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polepenhollow
07-12-2010, 03:43 PM
I want to control rodents in my shop and on my property.
Mice are local in nature and rats migrate throughout a range
We have several nut trees so the critters are fed well in the winter
I was thinking of using a mixture of Maple Syrup, Bacon, Anti-freeze and Lye
(NaOH).
I intend to put it in shallow plastic dishes in protected areas.
There is river nearby and open ground.
Is there anything I could add to make it more attractive and potent?
K Lively

Tony Ennis
07-12-2010, 03:45 PM
That's kill dogs, cats, and birds, too.

KiddZimaHater
07-12-2010, 03:49 PM
That's kill dogs, cats, and birds, too
HAHA. Yeah. And small children as well.

oldbikerdude37
07-12-2010, 03:53 PM
I can get mouse traps at the dollar store 4 for $1 thats hard to beat.

http://www.pestmall.com/images/P/VIctor_HOldfast_Rat_Trap_M326.jpg

A poisoned mouse will crawl away and die in a bad spot and get to stinking.

Dawai
07-12-2010, 03:54 PM
Most reliable ones look like a train station, have chutes the rats go into to feed in the central chamber.. pins spear them from above. Normally 8 to a trap when you retrieve it. Rats don't mind, chute #1 full? they go to #2, or three..

No clue where to purchase them. I saw them last at Frito Lay.. corn chip plant.

Sage our cat died a horrible death, old age, bled out on the carpet. Within a week we had mice poop in our drawers in the kitchen. Rollo candy baited traps caught one after another, till there were no more. It is gooey, sticky, they can't get it off without tripping the trap.. those are mice.

We had RATS in Chattanooga where we lived, some big as footballs with a long hairless tail. I shot them with a pistol inside the house. I was terrified of them.

I am a pitt bulldog fan, I dislike cats.. but.. they have uses around homes and shops.. We have rabbits the size of footballs in the yard.. biggest ones I have ever saw in the south. My pitt is 100lbs and too spoiled to chase them.

I'm feeling pretty fat and sassy myself.

ldn
07-12-2010, 04:08 PM
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Black_Moons
07-12-2010, 04:12 PM
Why would you make rat poisen, thats just stupid. They make verious mouse/rat poisens allready, avilable in every hardware store across the country. across any country. And traps.

And yes, Poisened mice will really stink up a place, especialy if theres lots of them. You really are better off using traps, even if it is a pain to clean them.

(One day I wish to make a trap that creamates the mice afterwards and stores them in a little dust bin, but thats another post)

oldbikerdude37
07-12-2010, 04:18 PM
Why would you make rat poisen, thats just stupid. They make verious mouse/rat poisens allready, avilable in every hardware store across the country. across any country. And traps.

And yes, Poisened mice will really stink up a place, especialy if theres lots of them. You really are better off using traps, even if it is a pain to clean them.

(One day I wish to make a trap that creamates the mice afterwards and stores them in a little dust bin, but thats another post)

Maybe an old welder for a rat trap.
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4731/rat1i.jpg

laddy
07-12-2010, 04:25 PM
My dad grew up on a dairy farm. Mice were always around. They mixed Portland cement with corn meal and put it out in dishes next to a dish of water.....Problem solved. No dead cats, no dead kids......nasty way to go.

Too_Many_Tools
07-12-2010, 04:27 PM
That's kill dogs, cats, and birds, too.

...and children.

A case a few years ago resulted in the person responsible for the poisoning of a child with his special bait going to prison.

Be very sure of what you are doing.

Any reason why you are not using rat and mouse traps?

TMT

Black_Moons
07-12-2010, 04:46 PM
My dad grew up on a dairy farm. Mice were always around. They mixed Portland cement with corn meal and put it out in dishes next to a dish of water.....Problem solved. No dead cats, no dead kids......nasty way to go.

Iv heard about s@#%ing bricks before but never heard of it being used as execution for rodents.

oldbikerdude37
07-12-2010, 04:54 PM
Iv heard about s@#%ing bricks before but never heard of it being used as execution for rodents.


Eat a few chunks of cheese and about 8 TUMS antiacids and you can poo bricks too. dont ask me how I know this.:D

firbikrhd1
07-12-2010, 05:04 PM
Better and cheaper to buy blocks of rat bait at your local home improvement store. Place them in large laundry detergent jugs with the spout cut out and lay the jugs in areas where the rats congregate. Small animals can't get to the bait but the rats can. Works good as long as you keep them baited. No doubt there are several rats, not just one.
I have gone this one better and built small wooden boxes with PVC pipe "entrances" for the prospective "diners". The baits come with a small hole in the center so I put a drywall screw through it into the box so the baits can't be carried off.
Commercial bait stations based on the same premise are available and used regularly at a price I am not willing to fork over.

Evan
07-12-2010, 05:23 PM
Rats won't eat that mixture. They are extremely particular about new foods and will try just the slightest taste to see what it is like. No way any rat will take another sip of that.

Use a garbage can half full of water and place a smooth 2 inch pipe across the top. The pipe has one tapped hole on the bottom to which you attach a bolt to hold the bait a few inches below. A couple of inches on either side of that on the top you tap a couple of holes and wind in a pair of bolts to act as obstacles. The bait bolt should slighty outweigh the obstacle bolts so it stays on the down side.

Make a nice convenient ramp to the top of the can.

If you have ever been in a small sailboat and have tried to step around the mast you will know just how easy it is to make it capsize when you do that. Rats don't do sailing and won't know about that.

914Wilhelm
07-12-2010, 05:43 PM
For years antifreeze has by US federal law contained a bitterant so that kids won't drink it. Most animals won't drink it as well. Before the law change antifreeze tasted sweet and if your child drank it and survived would likely spend the rest of their life on dialysis. I like the windup traps that are about 12" x 8" x 6" that have a tunnel thru them.when the mouse goes through, it gets flipped into a live catch chamber. Usually the newer mice eat the older mice.:eek:

beanbag
07-12-2010, 05:44 PM
Evan, I thought you were gonna suggest something more devious, like flooding the room with Argon.

BCGorak
07-12-2010, 05:54 PM
We had a rat problem due to the next door neighbor's pigeon coop. Solved the problem with a Beagle. She also chases the winged-rats away. Now we have a happy beagle and no rodents. :)

John Stevenson
07-12-2010, 06:06 PM
Get one of those hard flat rigid sponges that you have to soak to get full size.
Don't wet it but shred it up into bits, add a couple of OXO cubes or whatever you call those gravy lumps over there and mix up.

Place in small boxes so cats or small dogs can't get in and leave.

Beware exploding rats :D.

Works the same for tree rats if you place on top of a tall pole.

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AiR_GuNNeR
07-12-2010, 06:24 PM
Similar to Evan's description, we use what we call a U.P. mousetrap, (upper pennisula Michigan)
It's a ten gallon bucket half filled with antifreeze. a coffee can has the top and bottom removed, and two holes put through the bucket near the top. A broom stick goes through the holes and the coffee can. Put peanut button around the can and a ramp up to the top of the bucket. The mice jump onto the can, roll off, and get pickled by the antifreeze. We would use them in the hunting cabin. We would have dang near fify mice in the bucket at the start of the hunting season, but they don't smell at all. You could up the size of the contraption for rats.

MotorradMike
07-12-2010, 07:58 PM
We don't have rats.

Cockroaches keep 'em down.

tlfamm
07-12-2010, 08:56 PM
What would George Westinghouse say:


When I was a kid, a friend's father gave the two of us a surplus electro-mechanical rat trap from Westinghouse Corp, which had an entire fleet of the things. The trap was built into a wooden footlocker, probably weighted 35-40 pounds, and was a superb example of Rube Goldberg engineering. If it still existed, it might be a museum curiosity, but it was given to us for the express purpose of a dis-assembly/demolition adventure, and we obliged accordingly.

Most details have faded from memory - but I remember a few things: once enticed into the entry hole by the bait, the rat was seduced/coerced into another, aluminum-floored chamber, and a wide flat aluminum channel with integral punched-out teeth was brought down under moderate pressure onto the animal's back, the teeth penetrating the animal's fur and contacting the skin. An appropriate electrical current was applied for an appropriate length of time, and the rat was dispatched.

But here's the best part: when the electrocution cycle was complete, a solenoid-powered arm would push the corpse out the back-end of the trap into a small collection sack, the device would reset itself and patiently wait for the next customer. The only human intervention required was maintaining the bait, and emptying the sack.


No, I didn't read about it in Marvel comics: pal and I had possession of the device, spent a day taking it apart, stashing interesting bits of mechanism, and discarding the wooden footlocker and other uninteresting components.


Wish I had a picture...

John Stevenson
07-12-2010, 09:11 PM
Old British skit show, That was the week that was, had Peter sellers as the mad inventor trying to patent a mouse trap.

It was a maze and at the end was a piece of cheese just behind a vertical razor blade. He explained to the Patent officer that the mouse would come into the maze, go to the end and reach over for the cheese and cut it's throat.

The Patent Officer refused the patent saying it wasn't a positive cutting action.

So next week Peter sellers is back with the exact same invention but this time, no cheese.

When asked to explain how it worked he said the mouse would come into the maze, go to the end and reach over, look right and left and say "Where's the cheese "

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madman
03-09-2011, 08:17 AM
I like that one. Small Jack Russels hunt mice extremely well.

Elninio
03-09-2011, 10:11 AM
just read some of this if you decide to homebrew poison; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomagnification

jstinem
03-09-2011, 12:00 PM
My Dad put Decon brand poison in a piece of gutter downspout with one end crimped over and about 2' long. The barn rats and mice would go into the pipe to get to poison, (they love it), but the cats, dogs and kids couldn't reach it. Decon makes the rats bleed inside so they go outside looking for water before they die. Decon is fairly safe for people too. Its active ingredient is what doctors give for blood clots and heart attacks. Compared to whats needed to kill a rat it takes a good bit more of it to make a person sick.
Joe

Dr Stan
03-09-2011, 12:15 PM
How about going to the local animal shelter and getting a couple of cats?

macona
03-09-2011, 12:34 PM
Better yet, leave the cats at the shelter.

Westline
03-09-2011, 02:35 PM
My dad grew up on a dairy farm. Mice were always around. They mixed Portland cement with corn meal and put it out in dishes next to a dish of water.....Problem solved. No dead cats, no dead kids......nasty way to go.
I can vouch for this, really safe for other animals and works like a charm.
Funny enough I also grew up on a dairy farm .....maybe it's a farmboy thing;)

Black_Moons
03-09-2011, 02:43 PM
Hahahaha. Rats around your place are #hiting bricks!

small.planes
03-09-2011, 03:09 PM
I dont see whats wrong with a .22 pellet, preferably flathead.

Dave

Alistair Hosie
03-09-2011, 03:20 PM
You have to be very careful with poisons children and animals can be killed too.OK I know this is maybe a bit tongue in cheek posting anyway I agree there are experts spending millions on research into a humane way of killing rats and other vermin taking into account all the underlying variables some of which have been mentioned already.I would leave it to the experts and but the ready made poison.Here in Dunoon we don't have rats but a big mice problem as we are in the country we have field mice.My wife won't let me kill them with traps or poison them,and I don't like the idea either but I feel it's the only real way of doing it..We try to catch them in humane safe traps which meant taking them miles away for release.Alistair

DougC_582
03-09-2011, 03:40 PM
How about going to the local animal shelter and getting a couple of cats?
Honestly,,,,, nothing else will keep mice and rats away like a cat will. You may not want a cat, I understand that--but it is still true. Typical farms have cats to keep the mice and rats away, and (big) dogs to keep the foxes and coyotes away from the cats.

There is a bit pf preparation involved, as you need to try to eliminate as much as possible the hiding places big enough for a mouse, but too small for the cat to get in to. Everything (furniture, that is) needs to be six inches from the wall and six inches off the floor, and the cats need to be able to wander everywhere you don't want rats and mice. If you block off one room that you "don't want the cat in", the rats and mice will know, and that's where they'll be.

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One of the problems with most types of kill traps is that all the fleas and ticks on the mice/rats jump off when the body cools. If you kill the mice or rats inside your house or shop, then you're going to have that wonderful parting gift.

This is the reason that (US) food kitchens must use non-kill mouse traps..... The only other kinds of traps that avoid this problem is the water-submerging ones that use a spinning part over a bucket/trash can of liquid.

If you want to use plain water to drown them you can, but it should always be soapy water. The reason is that fleas and ticks will float up to the surface of clean water and then walk/jump out just fine. They won't sink because they're naturally too oily. If the water is soapy, that removes the oil coating off their bodies and they sink/drown along with the rats and mice.

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I've heard of the flour/concrete trick too, except you put a bowl of water right next to the bowl of 50%/50% flour/concrete. The vermin will eat the mix for the flour and get thirsty,,, so they'll go back and forth between the flour-crete and water bowls eating and drinking until they're full, which ensures that it works.

Seastar
03-09-2011, 04:54 PM
You think you have a pest problem?
I live in Fort Lauderdale in the winter.
Or home here is on a canal.
We have 3 inch cockroaches here that they call palmetto bugs.
That's the politically correct name.
The real name is American Cockroach although they came here from Africa.
They breed in the ground and find their way into the house at night.
Damned hard to kill with chemicals or maybe they are immune.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cockroach

We also have hoards of nasty marine iguanas. Some are 4/5 feet long and weight 15/20 pounds.
They have taken over south Florida.
The eat all kinds of vegetation including my wifes flowers.
I hunt them with a high power pellet rifle. In the last two years I have killed
close to 100.
I would like to shoot the idiots that imported them as pets and then turned them loose.
They carry several serious diseases and cr^p all over everything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Iguana

We also have an infestation of pythons in the everglades.
So far, none at our house.
They also were started from pets turned loose.
Bill

Alistair Hosie
03-09-2011, 05:38 PM
Seastar I have been to Fort lauderdale and Clearwater many many times and once in a cheap motel encountered your cockroaches by the hundreds.We were talking about the quality of the hotel owned by Asians Pakistanis or Indians and being filthy bed looked not fresh sheets etc when I looked under the bed I saw some burger boxes with also french fries half eaten contents and there they were little bar/stewards. I couldn't sleep all night we paid for three days we could not wake the owners up but just gathered evrything and went off at 2 in the morning to somewhere better and lost our three days money I had paid when we went back next day the owner refused to refund us pint blank .We went for the town council to complain as advised by the police when we returned they had the beds out in the street and everything was being cleaned first time in ages.I always paid top dollar after that and staid in marriots or somweher with a good reputation.Alistair

Elninio
03-09-2011, 08:06 PM
In aruba you have iguanas only if you stay at a good hotel! Occidental Grand, Hyatt. Actually if you stay at the hyatt you get swans and parrots too.

Mike Burdick
03-09-2011, 10:25 PM
Okay, here's a simple humane repeating mousetrap that really works... and safe for your pets!

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/images/easterly110-1.jpg

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/easterly110.html

dhammer
03-09-2011, 10:54 PM
You think you have a pest problem?
I live in Fort Lauderdale in the winter.
Or home here is on a canal.
We have 3 inch cockroaches here that they call palmetto bugs.
Bill
Yuck..I hate cockroaches..especially BIG roaches. I think I'll stay right here in northern Minnesotsa..too damn cold for big bugs and big reptiles.

Norm W
03-10-2011, 12:12 AM
At the gas station where I used to work, they had rats from the dumpster next door. Plaster of Paris and cocoa mix worked well. Just to add insult to their injury, the liquid that was put next to the plaster mix was cola. Supposedly rats can't burp, so they not only hardened, but enlarged. I don't think it would substitute for Viagra.:eek: The boss used a snow shovel the next morning to clean them up.

Seastar
03-10-2011, 01:20 AM
dhammer
I know what you mean!
I live in Northern Minnesota in the summer.
Besides the mice, squirrels,chipmunks and voles we have wolves, bears, fox, moose and in the last few years some cougars have moved into our area.
I like all of them better than the lizards and roaches.

The fishing is good both places however. LOL

I do have two 5 gallon mouse traps like the one above in my blacksmith shop and in my garage shop in Minnesota.
They really catch mice and voles.
Bill