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J Tiers
06-19-2010, 11:27 PM
Estate of Ernest Trova......

Sale listed "many tools", which should include lots of semi-smith tools. And also mentioned the shuttle running from a parking lot to the sale, etc..... I bet it was a complete madhouse.

While it might be interesting to have a genuine Trova hammer, I declined the honor...... I doubted possession would improve my craftsmanship or originality....

Too_Many_Tools
06-20-2010, 12:16 AM
Estate of Ernest Trova......

Sale listed "many tools", which should include lots of semi-smith tools. And also mentioned the shuttle running from a parking lot to the sale, etc..... I bet it was a complete madhouse.

While it might be interesting to have a genuine Trova hammer, I declined the honor...... I doubted possession would improve my craftsmanship or originality....

Which planet was it on?

TMT

EddyCurr
06-20-2010, 12:29 AM
Mr Trova's obituary, as published in the NYT.


Ernest Trova, ‘Falling Man’ Artist, Is Dead at 82 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/14/arts/design/14trova.html)
By Bruce Weber
NYT 2009.03.13

Ernest Trova, an artist whose signature creation, a gleaming humanoid
known as “Falling Man,” appeared in a series of sculptures and paintings
and became a symbol of an imperfect humanity hurtling into the future,
died at home on Sunday in Richmond Heights, Mo., near St. Louis. He
was 82.

The cause was congestive heart failure, said his son, Ernest Tino Trova.

...

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dp
06-20-2010, 12:41 AM
I guess I'm one of those "I know art when I see it" types but missed it with Trova's toys.

oldtiffie
06-20-2010, 12:56 AM
Dennis:

"How great thou (thine?) art"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCP7X92ynWg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMIDfTcMuAM

dp
06-20-2010, 02:13 AM
Dennis:

"How great thou (thine?) art"?



I swear I could walk around Barcelona for a week and never find anything interesting to photograph. I'm very thankful that Gaudi did not live in Seattle. Some stuff is just crap :)

Now this is art! http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2235

oldtiffie
06-20-2010, 02:43 AM
Musta been a pretty big guy Dennis.

Did he die with 'em on?

Must've bin sum 'orse he wuz ridin' too.

I thort everywun 'n' everyfing woz dat big 'n Texas.

John Stevenson
06-20-2010, 06:23 AM
I hate art galleries, all that wasted space. Why do they only have to display one object per acre ?

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andy_b
06-20-2010, 09:54 AM
I don't get it. It appears Mr. Trova took an Oscar, shaved the arms off, and glued six of them to a cube. I think my kids have some similar art projects. I better get promoting so I can cash in on it.

andy b.

J Tiers
06-20-2010, 11:36 AM
heck, at the time, it was "modern art".

If you think it is worthless, which it might be, after all, then you have a certain amount of company in the art world...... Mr Trova was not universally admired. Enough so as to be 'controversial" at the time. Even among folks whose "products" you might think worse...

That's to be expected.

But there are differences as well. For instance, we had recently at the museum here an exhibit of the work of a number of older modern artists, including Jackson Pollock. A number were nominally similar to Jackson Pollock, but there is something about a Pollock which separates it from the others.

As for "falling man".... one is interesting, then IMO you do something different.... When I have a painting finished, I really don't even want to see it again.... I want to do a different one.

lazlo
06-20-2010, 12:20 PM
If you think it is worthless, which it might be, after all, then you have a certain amount of company in the art world...... Mr Trova was not universally admired. Enough so as to be 'controversial" at the time.

The NYC MoMA has had his sculptures featured for 20 years.

I like this one:

http://www.rockjwalker.com/images/photos/Trova-FlowingMan-510.jpg

I'm taking a semester-long blacksmithing class from Will Bastas (a well-known master blacksmith and artist), and aside from the artistic qualities, blacksmithing stainless is HARD.

Where's Ries? :)

Arcane
06-20-2010, 12:37 PM
This was purchased by the National Gallery of Canada in 1989 for $1.8 million. It's 17' 9" by 7' 10". About the only thing that can be said for it is, it's big. Whatever happened to talent being something required to create art? There's a 25' high monstrosity of scrap metal on one of our downtown street corners that the city paid $30,000 or $40,000 for...looks like somebody was let loose in a scrap yard with a welder. I could definitely have made it and if I could make it, it isn't art by any stretch of the imagination. "Art" has to be one of the biggest frauds ever perpetuated on the human race.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fc/Voice_of_Fire.jpg/178px-Voice_of_Fire.jpg

wierdscience
06-20-2010, 12:39 PM
Good call Jerry,paying some ridiculous price for a Stanley ball pien hammer just because somebody with 9-1/2 minutes of fame owned it wouldn't make much sense in any world,art or otherwise.

Once went at gun point to a traveling NEA showing.It was an interesting mix of art supplies,trash and drugs and those were just the people there.

I shall make it my determination in life never to attend one again.

Determining what is art and what is not is really quite simple-

ART-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/wierdscience/14007-piet--michelangelo-buonarroti.jpg


NOT ART-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/wierdscience/PD_sculpture02.jpg

lazlo
06-20-2010, 12:50 PM
Good call Jerry,paying some ridiculous price for a Stanley ball pien hammer

A blacksmith hammer is very different than a ball peen hammer, or an "engineer's hammer" for that matter :p

Blacksmiths use ball peen hammers of course, but it's not what they forge with.

wierdscience
06-20-2010, 01:02 PM
A blacksmith hammer is very different than a ball peen hammer, or an "engineer's hammer" for that matter :p

Blacksmiths use ball peen hammers of course, but it's not what they forge with.

No s--- Sherlock:rolleyes:

http://www.rockjwalker.com/images/photos/Trova-FlowingMan-510.jpg

My question here is,why didn't he finish it? Looks like a half finished hood ornament:)

lazlo
06-20-2010, 01:04 PM
No s--- Sherlock:rolleyes:

So then you read the part where Jerry said they were auctioning Tova's blacksmith hammer, right? Not a Stanley Ball Peen hammer? :rolleyes:

wierdscience
06-20-2010, 01:17 PM
So then you read the part where Jerry said they were auctioning Tova's blacksmith hammer, right? Not a Stanley Ball Peen hammer? :rolleyes:

Yes,and I would be just as disappointed had I shown up and it turned out to be a Stanley Ball pein hammer because the Ad writer knows as much about art as he does about tools.

Doesn't matter thou,it probably was bought by somebody who will never use it again.

EddyCurr
06-20-2010, 04:27 PM
This was purchased by the National Gallery of Canada in 1989 for $1.8 million.
It's 17' 9" by 7' 10". About the only thing that can be said for it is, it's big.
Whatever happened to talent being something required to create art? ...

"Art" has to be one of the biggest frauds ever perpetuated on the human race.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fc/Voice_of_Fire.jpg/178px-Voice_of_Fire.jpgAhh, Voice of Fire! What about the NGC's earlier installation featuring
Jana Sterbak's 'Vanitas: Flesh Dress for an Albino Anorexic' (http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/meatdress.asp) which ran from
Mar 8 to May 20 in 1987?

Interview with a conservator during mid-display restoration (http://archives.cbc.ca/arts_entertainment/visual_arts/topics/300-1610/)

Interestingly, despite the inherent impermanence of such a work, VFDFAA
has toured several galleries since being unveiled over 30 yrs ago. (In
gathering links for this post, I see that others are imitating the meat as
fashion statement - maybe Vanitas IS art ?)

To me Mr Trova's work is intellectually interesting, as well as being
aesthetically and technically appealing.

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Lew Hartswick
06-20-2010, 04:59 PM
Dennis:

"How great thou (thine?) art"?

Thou, refering to the person
Thine, refering to possessions

Were you refering to the man or or his work?