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Mike Burdick
12-23-2010, 04:48 AM
Wow, I didn't know this existed...

http://www.apinsights.info/Worlds_Largest_Plane.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-225

hardtail
12-23-2010, 05:06 AM
It debuited at the Paris airshow probably about 15+ years ago now......was a foggy rainsoaked day and the crowds could hear it coming.....as it broke through the clouds they caught sight of a mid sized plane and then the beast came into view with that mid sized plane strapped atop it.........when it landed and was taxiing in the impressed crowds gasped as the plane turned off the runway into the soaked grass infield where they thought it would sink to it's belly and never move again.......wrong it sloshed through with those huge floatation tires......the 225 and it's smaller brother were built to fly huge antennae sections into Siberia......either carrying cargo within or lashed atop outside.

I has seen the smaller 125 in person......impressive for size but the fit finish is shabby....overlapped riveted sheeting instead of butt joined......

I believe they hire out worldwide for big jobs.......

Ian B
12-23-2010, 05:06 AM
Yes, it's a beauty! There was a Discovery superstructures program on it, and the company - Antonov Design Bureau - that operates it. The videos are on youtube I think.

I saw the 4 engined version flying in and out of Malabo, Equatorial New Guinea a few times, never saw the 6 engined one.

Ian

John Stevenson
12-23-2010, 05:35 AM
Sometimes flies into East Midlands Airport about 5 miles from us to collect Rolls Royce Trent engines.
The smaller 4 engined one is often in but the big one comes in about 5 or 6 times a year.

We are on one of the flight paths depending on wind etc and often see it.

PeteF
12-23-2010, 05:36 AM
Likewise I saw its "little" brother fly several times some years back and had the opportunity to crawl over it. Indeed I watched a display just out of Sydney that had the Russian pilots on notice that if they ever did any maneuvers like that again they would be grounded! It was a very, VERY impressive display.

Interestingly when this aircraft was first rumoured the US military tried to convince everyone it was a hoax and it was "physically impossible" to construct an aircraft of that size, particularly given the "crude" Russian engineering. The Russians simply said "ok ... whatever" (or the equivalent in Russian I guess) and simply showed up at the next big airshow with it!

Liger Zero
12-23-2010, 06:25 AM
There is nothing wrong with Russian engineering or design... it's Russian QUALITY CONTROL and Russian "training" that is the problem.

Especially with their military nuclear training. How many ships do they have on permanent retirement due to "reactor mishaps?" Quite a few.

They are getting better though. :)

dewat
12-23-2010, 07:17 AM
I have it on good authority that this is Russia's largest aircraft

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j218/dewat/K7-.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j218/dewat/K7-h.jpg


:D

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Spin Doctor
12-23-2010, 07:48 AM
I have it on good authority that this is Russia's largest aircraft

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j218/dewat/K7-.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j218/dewat/K7-h.jpg


:D

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From the Photoshoptamat Design Company I take it:D

dewat
12-23-2010, 07:55 AM
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/russian-K7-heavy-bomber.shtml

Evan
12-23-2010, 07:56 AM
Russian engineering has a very distinct look to it, especially when it comes to aircraft. They like engines, lots and lots of engines.

The ANT-20, aka the Maxim Gorky:

http://ixian.ca/pics8/ant20.jpg

The surface effect Ekranoplan KM which holds the record for the heaviest load ever lifted off the surface by something with wings.

http://ixian.ca/pics8/ekm.jpg

And, another surface effect monster, the LUN.

http://ixian.ca/pics8/m160.jpg

A.K. Boomer
12-23-2010, 09:31 AM
That really is incredible --- look at its wings when sitting idle as compared to flying, ohh the stress loads, wonder what its "foot per gallons" (FPG:p ) consumption rate is?

I like the looks of that Ekranoplan Evan posted -- what a sleek water bird.

Whats with the Lun? is it a missal launcher?

KiddZimaHater
12-23-2010, 11:34 AM
I love the air-conditioning system in that monster.
Two fans mounted to the cockpit window. :D

lazlo
12-23-2010, 12:13 PM
Wow, I didn't know this existed...

http://www.apinsights.info/Worlds_Largest_Plane.html

If you watch that short-lived, but irritating show on Discovery Channel: World's Biggest Jobs (or something like that), several episodes involve the use of the Antonov to freight oversize items, like the 747 pressure hull.

Tony Ennis
12-23-2010, 12:14 PM
From the always-accurate wikipedia:


One An-225 was completed in 1988 and a second An-225 has been partially completed. The one An-225 is in commercial operation carrying oversized payloads.

There's only one.

And it was made to transport the Buran orbiter.

Russian QC where aviation is concerned is terrifying.

lazlo
12-23-2010, 12:18 PM
From the always-accurate wikipedia:

"One An-225 was completed in 1988 and a second An-225 has been partially completed."

I gather it's not commercially viable. In the 747 repair, they had the option of shipping the pressure dome in sections and assembling in Paris, or fabricating at Boeing and shipping it assembled in the Antonov. They mention that it's a couple of million dollars/day to rent it, and I bet there's not a huge profit margin on that cost...

Pete F
12-23-2010, 01:44 PM
I recall watching a rivet work loose in the wing of a aeroflot plane during flight once, back in the eighties. On the same plane, someone leaned back in their seat and it went all the way back, into the lap of the person behind.

I'm sure the important things were checked regularly, though. Right?

-Pete

wierdscience
12-23-2010, 02:41 PM
I recall watching a rivet work loose in the wing of a aeroflot plane during flight once, back in the eighties. On the same plane, someone leaned back in their seat and it went all the way back, into the lap of the person behind.

I'm sure the important things were checked regularly, though. Right?

-Pete

American componets,Russian componets all made in Taiwan!:)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJczSB7bago&feature=related

The Artful Bodger
12-23-2010, 03:05 PM
Russian QC where aviation is concerned is terrifying.


Why of course, what else would explain the advanced age of some Russian built aircraft that are still in service.

I flew on this aircraft not so long ago...

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5248/5286111873_bae0a03480.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25239206@N06/5286111873/)
IL18 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25239206@N06/5286111873/) by aardvark_akubra (http://www.flickr.com/people/25239206@N06/), on Flickr

Liger Zero
12-23-2010, 03:15 PM
I have it on good authority that this is Russia's largest aircraft

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j218/dewat/K7-.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j218/dewat/K7-h.jpg


:D

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I understand for takeoff they turn the big turrets around and fire all six guns at once while ramming the throttle open on all 72 engines.

Pete F
12-23-2010, 04:00 PM
Why of course, what else would explain the advanced age of some Russian built aircraft that are still in service.

I flew on this aircraft not so long ago...

http://www.korea-dpr.com//Air%20Koryo/myndir/47619642_Air_Koryo_IL18.jpg

Looks like it crashed. :D

bobw53
12-23-2010, 05:13 PM
American componets,Russian componets all made in Taiwan!:)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJczSB7bago&feature=related

Didn't they build/modify that big stupid pregnant looking 747 in Taiwan??

I like Taiwan, I've been over there twice in the past 18 months. This machining goes in the dumps, that's were I'm going. They love American's and anything American. They work their asses off over there.

Since I'm already off on a total sidetrack, went to a Taiwanese copper smith up in the middle of the mountains and got to make my own gong. He had all kinds of neat artsy stuff, but he had a lamp, it was a dark black log, about 18" long, 10" in diameter, really rough looking, lots of big holes through it and copper lathe turnings stuffed in the holes. Light on the inside, it was a lot of fun.

The Artful Bodger
12-23-2010, 06:43 PM
Looks like it crashed. :D

Back again...;)

gzig5
12-23-2010, 09:07 PM
Why of course, what else would explain the advanced age of some Russian built aircraft that are still in service.

I flew on this aircraft not so long ago...

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5248/5286111873_bae0a03480.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25239206@N06/5286111873/)
IL18 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25239206@N06/5286111873/) by aardvark_akubra (http://www.flickr.com/people/25239206@N06/), on Flickr

On a dare?

The Artful Bodger
12-24-2010, 04:22 PM
On a dare?

No, Beijing to Pyongyang.

oldtiffie
12-24-2010, 06:10 PM
You seem to go to some interesting places in those "closed/restricted" societies where few others can or do in that part of the world AB.

The Artful Bodger
12-24-2010, 09:01 PM
You seem to go to some interesting places in those "closed/restricted" societies where few others can or do in that part of the world AB.

It has been my good fortune to have that sort of job Tiffie.

oldtiffie
12-24-2010, 09:52 PM
Thanks AB.

Good for you.

I've seen you make similar mentions or allusions or asides on several occasions in that regard over time that have raised my eye-brows.

Liger Zero
12-24-2010, 10:21 PM
Some people manage to get "that sort" of job, the rest of us read about it. I'm happy with the mundane sort of life... though I would like to visit Russia someday. ;)

The Artful Bodger
12-24-2010, 10:30 PM
Some people manage to get "that sort" of job, the rest of us read about it. I'm happy with the mundane sort of life... though I would like to visit Russia someday. ;)

Russia would be interesting to me too, I have never been there and the closest was to Eastern Europe in the good/bad old days.

Evan
12-24-2010, 11:19 PM
The one thing I miss about my job with Xerox is traveling although it was a mixed bag because I was away from home about 2 months many years and at least a month every year. I only traveled around North America but Xerox has training facilites scattered all over the continent. My favorite was Leesburg not far from Washington DC. I have seen all the museums of the Smithsonian with my favorite being the Air and Space Museum of course. Favorite hotels are the Sutton Place in Toronto and the Pan Pacific in Vancouver. The Sutton place is where all the movie actors stay when filming in Toronto and I have met quite a few. The Pan Pacific one time ran out of rooms so when I showed up at 10pm as arranged they had to give me the Asian VIP suite which goes for about 2000 per night. That was nice but I had meetings in the AM and didn't have much chance to enjoy it.

I have flown on most of the passenger jets that were in service in N.A. up to 1998. My favorite is first class on the 747 and my least favorite is the L1011. The last time I flew on an L1011 it was coast to coast. About halfway to LA I began to smell smoke, the classic electrical wiring "brown smell". I was at the front of business class and I quietly motioned a steward over to mention this. He acknowledged that he smelled it too but said it wasn't unusual and not to worry.

Not to WORRY???? Smoke is never a good thing on an airplane. I made sure that Xerox Travel didn't book me on any more 1011's after that.

BTW, a lot of airlines will allow you to move to first class if it happens to be empty on any particular flight.

Worst flight I had was one winter near Christmas. I was flying to Vancouver for the annual service meeting. The weather was miserable when I arrived at the airport. I was flying on a regional carrier using Dash 8's. We boarded and as I usually do I sat up front for the leg room and so I could chat with the pilots. We sat for two hours waiting for the fog to clear in Kamloops. The plane I was on couldn't fly direct to Vancouver because it didn't have enough fuel with the passenger and cargo load. They gave up and we switched to another plane that had arrived which did have sufficient capacity to go direct.

We took off and when were were about halfway to Vancouver we encountered severe icing. Ice was being slung off the props and blasting into the side of the fueselage just behind where I was sitting. I could tell it was doing damage. We made it safely but when I got off I had a look at the fuselage. It wasn't going anywhere for a while as it looked like it had been worked over with a ball peen hammer.

When I went into the terminal I stopped at the counter to ask how that might affect my return flight the next evening. They said they had no idea because the aircraft I had been sitting on for two hours just a little while earlier had headed up north and had crashed killing all aboard.

The Artful Bodger
12-25-2010, 12:19 AM
There are plenty of things more deserving to worry about than smoke and hot smells in an aircraft!

It was our delightful experience to fly to Baghdad a few weeks after the 'liberation'.

Here is a picture of the aircraft we flew in, along with all our equipment and some "stuff".

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5209/5288942623_ba51bb7284.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25239206@N06/5288942623/)
P1010009 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25239206@N06/5288942623/) by aardvark_akubra (http://www.flickr.com/people/25239206@N06/), on Flickr

I believe it is an AN-12, civilian version with the fared over tail gunner position.


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5202/5288942179_530a0817ff.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25239206@N06/5288942179/)
P1010005 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25239206@N06/5288942179/) by aardvark_akubra (http://www.flickr.com/people/25239206@N06/), on Flickr

Passenger accommodation was more roomy than most civilian aircraft economy cabins with a comfortable table and bunks over head. This is in a small pressurised cabin between the cargo hold and the flight deck. We flew low altitude and the pressure doors were not closed give a peek onto the flight deck.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5285/5288942397_710e2a6805.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25239206@N06/5288942397/)
P1010006 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25239206@N06/5288942397/) by aardvark_akubra (http://www.flickr.com/people/25239206@N06/), on Flickr

This picture was taken before take off, the first officer has his hands on the controls and the flight engineer is sitting at a radio operator's postion doing a bit of paper work. The navigator has already crawled forward to his position in the glazed nose. The flight engineer has a swing-away seat which swings to take a position between the first officer and the captain whose seat is just out of sight on the left. Right under the captains seat is a rack of radio and electronic equipment which was giving off kilowatts of heat along with warm brown smells and no one was at all concerned by that.

Incidently, I noticed that when the flight engineer swung his seat into position it had been patched to cover several small punctures in the steel back and I could only imagine that some poor bugger had died in that seat, there were other signs of repair too.

How we came to be on that plane is a rather involved tale but with no markings except Ukrainian registration and the theatre it was operating in I could easily be persuaded that it was one of Viktor Bout's** fleet. It appeared that when we arrived in Baghdad at least some of that electronic equipment had given up the ghost as the captain asked to borrow or sat phone to call his office in Kiev.


**Google is your friend.

PeteF
12-25-2010, 12:30 AM
... civilian version with the fared over tail gunner position.

Cripes, in the airline I work for that sentence has a very different meaning I assure you! :eek:

4GSR
12-25-2010, 01:22 AM
I watched them move the AN-225 back against the fence on the AFB side of the airport back in 1990. What a monster! What was even neater was watching the Russian Mig's move around and taking off that same day after the air show.

Here's a link to the AN-225 at Tinker AFB at Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, 1990.

http://www.sidingoklahoma.com/an-225-in-oklahoma-city-1990/

Ken

The Artful Bodger
12-25-2010, 01:51 AM
Cripes, in the airline I work for that sentence has a very different meaning I assure you! :eek:

Hmmmmm. Queens and nancies, takes all sorts?