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06-19-2010, 06:59 AM
I have a kidney that is failing due to a blockage of the ureter by a fairly large kidney stone. I just received a call late Friday from the doctor at the University Teaching Hospital in Prince George to be there for 8:30 this am for surgery. They will be removing the stone the "hard way" if you get my drift. :eek:

I may be off line for a few days so don't think that I have given up on you guys.

I had a CT scan very recently and I requested the disk of the images so I could apply some of my own imaging enhancement techniques. I am allergic to the contrast dye they use which is unfortunate because it provides much greater detail in the images. I used some of my own special methods to make up for that deficit and worked up a nice three dimensional image for the doctors. When I showed it to my doctor he was amazed since they do not normally provide anything like it to the family doctor. When I spoke to the surgeon he was also very interested and wants to see it so I am bringing a copy with me for him to use when he operates. It's a bit dicey because the stone is right up against the Vena Cava and close to the Aorta so lithotropsy can't be used.

To see this properly you need some red/green or red/blue glasses with red on the left.


06-19-2010, 07:09 AM
I see your problem - your wires and pipes are all fuzzed-up :D

Good luck with your treatment Evan - hope you're not too 'sore' afterwards!

Liger Zero
06-19-2010, 07:16 AM
Now wait a gosh darn moment here Evan... with all your technical knowhow can't you build some sort of quantum-phase-shift kidney-stone translocation attachment for your lathe?! :confused:

But seriously, get well. I enjoy your posts... you are one of the main reasons I come here. :)

06-19-2010, 07:52 AM
I had a kidney stone removed a few years ago. They used an ultrasonic device to break the stone into more 'manageable' pieces.

06-19-2010, 07:59 AM
The doctor will be shooting this one with a laser to break it up.

06-19-2010, 08:11 AM
friggin ouch ! good luck, heal fast and get back to whatever you are doing this week !

06-19-2010, 08:16 AM
Gotta leave in a couple of minutes. Later.

06-19-2010, 08:17 AM
Best of luck.

Very interesting picture.

06-19-2010, 08:39 AM
That's a pisser! Hope you you do great! If they don't answer the nurses call button start throwing things into the hall way. Feel better soon. Fred

06-19-2010, 08:49 AM
I hope it all goes well.
Get back on your feet soon!

Todd Tolhurst
06-19-2010, 10:38 AM
Get better, Evan.

06-19-2010, 11:42 AM
Best wishes on your treatment. I never had a stone like that but I know folks who have and they aren't fun.

In fact, not making a comparison here to the genus caninus, but we just spent a bundle on having a whole bunch of bladder stones removed from our Jack Russel terrier. She's only 5 years old and in otherwise perfect condtion. The vet put her on a special diet and she's doing fine a year later.

Hang in there! :)

06-19-2010, 11:47 AM
Best of luck to you and I hope you are on the mend in short order.


A.K. Boomer
06-19-2010, 11:53 AM
Speedy recovery Ev, It seems the older we get the more "barnacles" we accumulate...:(

Your Old Dog
06-19-2010, 11:58 AM
Good luck Evan, I think it's pretty routine stuff these days but that don't mean it won't be uncomfortable for a bit.

My boss had passed one and he was a pretty hurting buck-a-roo till he healed up. When he came back to work I found the corner of a building brick in the parking lot about the size of a golf ball. I took it up to the mens room and wet it, wrapped it in some wet paper towels and took it over to his desk and opened the paper towels with hunched over and pained look and asked if I could have a couple extra minutes for lunch as I had just past this! He opened his desk drawer and said "here, put it in here with the rest of them"! :D

I think we should start a new thread on whether or not Evans stone is conservative or liberal and how to stop the leak ? :D

Tony Ennis
06-19-2010, 12:54 PM
Quick healing mojo!

06-19-2010, 12:58 PM
You'll be back home when you read this. Hope everything came out ok:D Peter

Liger Zero
06-19-2010, 01:04 PM
The doctor will be shooting this one with a laser to break it up.

I thought you had some kind of laser... or is that Macona? :confused:


06-19-2010, 03:08 PM

Finally we get to see the inside of Evan's brain.:D

06-19-2010, 03:21 PM
Good luck and get well soon!!!

06-19-2010, 03:32 PM
Best of luck w/ recovery!

06-19-2010, 03:51 PM
Get well soon.

06-19-2010, 04:37 PM
hope all goes well

all the best.markj

06-19-2010, 04:38 PM
The doctor will be shooting this one with a laser to break it up.

Sounds like percutaneous nephrostolithotomy? General anesthesia, but only a day or two in the hospital.

Get well!

I thought you had some kind of laser... or is that Macona?

I've got a 50W Nd:YAG Laser. Now all we need is to cobble a wave-guide and a ureteroscope. Hmm... :p

j king
06-19-2010, 05:42 PM
Best wishes and a fast recovery. Hurry..who will John spar with LOL!!

Liger Zero
06-19-2010, 05:45 PM
I've got a 50W Nd:YAG Laser. Now all we need is to cobble a wave-guide and a ureteroscope. Hmm... :p

Will that be enough? He's all the way in Canada! :D

06-19-2010, 07:24 PM
Finally we get to see the inside of Evan's brain.:D

All twisted & full of junk :D .

Hope you get well soon Evan,
BTW, clever rendering.
kind regards

06-19-2010, 07:30 PM
Evan: You are in my prayers. Gary P. Hansen

John Stevenson
06-19-2010, 07:38 PM

You are taking the piss ??

Ooops sorry you can't :D


john hobdeclipe
06-19-2010, 08:32 PM
Hope everything goes OK.

06-19-2010, 08:51 PM
I see your problem ... you're anemic and got no color :D

Or as my elderly aunts used to say, you need to get more sunshine :D

Best of luck with the procedure and hope you're back making chips soon.


Your Old Dog
06-19-2010, 09:19 PM
Evan I ran your image of the problem through Photoshop CS2 and using different filters I have revealed another problem for you to be aware of.

http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/45022/2935578150102651310S600x600Q85.jpg (http://family.webshots.com/photo/2935578150102651310HllaLC)

06-19-2010, 09:45 PM
Speed recovery Evan, hope they can break that thing up. If not,,,, it's going to be like peeing a peach seed.:eek:
Best wishes

06-19-2010, 09:51 PM
Ouch! My brother had one that was 20mm:eek: :eek:

Your in our prayers here,take care.

J Tiers
06-19-2010, 10:22 PM
Dang, Evan, that thing looks like a robin's egg.....

I had a stone that was a whole lot smaller, but it made me feel like I had been run through with a dull spear.

That "robin's egg" looks like it could make a person well and truly grumpy...... best of luck with getting rid of it.

06-20-2010, 06:17 AM
Wish you a speedy return to normal operation Evan. Are you sure there is no airbrushing in you pictures?
Best regards

John Stevenson
06-20-2010, 06:27 AM
That "robin's egg" looks like it could make a person well and truly grumpy......

That could account for recent posts.

06-20-2010, 06:29 AM
I have a kidney that is failing due to a blockage of the ureter by a fairly large kidney stone.

Thats not much of a penis.. no wonder the ureter is blocked! ;) ;)

Seriously though, the best of luck and best wishes for a speedy full recovery to you Evan.

06-20-2010, 08:49 AM

Don't know when you'll read this, but I hope all goes well and wish you a speedy recovery!!!!

andy b.

A.K. Boomer
06-20-2010, 10:16 AM
I hope he doesn't read this till its all over too --- I have a friend who had one removed - they gave it back to him and he had it in a jar, It looked like these things we call "goat heads" around here, they are responsible for 99% of the flat tires I get on my Mt. bike....:eek:

brian Rupnow
06-20-2010, 11:10 AM
Evan---I hope this bad spot in your life is soon behind you. Best wishes, and get well soon. ---Brian

06-20-2010, 12:24 PM
Evan, Hope all goes well with your surgery. Never had stones myself but my brother in law gets them all the time. No fun at all. Take care.

06-20-2010, 12:40 PM
Evan - that doesn't look like a stone - it looks like an asteroid! Hope it clears out with out much fuss, and they don't have to pull out the Dremel.

06-20-2010, 12:41 PM
I'mmmm BACK! :D

That was pretty easy. I am now totally impressed by our medical system, especially considering where we live. A couple of moths ago I suffered an attack of biliary colic, which is a gall bladder issue. I wound up in emergency where I was prescribed some pain killers since that is all that could be done at the local hospital on a Sunday evening. In the AM it was much better and I went in to see my family doctor. He diagnosed it as a gall bladder infection of unknown origin and gave me a course of antibiotics that cleared it up in a few days. As a precaution he also ordered a CT Scan to make sure that I didn't have gall stones.

Since the CT scan was only precautionary I wasn't on the fast track for it so I had to wait a month until the regularly scheduled day came around for local scanning procedures. I could have had it right away but I can't drive long distances and it is very difficult for my wife to take time off her job right now.

The scan was done and I received the results a couple of weeks ago. I worked up the images and took them in to show my doctor. The radiologist was surprised to find the kidney stone and my doctor was both surprised and amazed at the images I gave him. That convinced him that this need to be attended to quickly so he put in a referral marked "urgent". That is next to top priority with the reason being that I was pain free at the time. Not really pain free but the pain wasn't standing out above the normal pain background I always have. On Friday the urologist in the City of Prince George called me. Prince George is about a three hour drive to the north of us and is home to the University of Northern British Columbia School of Medicine. The University is quite new having been established 20 years ago. It is a top quality institution with very highly qualified people.

Since it was established the regional hospital has been greatly upgraded to the now named University Hospital of Northern BC. It is a full equipped teaching hospital with all the very latest equipment and technology. The operating rooms operate 24/7 if necessary and specialists are available at any time.

The urologist called me Friday and he had not yet even seen my CT scan images. I described them to him and he decided that I required immediate surgery. We drove up Saturday AM and I was admitted immediately. I had to wait a few hours for two trauma cases to be dealt with and then had the surgery at around noon. I was under general anaesthetic for about 1 1/2 hours.

The safety protocols are impressive. Every person in the operating room including the two doctors and the two surgical nurses interviewed me before the procedure. Each had the same comprehensive checklist of questions about allergies, previous medical treatments and illnesses to fill in. Each person took my answers and made their own notes on their copy of the checklist according to how it would affect their role in the procedure.

The Operating theatre is equally impressive. It is huge, covering about 10,000 sq feet of floor area. That includes the recovery beds and major equipment that is instantly available to the surgical team. There is an MRI located within 20 feet of the actual operating table and the table can be wheeled during surgery to the MRI for immediate imaging.

I had spoken at length with the anaesthesiologist about my sensitivities to various drugs including especially anaesthetics. He took very careful note of this and explained that he would use a very light dose, just enough to keep me immobile and barely unconscious.

I went out like a light on the table taking note that the stirrups are now leather padded. :D A few subjective moments later I woke up in the recovery area. I came to as if I had only been sleeping, no fuzziness or nausea. I experienced no side effects from the anaesthesia at all. I was up and walking within a few minutes and had a post op interview with the surgeon. He explained what he had done and expects no more problems in the future. The success rate for laser lithotripsy is 99% plus and the side effects are minimal, much better than with ultrasonic lithotripsy. Ultrasonic lithotripsy has a much higher rate of stone recurrence and incidental organ damage.

I am slightly sore in the urethra and I am not to do anything for a week. I have a stent that I pull out myself at the end of the week via a bit of fishing line with a tag on it. The surgeon is of the opinion that he found and removed all of the major pieces of the boulder so that I shouldn't experience any further discomfort passing left over bits.

I am happy to pay my monthly insurance premium for this kind of service. Our medical system is provincially run, not federal, and it is apparent we are getting our money's worth.

I posted this to help inform those of you that may be facing such a procedure in the future. Some of you will, there is no doubt, and it may help you to decide what course of action to take. It is important to take charge of your own medical care when and if need be. It will help you get the kind of treatment you want.

Thanks for all the good wishes guys, this turned out to be really easy and a full recovery is assured. I hope the same for anybody else that requires such treatment in the future.

06-20-2010, 01:54 PM
Great news Evan. It's no good extolling the virtues of national health Evan, the folks south of the border have a closed mind where that is concerned. Good to see everything came out ok. Peter

06-20-2010, 02:29 PM
Good to see you back so soon and with so little difficulty, considering all the possibilities. Wishing you an easy and speedy recovery. Or should that be "Live long and prosper"?

06-20-2010, 02:49 PM
It's no good extolling the virtues of national health Evan, the folks south of the border have a closed mind where that is concerned.

There are many of us in the USA who would love to have a national/provincial healthcare system.

Evan, glad to see you up and about...

- Bart

06-20-2010, 02:52 PM
Congrats on the recovery Evan,

Kidney stones are no fun. I have had your recent experience 4 times now. What you describe as procedure is pretty standard processes. My last surgery was as you describe with interviews and such. What with the concern for people dying from miscommunication the interview process and note taking is quite commonly done now.

You'll be fine. Not a big deal. The stones that get removed are actually a better deal than the ones that are "almost" small enough to pass. When they aren't broken and removed you get to pass them...and they aren't round...smooth or comfortable to dispose of in the normal manner. The kind you pass are surely made of large shards of glass followed by several gallons of acid.

The lab will surely test the remains of the stone to determine what it is made of. Your doctor should give you recommendations regarding changes in your diet to prevent the formation of another stone. There are a few different compositions of calcium that form stones. Some dietary alterations can prevent or at least slow your stone growth. Drinking extra water and relieving yourself frequently is a must. If you are on a well you might think about having your water tested for content. Drinking extra water that is full of calcium would be a bad thing. Steer clear of sports drinks that brag about supplements and electrolytes. Cranberry juice is well tolerated and is beneficial to flushing the kidneys. I drink it often and never sit with a full bladder. If I have the hint to go.....I damn well...go. Driving truck was the worst for me as I used to go for a LONG time without peeing. That is a bad practice for stone makers.

I find it interesting how the American view on government run health care is so amusing to those that have it. Lets not take Evan's kidney issue into a political pissing match about government run health care. Brockley's comment is clearly a fishing trip for comment. There are obvious differences in opinion about health management....lets leave it alone. This just screams 14 page OT pissing match about politics, taxes and the merits of big brother handling your medical needs. Both countries have most excellent abilities in the medical field so it really isn't an issue of quality. It is an issue of how it is paid for. Money, taxes and value of services rendered are hot button issues. We Americans and our Canadian neighbors have many issues we don't agree on....we certainly won't solve them here in a machinist list.


06-20-2010, 03:24 PM

Thanks for sharing this experience !

I do appreciate your machining related posts here. I appreciate this post even more as it may be more relevant at some point in time.

Glad things worked out so well for you !


Black Forest
06-20-2010, 04:36 PM
Glad it all worked out for you Evan.

I passed 12 kidney stones when I was in my twenties. The phrase of pissing barbed wire is very accurate.

Your Old Dog
06-20-2010, 04:46 PM
Nice to have you back and doing nothing as per doctors orders. Should give some of the rest of us a chance to catch up! I guess the cement block that I spotted behind your little stone was not much of a problem for you.

http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/45022/2935578150102651310S600x600Q85.jpg (http://family.webshots.com/photo/2935578150102651310HllaLC)

Rich Carlstedt
06-20-2010, 04:47 PM
Best Wishes for a speedy recovery
and thanks for the very technical description.
I would hesitate to describe the removal of my tailbone in such detail!

06-20-2010, 04:57 PM
Nice to have you back and doing nothing as per doctors orders. Should give some of the rest of us a chance to catch up! I guess the cement block that I spotted behind your little stone was not much of a problem for you.

http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/45022/2935578150102651310S600x600Q85.jpg (http://family.webshots.com/photo/2935578150102651310HllaLC)

Ha...now that is funny.....I wish I had such mastery of manipulating images as some of you do. I laughed out loud on that one. I guess having stones and experiencing the pain...makes that block even funnier.

06-20-2010, 05:13 PM
Glad you made it ok, take it easy.

06-20-2010, 05:15 PM
Get well real soon Evan,we need something to read on here.

06-20-2010, 05:52 PM
Good luck Evan..............

06-20-2010, 07:19 PM
I used to work with a guy that passed those things periodically. OUCH!

Evan, I hope to see you back soon, maybe not as full of p*ss and vinegar ;)



Skipped to the end to post and then I learn you are back already. Glad it worked out favorably.

06-20-2010, 10:50 PM
congrats on making a quick job of it! ... always leaving no stone left unturned

grabs coat :)

06-21-2010, 09:26 PM

I am glad things are working out so well...

I could not help but think how bad we are told national health care is for populations under it, like in Canada!

Amazes me that you were so lucky!

Just joking! I have some years under a national health care system too in the past...and don't really fear the issue should it come to the US.

Stay well and healthy!

06-21-2010, 10:28 PM
Glad to hear you are doing well. I am finally back on the forum after suffering through less than perfect Wifi at several stops along the way. After some messing around my Ipad is working on 3G in the US. What a pain to get activated as you have to have a US address and a matching card to activate. Thanks to a cousin I got around the games.

06-22-2010, 05:36 PM
Sorry Mac, the devil made me do it:D Peter

oil mac
06-22-2010, 07:11 PM
Glad to read it worked out well Evan, Hope you will soon be back making things

06-23-2010, 01:20 AM

Maybe a lot of us, but not enough of us. There are 40 or so in the US Senat who do NOT want Nationalized Insurance. BILLIONS more to be bilked from us with the present system.

Hey, what the hell, we only spend 1/6 of our GNP on medical care that is subpar, and the rest of the world is cheap. They only spend 1/12 or less of their GNP on medical care. Our care has to be TWICE as good as the rest of the World, since we pay twice as much.

As to the BS that the SOCIALISTIC Health Care Systems in other countries, Evan posted first on 6/19, 3 days ago. NOW, he has been treated. That says those who tell you you will wait years for treatment is BS.

BUT, it is good Rep BS. WAY too much money to be made with the status quo. Money made, lots more donations to the Reps, and to some of the recalcitrant Dems. Kind of depends on if they have investment funds in those sectors, as with the Judge who put the injunction on the Moratorium on drilling in the Gulf. A bit of HIS money is invested in drilling and cementing companies, Transocean and Halliburton, AND assorted funds with BONYMellon, and another one.