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Paul Alciatore
11-27-2010, 12:15 PM
Am I right? I mean, am I right? They really do have screws. And the screws are used to tighten them, just like the screws in “normal” vises. So, why are they called “screwless”?

If they were closed by a cam or a wedge, or some other mechanism; I could understand calling them screwless. But they are closed by a – wait for it – by a screw. Yes, A SCREW. A REAL SCREW that works like all other screws.

So why?

I know that these screws are somewhat hidden from view. All you can usually see is the head. But that counts. Doesn’t it? And even if it didn't count, the screw is still there and it still is the basis of the closing mechanism.

Inquiring minds want to know. I want to know.

millwrong
11-27-2010, 02:45 PM
My God man, jingoism, and hyperbole have been the way of the world for ever! :( Have you let your alcohol supply dwindle?:D An ounce a day keeps the rationals away...

recoilless
11-27-2010, 02:50 PM
Inquiring minds want to know

I nominate you, Paul, to come up with a more accurate and worthy name.
Then, I move that any future reference to said vice shall be referred to as such.:o

You have thirty minutes....

Frank Ford
11-27-2010, 03:05 PM
A seedless watermelon has seeds - they're just little seeds.

A screwless vise has a screw - it's just a little one and it can't propel the moveable jaw for its entire length of travel.

I can live with that. . .

Ryobiguy
11-27-2010, 03:19 PM
I think the word-phrase "Lead-screw-less" would be better. That way you can say it's got a screw but not a lead screw. A lead screw can push and pull, but the screw can only pull the jaws together.

MotorradMike
11-27-2010, 04:12 PM
I never saw one with a cord.
What's up with that?

SmoggyTurnip
11-27-2010, 04:14 PM
We should call them seedless vices because they have no seeds.

lane
11-27-2010, 04:38 PM
The correct name is grinding vice.

Liger Zero
11-27-2010, 05:15 PM
I never saw one with a cord.
What's up with that?


My mind... is totally blown by this revelation. :eek:

My god man do you know what this MEANS?! :eek::eek:

Highpower
11-27-2010, 05:19 PM
I never saw one with a cord.
What's up with that?

https://www.grainger.com/Grainger/DEWALT-DrywallFraming-Screwdriver-4LF90?Pid=search

And now you have. :p :D

fredf
11-27-2010, 05:23 PM
I never saw one with a cord.
What's up with that?

Did you try google??? :D granted most call them screw GUNS but . . .

http://www.google.com/search?q=corded+screwdriver#q=corded+screwdriver&hl=en&prmd=ivs&source=lnms&tbs=shop:1&ei=_oPxTPPgGIKKlwePkrn-DA&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&ved=0CCEQ_AU&biw=1531&bih=825&fp=573da4ec7e15bdf2

(sorry for the hijack, I'll go back in my corner . . .)

randyc
11-27-2010, 05:26 PM
... If they were closed by a cam or a wedge, or some other mechanism; I could understand calling them screwless...


Maybe like this: http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?p=613484&posted=1#post613484

macona
11-27-2010, 05:32 PM
Did you try google??? :D granted most call them screw GUNS but . . .

http://www.google.com/search?q=corded+screwdriver#q=corded+screwdriver&hl=en&prmd=ivs&source=lnms&tbs=shop:1&ei=_oPxTPPgGIKKlwePkrn-DA&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&ved=0CCEQ_AU&biw=1531&bih=825&fp=573da4ec7e15bdf2

(sorry for the hijack, I'll go back in my corner . . .)


These look more like screwdrivers and have cords:

http://www.flexibleassembly.com/Products/electric-screwdriver/HIOS-Series-Torque-Screwdrivers

whitis
11-27-2010, 06:01 PM
The name must have originated with a screwloose vise maker. :-)

1946 ad for the grip-master screwless vise:
http://books.google.com/books?id=niEDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA111
This one doesn't have a screw, at least in the closure mechanism. This is the oldest reference I could find to a screwless vise.

Somewhere along the line, people started misapplying the name to toolmaker's precision insert vises. Not all insert vises are of the diagonal screw variety and not all of the diagonal screw variety are used as insert vises.

One difference between the screwloose vises and a traditional vise is that the screw is in tension rather than compression. And the screw is diagonally mounted to pull the jaw down.