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A.K. Boomer
06-17-2010, 05:07 PM
Iv only owned about ten floppy disks in my life, my last computer didn't even use them, but this one I have now does, so I went to retrieve some old boating pics I had on floppies,
I really was after three on one particular float with a boat I used to own,

Out of many many pics all which were good - two out of the three I was after are bad:( (the only bad ones):mad:

they load 1/4 to 1/3 of the way and are not complete, I tried opening with another program --- same deal,

Is there a trick I can use? i just stuck the floppy in the freezer for a couple minutes and re-tried it, no change, its free, its not warped ----- its also 8 years old since the pics were loaded...

Went boating yesterday and wanted to do a little nostalgic thing today...

Is my pic lost forever?

aboard_epsilon
06-17-2010, 05:38 PM
it's been a long time

but i seem to remember from amiga days ..that if you copy the floppy to a folder on the computer then re-write it back on another floppy ..it sort of fixes it ..i could be wrong ..im talking over 10 years ago here.

thats when the thing only had a floppy drive

i wonder if dragging the files to a folder on the computer instread of opening them up strait from the floppy would fix it

all the best.markj

A.K. Boomer
06-17-2010, 07:05 PM
Thanks Aboard, I tried that earlier and could not do it, just tried again ---

ERROR; copying file or folder

ERROR X can't copy mvc-o62s: cannot read from the source disk....


I tried burning it to CD and then tried viewing - same incomplete pics:(

aboard_epsilon
06-17-2010, 07:11 PM
I just rememberd ..I had two floppy drives ..had one internal and one external ..and using the program "x-copy" ..copied from one floppy to the next ..it was this that fixed them...x-copy may have had some other functions that fixed them ..but its been so long i cant remember.

All the best.markj

John Stevenson
06-17-2010, 07:18 PM
I think they have a limited life.
I still use them as my big CNC is DOS based and can't use USB or such.
the config.sys and Autoexec.bat files are two lines long !!

However I have a stack from ages ago of backup disks, Autosketch for DOS !! etc and when I get these out about half of them don't work.

.

bob_s
06-17-2010, 07:22 PM
Try running

CHKDSK (floppydriveletter)

don't for now use any switches on this command it will give you some very cryptic information regarding what it thinks is wrong with the disk. Like if sectors are cross-linked etc.

If you have an old version of Norton Disc Doctor it would help as that can help unsnarl the tangled files on the disc.

knudsen
06-17-2010, 07:43 PM
If you have the old drive, even if the computer is dead, you could put it in the new computer and it will be more likely to read it.

Otherwise, google and download rawrite and make an image if it on your hard drive, then write that back to a new floppy. Fair chance it will work.

Otherwise, see if you can find a utility to repair floppies or jpegs at tinyapps.org or google.

Otherwise, download knoppix and burn to a cd, boot off it and see if it can open the files. If so burn to CD. It's Linux, but just look for a file manager in the menus then a cd/dvd burner.

Otherwise, let us know and we'll think of something else. There are jpeg repair tools, but it sounds like a bad sector on the floppy. Doesn't mean it can't be fixed if you find a program the retries and retries until it reads it. Data is still there. If you do a jpeg repair tool, best to use the floppy you created with rawrite. You may need to read up and see how to force it to make an image even if thee are errors. If you mail it to me, I'll do my best and e-mail the pics to you if I can get them off.

Once you get those off, burn to CD, thow away your floppies, pull the drive out and drill a hole in it before you through it away, so no one else uses it :D

leesr
06-17-2010, 07:45 PM
AK Boomer

Down load a free program called PC Inspector File Recovery.
it can retrieve the files. but be advise the more times you try to
open the file the more damage it will get.

so stop & down load PC Inspector & follow the prompts.
I have retrieved many of files this way.

Leesr

knudsen
06-17-2010, 07:49 PM
If you have an old version of Norton Disc Doctor it would help as that can help unsnarl the tangled files on the disc.

Probably get that on one of those file sharing thingies where people share programs and music. Not saying that is safe, legal, moral, or that you won't go to hell or prison if you do that tho :rolleyes: I don't use those services. I get tax payers to buy my software :D

Edit, use the free one above, prevent damnation. I would rawrite it first tho. It's probably head misalignment on the old PC. Oh, that's another trick, try other computers. Sliding the write protect tab would be a good idear.

MTNGUN
06-17-2010, 07:54 PM
I still use them as my big CNC is DOS based and can't use USB or such.

However I have a stack from ages ago of backup disks, Autosketch for DOS !! etc and when I get these out about half of them don't work.
Same here. I bought a large box of used floppies off the bay for my CNC app, something like 75% them won't format satisfactorily. They seem to deteriorate with age.

Depends on the PC and the OS, too. Linux seems fussier than Windoze or DOS. And sometimes one drive will be able to read the floppy, but another drive won't.

Other than trying the damaged floppy on a different box, I'm afraid the OP is SOL.

BTW, John, I'm pretty sure you can get DOS to recognize a USB drive, but there is some setup involved, and I haven't been that motivated -- yet.

MaxHeadRoom
06-17-2010, 08:27 PM
BTW, John, I'm pretty sure you can get DOS to recognize a USB drive, but there is some setup involved, and I haven't been that motivated -- yet.

Yes there are a few drivers out there that will work for most thumb drives with DOS.
Just that you cannot hot swap them, you must boot up with the thumb drive in.
Max.

MotorradMike
06-17-2010, 08:35 PM
I'm guessing these are 3-1/2" floppies, you didn't say. Try a different drive if you can. And, probably goes without saying, if you get the files back, save them on the best media known to man, Kodak print paper.

I'm not a computer guy anymore, I knew my way around DOS pretty well but...

John Stevenson
06-17-2010, 08:45 PM
BTW, John, I'm pretty sure you can get DOS to recognize a USB drive, but there is some setup involved, and I haven't been that motivated -- yet.
Can't remember the details it was so long ago the computer was setup with the Ahha software but it's something to do with not allowing any TSR's [ whatever they are ]?

I know it's dated, in fact it's no longer supported but the Ahha software has worked flawlessly, never crashed or had a glitch and that's the honest truth.
Had plenty of other problems, drivers, computers , it eats keyboards and the stupid operator don't help ;)

I could update to say Mach but to be honest it has a couple of features that Mach doesn't and why fix it if it's not broken. It was only about 3 years ago the original 486 fell over and I had to rush out and get a Pentium 233 :rolleyes:

A.K. Boomer
06-17-2010, 09:59 PM
AK Boomer

Down load a free program called PC Inspector File Recovery.
it can retrieve the files. but be advise the more times you try to
open the file the more damage it will get.

so stop & down load PC Inspector & follow the prompts.
I have retrieved many of files this way.

Leesr


Thanks to all for your advice, I just downloaded the PC inspector file recovery and tried it on the file in question - it starts to analyze and quits in a few seconds with this error code
NT_read error
error no. 23
drv: O LBA : 296 blocks:1

at another time it was identical except it said 62 instead of 296

im hating computers again...

rollin45
06-17-2010, 10:03 PM
TSR

terminate stay resident,, virus programs are this way, end the thing from being front and center, but it is still running in the background.

rollin'

A.K. Boomer
06-17-2010, 10:08 PM
What does that mean? are you trying to tell me something to do?

J Tiers
06-17-2010, 10:09 PM
No help to you, of course..... but towards the "end of floppies", when we bought a box of them, over 50% were bad when taken new out of the box....... You could write to them, but the same computer would fail to read its own floppies a week later.

One thing is the head alignment. I understand that on certain drives, the alignment is fairly easily adjustable, and sometimes if you tweak it one way or the other it will read.

Most folks who mess with that have got some way to read the analog level they are getting from the read head. Probably a specialist technique, but at one time I saw a write up on the web somewhere..

All I found now that was halfway informative was this....

http://www.accurite.com/FloppyPrimer.html

A.K. Boomer
06-17-2010, 10:15 PM
You know somethin JT, you might have something there, all my other floppys read and there that old.
this one is a different brand though,

The pics are right there and then blank, almost like it would be a head pick up or something???

A.K. Boomer
06-17-2010, 10:49 PM
OK, this is weird - the last time I tried to bring up the pics ALL were not totally full, so it would not allow me to transfer them anywhere because when I tried Id get some error or something like it not recognizing the format or something (don't hold me to that)

so this time all three pics come up and two still look the same, ones 1/3 loaded and the rest of the lower section is gray, the other is half loaded and the rest of the lower section is gray, but this one im sending was TOTALLY complete - last I seen it was missing a little strip on the bottom that was grayed out,

So - it let me transfer the pic because it was whole (i guess) Because last time I got an error (the time it had the strip missing...)

was going to send the other pics but again - can't transfer - they wont go through because most of them are missing, was just going to send due to someone seeing the picture/non picture pattern and it maybe being a clue.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r249/AK_Boomer/MVC-062S.jpg

So if this one had a problem and now its full can't the same thing happen to the others?

Please help and I'll send the others as this one is kinda lame - the others are very cool as in one im catching a nice boof into a drop and the other is from the back and im entering into a class 4

I want these pics fellas whhhhhaaaaaaa wwwhhhhaaaaaaaa (thanks guys, im a computer idiot and at your mercy)

RB211
06-17-2010, 10:59 PM
Can't remember the details it was so long ago the computer was setup with the Ahha software but it's something to do with not allowing any TSR's [ whatever they are ]?



Terminal Stay Resident programs? Man, been a long time since I had to fix one of those... I seam to recall the format /mbr would remove them.

MTNGUN
06-18-2010, 01:59 AM
So if this one had a problem and now its full can't the same thing happen to the others?
It sounds like the drive is having difficulty reading the file.

Yes, sometimes, if you try over and over again, it'll eventually read the file.

Your best bet is to try yet another PC. However, it sounds like you don't have another floppy drive to play with ? Darned.

I run into similar problems all the time with my floppy files, when the floppy is on its last breath. Sometimes I can get it to work by trying repeatedly, or by trying a different box. Other times, it's a lost cause.

gmatov
06-18-2010, 02:54 AM
Rollin,

I think it is "temporary stay resident". It works till you reboot.

You are going back a few years.

Most 'puters haven't offered floppies for at least 5 years. I always build a floppy into mine, so that I can boot to reinstall 98 then Win2k, since my disks are upgrades.

SOME damned place I have the MS upgrade disks for the Compaq that I finally broke down and bought, because I can't BUILD a machine for less than I can buy it on sale. That's Vista to Win7. And I have probably 17 minutes on that machine in the other room in the last 6 months that it has been burning electricity. Why don't I shut the damned thing down.

Never think about it till I get on someplace like this.

Cheers,

George

Paul Alciatore
06-18-2010, 03:29 AM
Floppy disks do deteriorate with time and use. Also, the original drives were somewhat variable in laying down the tracks in that they could get out of MECHANICAL alignment and the heads would be running centered over the gap between the tracks instead of on one track or the other.

Software fixes are mostly of no use as the drive is just not reading the data. No software can make data out of noise. Also things like copying whole folders will probably fail if you can't read the individual files. There is one kind of software that may be of some use, but it is a last resort. See my last paragraph below.

First, you could try a different drive. Perhaps the drive you are using is off and a good drive will work. Or perhaps your disk was made by a bad drive and a bad one will work.

If that doesn't work, you can try cleaning the drive and the disk. The disks could become dirty and that drit can prevent the data from being read. Clean the drive first. There are cleaning disks for this prupose. They are a somewhat heavy paper like disk and you add a bit of solvernt on them to clean the heads. Just insert them and try to read the disk. The read does not work, but the heads get cleaned.

If cleaning the heads does not work you can try cleaning the disks themselves. If they are 5.25" floppies, there is a window on each side of the jacket where the heads contact the disk. Take a new, clean Kleenex (not the kind with lotion) or a freshly washed undershirt and wipe the exposed area of the disk in these openings. Do it gently but with enough pressure to remove any dirt. Then rotate the disk in the jacket by the width of the windows and clean again with a fresh spot on the Kleenex or undershirt. Continue doing this uintil you have cleaned the entire disk. Then clean the drive again BEFORE putting the disk back in so any dirt on the heads does not get back on the disk.

If it is a 3.5" floppy, there is a metal cover over these windows. Just slide it back and clean as above.

If all the above does not work, there is one final thing you could try. Remember I said that the drives often got out of alignment. Perhaps the disks were recorded with the wrong track alignment. However, a little known secret is that the drives did not step the heads in whole track widths. They were all built to step in 1/2 track increments. So it may be possible to read the files if you can get some software that allows "half tracking". This "feature" was used for copy protection by some early programmers. Information that was needed for running their program was stored in a "half track" or a track that was between two actual tracks. Actually the two standard tracks weren't there, but only a single track that was half way between where they would have been. Programs were written to find and read this kind of hidden data and if you could find one, it may be able to read the lost pictures. Look for a program that is advertised to allow copying "copy protected" floppy disks.

leesr
06-18-2010, 03:44 AM
Thanks to all for your advice, I just downloaded the PC inspector file recovery and tried it on the file in question - it starts to analyze and quits in a few seconds with this error code
NT_read error
error no. 23
drv: O LBA : 296 blocks:1

at another time it was identical except it said 62 instead of 296

im hating computers again...

To bad

then the data is doomed.
floppys are not a reliable backup

what operating system was used to backup on the floppy's
& what are you using now.

Leesr

ptjw7uk
06-18-2010, 04:10 AM
Paul that trick could only be used if the disk was created with an 80 track drive and read on a 40 track drive also could only be created using a virgin disk as the 40 track read would have half track noise and half data.
There used to be a program that could refresh the disk sector information only, so long ago I've forgot the name and the program.
I also remember that there was a problem with dos in that if you removed the disk before it had rewritten the directory you had 'lost' files etc.
Best to try different drives one may read the data, if it does copy quickly.

peter

Just had a quick look on the web you could try badcopy, I've had some success with that
http://www.jufsoft.com/badcopy/floppy_recovery.asp?rid=google&kid=gc1502
Peter

Also just found Flobo
http://www.floborecoverysoft.com/Flobo%20Floppy%20Repair%20Tool.exe
free download.

Peter

A.K. Boomer
06-18-2010, 08:20 AM
Thanks for the info, PTJW7UK I tried the bad copy ---- believe it or not it got more of the pic on one of them but still half the pic is missing - instead of gray its filling it in with pink, and in some sections its like its a glaze over of other sections of river that definitely do not belong there but its all pink. very strange.

So --- im going to see if my friends computer has a floppy drive and check out my bro's too, I really believe its the way the machine is trying to read it and as one article put it - both heads can be close to normal operation parameters but all it takes is for the machine that copied it to be at one end of the spectrum whilst the one that's reading it to be at the other, then when you consider that there are so many variables in all the ways the alignments have to be the possibilities for errors gets vast...

I can't believe that out of all my old pics these are the one's I set out after, and I can't believe that out of the two out of the three that I wanted most that there the ones I can't retrieve --------- I swear to god its like computers can read my mind and then trash whats important to me...

maybe there's some kind of infrared heat sensor on my monitor that knows when im getting pissed so it knows just what buttons to push...........:mad:

Paul Alciatore
06-18-2010, 12:11 PM
Paul that trick could only be used if the disk was created with an 80 track drive and read on a 40 track drive also could only be created using a virgin disk as the 40 track read would have half track noise and half data.
There used to be a program that could refresh the disk sector information only, so long ago I've forgot the name and the program.
I also remember that there was a problem with dos in that if you removed the disk before it had rewritten the directory you had 'lost' files etc.
Best to try different drives one may read the data, if it does copy quickly.

peter

Just had a quick look on the web you could try badcopy, I've had some success with that
http://www.jufsoft.com/badcopy/floppy_recovery.asp?rid=google&kid=gc1502
Peter

Also just found Flobo
http://www.floborecoverysoft.com/Flobo%20Floppy%20Repair%20Tool.exe
free download.

Peter

Not true. ALL the 40 track drives were mechanically capable of half stepping. As I said, it was little known. I am not sure about the 80 track ones, but I suspect they could half track also. This is true for drives made for other kinds of computers as well. The drives for the Comodore 64 were that way. The Microsoft operating systems DID NOT HAVE ANY PROVISION FOR USING THIS. Neither did any other brands of operating systems. Special software was needed. This is why it was used for copy protection. A copy made with any normal disk copy routine would not work as the half track information was not copied.

Somewhere along the line copy protection went in another direction, probably because programs were published to get around these simple schemes. It sems that today the only serious copy protection is a dongle. I do not have the names of any of the older programs, but a web search should yield something.

leesr
06-18-2010, 03:11 PM
remember while back with the first zip drives. the drive would go bad with out the users not even having a clue, causing all their data getting corrupted. & corrupting the data on the computer. Thats why it's a bad thing.

floppy drive have the same issues, drives die , so continue trying to use a drive that is malfunctioning is a bad idea.
replace the the floppy drive, FD are very very cheap , $10 bucks.
for generic computer, a lot more if it's a name brand like HP.

The reason I asked what OS (Operating System) was used to record the on to the floppy's & what OS was used trying to open them sometimes going from one computer to an other sometime a malfunctioning drive will record
funky, so the next computer will not be able to open it.

Cheers

Leesr

A.K. Boomer
06-18-2010, 04:00 PM
That's going way back but I think it was windows 98,,, would that make a diff.?

just tried scan disk on it and it works for the first clean up error mode but then gets hooked on the recovering bad sectors and can't continue.

Its not the floppy drive, just went to my bro's and tried his, pics look the same - first one loads and the other two don't completely...

leesr
06-18-2010, 05:31 PM
Take the floppy drive to your local computer shop, maybe even try best buy let them try to recover the data for you.
where are you located at.

Cheers
Leesr

A.K. Boomer
06-18-2010, 07:02 PM
Take the floppy drive to your local computer shop, maybe even try best buy let them try to recover the data for you.
where are you located at.

Cheers
Leesr



I called around local, local guy told me to try the scandisk on it (which I did)

Im about 35 miles from a best buy - would call first before making that trip..

I just had a thought ----------------- Are these discs subject to shrinkage over time?
Its almost like the pics were progressively damaged in the way their trying to load, the first one's good then the other two close to the same.

If this internal disk shrinks that could explain allot, and now that I got the first pic copied would it be worth deleting it on the disc, then It might pic up at a brand new sector and hold that as the start positioning so shrinkage would not be progressive (at least till I get to the third pic)

aboard_epsilon
06-18-2010, 07:23 PM
if they were anything like mine ..you stacked them together with others.and the magnetism on the others effected this one ...also i think the magnetism diminishes over time....so the info on them fades

all the best.markj

A.K. Boomer
06-18-2010, 07:36 PM
Yes they sat together for about 8 years,

Just tried my delete the good one theory --- no change...

Wonder how many of you remember the "pleasant" noise these pieces of crap make while trying to work,,, another huge plus in trying to push a guy over the edge...

leesr
06-19-2010, 01:40 AM
Yes they sat together for about 8 years,

Just tried my delete the good one theory --- no change...

Wonder how many of you remember the "pleasant" noise these pieces of crap make while trying to work,,, another huge plus in trying to push a guy over the edge...

when your hear that coffee grind noise it makes then it sends shivers down my spine because I know there's a problem.

I forgetting a lot of stuff, but if PC file recovery would not work the next thing to try is spin rite. it was pretty good in it's day.

8 years is a long time for floppy's, must of being win 95, 98 or 2k at the time
use can air & blow off any dust that may accumulated. dust is bad for the drive.

oh one other thing to try is Insert the floppy into the drive & use Windows explorer then go to my computer, then drive -A-, then at tab select edit select all, then copy.
make a new folder on my documents, then paste to it see if it can grab the files & move them to your hard drive. it's Worth a try. if it will copy it
it may save some of the pictures.

Cheers
Leesr

ldn
06-19-2010, 03:09 AM
Just keep trying different drives, don't throw out your disks.

Also, you may have one error in a file that will prevent the whole rest of the file from loading. Copying with a sector editor will allow you to get all of the information that may be available.

Keep in mind that if your original drive was old when you wrote those disks, it may have been misaligned itself. It might be a matter of just chancing upon another drive that is misaligned in the same way.

Do you know anyone with Linux? Have them run the program "dd" to copy all of the drives sectors one by one to a disk image, and then mount the disk image. That will let you read the files in their entirety, even if some pieces of the data are corrupted.

ptjw7uk
06-19-2010, 04:38 AM
I second the trying other drives but just dont try writting to the disk or deleting anything.

The main problem with floppy's is I think down to the way the system stores the files on the disk. If the disk has continually been used to rewrite data then it is usual for the data to become fragmented ie the data is spread over the disk in different areas. When I was a network manager most of the floppy disk problems were from people who saved all their data to floppy and the disk was well used, and hence the problem.
The other problem is that the sector information is not rewritten along with the data so on an older disk the track info can be scrambled.
peter

steve45
06-19-2010, 11:22 AM
Magnetic media does deteriorate with age. I cringe when I think of all those millions of people that have videos of their weddings, graduations, etc. stored on video tape that will go bad.

A.K. Boomer
06-19-2010, 01:20 PM
I second the trying other drives but just dont try writting to the disk or deleting anything.

The main problem with floppy's is I think down to the way the system stores the files on the disk. If the disk has continually been used to rewrite data then it is usual for the data to become fragmented ie the data is spread over the disk in different areas. When I was a network manager most of the floppy disk problems were from people who saved all their data to floppy and the disk was well used, and hence the problem.
The other problem is that the sector information is not rewritten along with the data so on an older disk the track info can be scrambled.
peter


PTJW7UK,
I have to say youv hit the nail on the head,,, this disk had other files on it that were "erased" and what I just found this morning sounds exactly like what your talking about...

Here's an interesting update as of this morning with a fresh cup of joe,
I went back into the "badcopy" program you recommended and started snooping around,
I found out there were two options and I only used the "rescue corrupted files" one,
The other one is "rescue lost files"
with a mode 1 and a mode two,
Here's the thing - when I first tried the mode 1 it went all the way through without stalling out,
then there was a preview the pics option and I did,
It was amazing ---------- the first one (that iv never been able to retrieve) was almost a totally complete pic ! it had a separation line between the top and bottom and that line was made of some other section of river from another pic, the top and bottom were different color (i think there doing this so you cant use the pic)
The second pic was allot more of the same --- what im saying is the info appears to be there --- its just scrambled
I basically seen the pics...
then it asks to reconstruct (or something like that) and save - then when I go to do that it directs me to "badcopy pro" and you have to spend 39.95 in order to get the final refined copies...
I don't want to spend 40 bucks on two pics - but its great to know that the info is still on this disk...


Now what would you do?

ptjw7uk
06-19-2010, 01:27 PM
I will have to look in my old disks and see if I have a copy of 'badcopy', I know I had it once but not used it for years as I was working as a network manager and we backed up the servers every night so had at least 9 copies of everything except that what people put on their floppies!

Peter

A.K. Boomer
06-19-2010, 01:50 PM
For what its worth it some of the tools iv been using "badcopy" and scandisk have stated that I have "bad sectors"

I downloaded that flobo program that you gave and it stated that it will fix all the bad sectors --- but ALL INFORMATION WILL BE LOST! so im not going there...:p

danlb
06-19-2010, 08:05 PM
For all the reasons mentioned above, there is still hope.

First; don't do anything else to the original disk or you may corrupt it.

You get different results when you try different times so it is ALMOST reading the data. Sometimes it gets further than other times. If you can get just one clean copy of each file you will be OK.

I've run into floppies (and hard drives) that were written when the drive was in one orientation (flat on a table) and then would not read reliably when mounted vertically on the cabinet. For that reason I'd try reading the files with the computer in different orientations.

I've also seen a drive that had a 'pressure pad' that the disk rested against. This put the disk in a particular alignment despite the fact that the spindle was supposed to do that. Try reading the picture, and when it starts to make that ugly noise, gently press the edge of the disk with your finger (or paper clip or screwdriver, depending on the drive) to see of it will suddenly read.

I used to have programs that would try hundreds of times to read bad sectors, and it would slowly build up a good copy over the course of the day. The trick was that it kept track of what it was able to read sucessfully, and only concentrated on the bad ones. I don't know if there are sny such programs around anymore. I don't use Windows much.

Good luck

Dan

A.K. Boomer
06-25-2010, 09:32 AM
This is as good as it gets with just using the computer clean up,

Im wary of ordering any software due tot he fact that the pics are discolored,

I can see the software fixing the mix-up probs but whats up with the pic discoloration?


http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r249/AK_Boomer/MVC-078S.jpg

A.K. Boomer
06-25-2010, 09:36 AM
and the other one;


http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r249/AK_Boomer/MVC-066S.jpg

gmatov
06-26-2010, 02:31 AM
Boomer,

If you want, send me the disc. I'll try my program on it. No guarantee, but it is probably better than what you have been trying. No charge.

I play at this, and I am retired. Keeps me active.

Cheers,

George

A.K. Boomer
06-26-2010, 09:55 AM
Thank you for the generous offer George, I might take you up on it if you don't think it will be erased during shipping (scanners?)
For now it's become a part time obsession in the mornings - probably something to keep me downloading programs till I catch another bug that destroys this computer...:p
This is how computer stuff goes for me, im getting kinda used to it, just can't figure how all this electronic crap knows what's important to me and then goes in and jacks with it while leaving everything else alone...

The two main pics out of about 100 that I was after:(

BTW, that boat was only as tall as I am, it made every section of river double the excitement...

gmatov
06-27-2010, 03:08 AM
Boomer,

My kids like doing that at Ohiopyle, here in PA, they can't take the 5 and 7 YOs on the really white stuff, the spume and flume, but I am sure they will in future. I am only Jedo, Grandpap, I don't count.

As far as I am concerned, only idjits would "run rapids".

Send it or no. If you like, I will try. If I can't, I can't, if I can, I can.

Cheers,

George

oldbikerdude37
06-27-2010, 03:59 AM
Try http://www.z-a-recovery.com/download.htm

The free version works good even if the disk has been formated.

Too_Many_Tools
06-29-2010, 02:35 AM
Magnetic media does deteriorate with age. I cringe when I think of all those millions of people that have videos of their weddings, graduations, etc. stored on video tape that will go bad.


ALL media deteriorates with age.

Most of us have already lost important info..we just haven't realized it yet.

TMT

Farbmeister
06-29-2010, 12:44 PM
You have to realize that a picture is a long stream of 1's and 0's, but when grouped together properly, in the proper order, they convey an image.

Lose one or two bits? not that big a deal. Lose to many and the sequence is halted, and the program tries to regroup them in a way that fits what left. If they are JPEG (JPG) images you are done. JPG is an encoded format that is ''lossy" (the reduction in file size is the result of mathematical equations designed to strip out as much data as possible, yet still allow us to see the image.

Be happy you got what you got. There are probably is high end imaging software that can correct for some loss of data... but your picture is not coming back.

REAL data recovery services have 4 and 5 digit price tags that can do (seemingly) amazing things.. but in actuality the number of specific defects they can overcome is quite small.

KIMFAB
06-30-2010, 02:58 AM
Here is one more thing to try. Take the disc and hold it vertical and bang it down on each of the four edges and try it again.
I have had this work when all else failed.

As was mentioned before try another drive. I have found that an unreadable disc in one computer can be read in another.
At least that is the excuse that I use for having 9 computers on line.

Farbmeister
06-30-2010, 07:38 AM
Don't forget to stand on one leg when you bang the disk. Left leg for the Northern Hemisphere, Right for the Southern.

The aide of 3 or 4 white candles, oriented to the points of a compass has also helped some, but only for exe files.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Just kidding. Head alignment and motor RPM all vary from drive to drive.

airsmith282
06-30-2010, 07:51 AM
find some one with and older macintosh computer, thats running IS 9 or 8 and slap in the floppy macs can read PC disks make and empty folder inside the disk takeit out reincert it to the drive and while going that hold down the comand and option keys on the keyboard so it will ask you if your sure you want to rebuild the desktop file then click yes, once complet open the disk and delete the empty folder, incert into the pc and all should be good this process works 9 out of 10 times , PC do not have a desk top fileing system however macs do and you are able to to repair PC disks and even hardrive this way on a mac, most of the time,,

if the mac cant fix it then you mat have to find another way. i did this for my typing class techer in colledge she was unable to to open her 9 year old disk so i told her to give me the disk i had my mac laptop with me at the time, fixed it right up back in busiess she was and i scored A+ for my finel mark

i have also done this many times sence and only a the odd time it was unable to be done, i still have an older mac system in the house to this day. mind you i dont use floppy disks any more my self but i still repair computers when asked..

A.K. Boomer
06-30-2010, 08:46 AM
Thanks for all the advice --- tried about everything except the older mac thing and still might have to give that a try --- BUT --- it may all be for moot,

I ran into an old kayaking friend at the river yesterday - haven't seen him in five years, we talked - then I drove home - then I realized this is the guy who snapped the shots!, go back and find him and he says they might be on his old comp. which he hasn't used in like 3 years!

We shall see.