass window.

I think you could use some anger management therapy.

Brian
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Your Old Dog
06-18-2010, 11:46 AM
Breaking the bottle over someones head was a bit of barroom humor. I'm not so sure about the window thing though.

I got kicked out of AM Classes when I explained to the class my fantasy about what I'd like to do to people who call me a trouble maker when I express my opinion.

mochinist
06-18-2010, 11:52 AM
the only thing you'll be throwing out is your back:)