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Paul Alciatore
01-04-2011, 03:02 PM
I am looking for a place to host some web pages for both my wife and myself. She is a poet and wants to post some of her work on-line. I have some shop related things I would like to post for all to see so it is shop related but they are not directly commercial as I already have a service for that. Cost is a big consideration.

I know there are some here who have done this kind of thing and would appreciate any suggestions for free or inexpensive web space for these kinds of things. I have already checked out my current ISP and they do not: yea, I was surprised too.

RB211
01-04-2011, 03:15 PM
As per Evans suggestion, I went with Host Papa. Very cheap per month if you do it for 3 years. They also give you a free domain name with that service.
Word of warning... It is always better to register your domain name with a different company from the one that does your web hosting.
If for what ever reason you are not happy with the host, you simply change the DNS servers associated with that domain name to the new host.

I have my host with hostpapa and I use go-daddy to register my domain names. go-daddy makes it easy to change the domain names.
If you simply use the free domain name with hostpapa, you potentially lose it when you switch hosts.

pgmrdan
01-04-2011, 03:30 PM
Your ISP may supply you with web space as part of your service. You might want to check that out. Usually it's not a lot of space though.

dkaustin
01-04-2011, 03:44 PM
If cost is the main consideration, you might consider setting up your own web server on a dedicated PC using Apache and Direct update. Admittedly, there's a steep learning curve, but the price (free) is hard to beat.

dp
01-04-2011, 03:49 PM
Host Papa gets very mixed reviews which is typical of hosting companies who can't won't scale in proportion to their user base.
http://www.hostreviewsite.com/reviews/Host-Papa

Many sites that offer these rates in inundated because they have so many customers, many of whom lack essential skills for what they are doing (adds t the problems of the ISP), so be sure to check the reviews of your potential providers.

Of special concern and already mentioned, buy your own domain or you stand the risk of losing it. Also pay attention to renewal notices! I have a customer who could not be reached and his domain was expiring. I tried to reach him, tried to pay the registrar for another year, and expiration was days away (same thing happened five years ago). The owner finally got it taken care of. I have rescued several of the domains of my customers over the years, though. It can be very messy to get one back once it's been lost.

.RC.
01-04-2011, 04:52 PM
I can not help with the webspace bit but I also am a budding poet..

I have started but am stuck trying to find a rhyming word for my poem

There once was a lady from Venus.
Whose body was shaped like a ?????

That is as far as I have got and an stuck..

Evan
01-04-2011, 05:22 PM
There once was a lady from Venus.
Whose body was shaped like a genus
of mammals that say
to stop warming today
there's no hope unless they can green us

pgmrdan
01-04-2011, 05:39 PM
Ahhhh, limericks!

There once was a man from Nantucket....

dp
01-04-2011, 05:49 PM
A man once started a thread
About pages he'd share on the web
His mind started racking
At his thread's quick hijacking
So he gave up in anger instead

rohart
01-04-2011, 06:09 PM
There once was a lady from Venus
Whose criminal acts were quite heinous
With her friends from the stars
She landed on Mars
Saying "Hide - I think no one has seen us"

Evan
01-04-2011, 06:47 PM
I've had no significant problems with Host Papa. At first there were some issues and they sort of complained about my server load even though I have unlimited bandwidth. I spoke to the support people who are very available and pointed out the all of my content is legal, generated almost entirely by myself and if not then either public domain or used with explicit permission. The same goes for the few other web sites I host, a total of six in all.

Once they looked at my sites and the content it was quickly cleared up. I can only assume they granted me a dedicated server since they had no reason to object to the load. Since then there have been no significant issues. Up time is very good.

I have my domains registered in Canada with DomainsAtCost.ca They are excellent and the price is right at $12.95 per year for ca domains and $14.95 for all others. They provide DNS service and forwarding plus have a variety of hosting options too.

Jerry
01-04-2011, 08:10 PM
I am looking for a place to host some web pages for both my wife and myself. She is a poet and wants to post some of her work on-line. I have some shop related things I would like to post for all to see so it is shop related but they are not directly commercial as I already have a service for that. Cost is a big consideration.

I know there are some here who have done this kind of thing and would appreciate any suggestions for free or inexpensive web space for these kinds of things. I have already checked out my current ISP and they do not: yea, I was surprised too.

Over the years I have used various photo sharing sites, and after using Smugmug for the past 3 years, I can highly recommend their photo hosting services. They are wonderfull to deal with, and you get a response from a real person within the hour, when contacting them with a problem your having, including their help dealing with html issues.

http://www.smugmug.com/

Jerry

snowman
01-04-2011, 09:42 PM
I purchased through Bluehost. One year domain name plus all the bandwidth and webspace I can use was $87. I can transfer the domain name any time I please. I can add additional domain names for $9.95 and use the same server space.

I also have access to server level programming if I so desire...I've used it a couple of times now.

Paul Alciatore
01-04-2011, 10:14 PM
Evan,

What software do you use to post to the server? And is this typical of what is needed for most such sites?

Most of what I would create at the present time could be created with Microsoft Word, but I would like to know what eles is needed to get it up.

dp
01-04-2011, 10:24 PM
You might want to consider a content manager like WordPress. Originally a blogger's tool it has fanned out to do a great many things. Here's some examples. All of these use WordPress:

Metal Working At Home (http://metalworkingathome.com/)

Greater Boston Choral Consortium (http://www.bostonsings.org/)

Circle of Confusion (http://circle-of-confusion.net/)

Milo's Machine Shed (http://milosmachineshed.com/)

Watts Up With That (http://wattsupwiththat.com/)

Torch Singers Creation (http://torchsingercreations.com/wordpress/)

The Virtual Bar And Grill (http://thevirtualbarandgrill.com/)

Jane Alynn (http://janealynn.com/) Yikes - how could I forget Jane? She's an actual poet!

I host all but two of them.

Edit: Need to add - I'm not soliciting more customers so don't anyone blow a gasket. I'm doing a hardware refresh and reworking the entire server infrastructure and won't be open for additional business until late summer.

Paul Alciatore
01-04-2011, 10:27 PM
Thanks for those who cleaned up the limerick.
My wife’s poetry is not a gimmick.
Her thoughts are sublime
Her inspiration Divine.
And her message as strong as a red brick.

EPA III

dp
01-04-2011, 10:34 PM
For several years I hosted a domain called "The Word Wright" and was intended specifically for writers and poets. I offered space for free to anyone who wished to publish their stuff on the web. It was roughly intended to be what Facebook became, but free. No takers!! I let the domain expire, finally, and it's been rustled since.

Evan
01-05-2011, 04:47 AM
Paul,

I transfer everything using FTP Explorer. There are many FTP clients available for free and one is about as good as another.

Please don't try to use MS Word to create web pages. The HTML code it creates is a nightmare and bloated beyond belief.

I will let someone else make a recommendation of what you should use since I just use notepad++ for most editing.

macona
01-05-2011, 12:25 PM
I used Moniker to get my domain and then set up my mac mini to handle the web server. I never got around to doing anything past that as you can see: http://www.biehler.us

-Jerry

AllThumbz
01-05-2011, 12:53 PM
I am looking for a place to host some web pages for both my wife and myself. She is a poet and wants to post some of her work on-line. I have some shop related things I would like to post for all to see so it is shop related but they are not directly commercial as I already have a service for that. Cost is a big consideration.

I know there are some here who have done this kind of thing and would appreciate any suggestions for free or inexpensive web space for these kinds of things. I have already checked out my current ISP and they do not: yea, I was surprised too.


Paul:

I have used two and and were happy with both:

Startlogic.com, which hosts my hobby-machinist site below and
Dreamhost.com which hosted some political sites I ran.

Startlogic has free apps- Wordpress, SMF and is very easy to use.
Their support is super.

Dreamhost is the same, but a bit more expensive.

I was very satisfied with both.

Nelson

Black_Moons
01-05-2011, 01:31 PM
Iv heard to stay away from godaddy, as one 'complaint', And your domain gets locked untill you pay a fee (Aka: Ransom) to get it unlocked, Reguardless if the complaint was valid or not. And it seems theres a strong correlation beween web sites getting popular, and a complaint being lodged.

jkopel
01-06-2011, 02:40 PM
I just posted this *somewhere else* but I think it applies here as well.

Check this one out Drupal Gardens pricing | Drupal Gardens (http://www.drupalgardens.com/pricing)
(I am not affiliated with it at all)

I use the software that powers that site to build large corporate web sites for my day job. While I would never recommend the software in its "raw" form, the service they are offering looks really nice.

If you want the free plan they embed ads (got to make their money somehow) but for what seems like a nominal fee you can move to the ad free version.

I could also steer you to a few folks who build smaller websites for a living if you are interested in some design or development help. Again, I am not affiliated with them, but I like to help my friends when I can.
PM me if you are interested.

Josh

Paul Alciatore
11-04-2012, 03:36 AM
Rewarming an old thread here. I finally got around to trying to set up a web site. I signed up with HostPapa and have spent several hours now trying to get familiar with how it all works. All I can say is "holy Toledo"! I tried to get WordPress working on that site, but had no luck. I thought I knew a little bit about things, but I guess that is very little. I mean, for just one small example of the questions I have, they talk about having and creating directories on the web site, but I need a really good discussion of what directories are in order and what each one is used for. Like, where would I want to put WordPress or other software or add-ins and WHY?

Anyway, I need a good, up to date, book or whatever that explains it in more detail than I seem to be able to get on the web. Anybody got any suggestions for such a book? I assume the word "DUMMIES" would be in the title because that is what I feel like now.

+ or - Zero
11-04-2012, 04:03 AM
Rewarming an old thread here. I finally got around to trying to set up a web site. I signed up with HostPapa and have spent several hours now trying to get familiar with how it all works. All I can say is "holy Toledo"! I tried to get WordPress working on that site, but had no luck. I thought I knew a little bit about things, but I guess that is very little. I mean, for just one small example of the questions I have, they talk about having and creating directories on the web site, but I need a really good discussion of what directories are in order and what each one is used for. Like, where would I want to put WordPress or other software or add-ins and WHY?

Anyway, I need a good, up to date, book or whatever that explains it in more detail than I seem to be able to get on the web. Anybody got any suggestions for such a book? I assume the word "DUMMIES" would be in the title because that is what I feel like now.

Well I don't actually have a book suggestion, but what part of this set of instructions are you having a problem with?

http://hostpapasupport.com/tutorials/Tutorials_WordPress.shtml

Or did you have some problem even before you started the WordPress install?

Jaakko Fagerlund
11-04-2012, 06:52 AM
One place to consider is also http://www.nosupportlinuxhosting.com, if cost is an issue. Costs $1/month, but you have to have some knowledge of putting up a website and figuring stuff yourself. The host will ignore all "pls help I'm noob" questions to save time & money.

dp
11-04-2012, 01:28 PM
Rewarming an old thread here. I finally got around to trying to set up a web site. I signed up with HostPapa and have spent several hours now trying to get familiar with how it all works. All I can say is "holy Toledo"! I tried to get WordPress working on that site, but had no luck. I thought I knew a little bit about things, but I guess that is very little. I mean, for just one small example of the questions I have, they talk about having and creating directories on the web site, but I need a really good discussion of what directories are in order and what each one is used for. Like, where would I want to put WordPress or other software or add-ins and WHY?

Anyway, I need a good, up to date, book or whatever that explains it in more detail than I seem to be able to get on the web. Anybody got any suggestions for such a book? I assume the word "DUMMIES" would be in the title because that is what I feel like now.

For Wordpress to work there is a lot of low lying structure that needs to be in place and permissions properly set. You also need a database and account with login/password. Normally when I host people I set all that up for them as it is just easier on everyone. As your site grows you may find you need/want additional non-Wordpress content and that has to go somewhere, too. This frequently means you need a good content person to help, but it is certainly something that can be learned (and arguably should be).

Your very best friend is to run a virtual machine on your PC that lets you run an exact copy of your blog off-line where only you can see it, and which allows you to experiment fearlessly with Wordpress and any add-ons you'd like to test. It also lets you do all this testing and learning without the world looking over your shoulder! :) This sounds more formidable than it is, and the benefits are well worth the few challenges.

There are free tools that allow you to run a free Linux instance and which can run the database, PHP, web server, and Wordpress, and even an ftp server to allow you the access you need to maintain Wordpress. A virtual machine needs about 15 gig of local disk storage on your PC though they will run well on far less, and this will allow you to work without fear of running out of virtual disk space for quite a long time.

I provide hosting services but am not taking on any new clients until I've upgraded all my servers and software, but I can help you get a virtual machine, ready to go, on to your pc, and walk you through the basics. I do this for free on an as-time-is-available basis - I'm not hustling business here :)

Errol Groff
11-04-2012, 02:52 PM
I use Dreamhost.com for our hosting service. Very dependable! MS Front Page 2000 for page authoring, WS_FTP Pro for uploading to the site. Also used are Slide Show Pro for creating slide shows and Picassa 3 for re-sizing pictures to uniform format.

Slide Show, WS_FTP and Picassa are downloadable in their free form.

goose
11-04-2012, 05:24 PM
You’re doing it the hard way and you don't need no stinkin' directories. Avoid “free” which may be the issue with the Wordpress interface. Get a basic HTML editor and, if FTP isn’t included, an FTP program for uploading. WS FTP was mentioned and that is good. For editors get a up-to-date one with CSS (style sheets) and HTML 5, unfortunately Adobe no longer sells Homesite HTML editor, which I like, but there are many others, CoffeeCup comes to mind. The price $50 - $100 is nothing in the grand scheme of things. If you need help in basic HTML, there are plenty of texts and online help in that department. But avoid being too adherent to what may be obsolete programming advice. So it’s kind of pointless to learn how to format a page in HTML, then unlearn it when you realize web pages are formatted in cascading style sheets. Use the texts as more of a reference guide and less as a tutorial. Your home web page is index.html (I hope I'm not assuming too little, or too much), your CSS can be encoded directly in your HTML file, or more better, as separate .css files. You can put them in a directory or not. You'll probably have JPGs and other graphic files, as you get along you can add more files, more HTML, more directories.

dp
11-04-2012, 06:08 PM
You’re doing it the hard way and you don't need no stinkin' directories. Avoid “free” which may be the issue with the Wordpress interface.

Yikes!

Well, that is a solution. Here are some sites I host.

http://janealynn.com/
http://circle-of-confusion.net/
http://ah104.com/
http://lakewashingtonsingers.org/wordpress/
http://ohs63.com/
http://EddieKieger.com/
http://MetalWorkingAtHome.com/
http://lampguild.org/wordpress/
http://lampguild.org/

All but three are Wordpress. The last two are a Wordpress demo and the actual html site. Can you spot the hand crafted pages?

Evan
11-04-2012, 06:30 PM
Paul,

The first thing you need is your link to the Control Panel at your server. If you don't have it then look at the signup e-mail they sent you. If you can't find it there then go to support on the Host Papa website and use the online chat support to ask them for the link.

Once you have that link stick in the address bar and go there. You will need your user ID and password to log in. They sent you that in your signup e-mail.

That takes you to C-Panel ( Control Panel). On the left side is a fairly lengthy list of items that are related to the various metrics of your server usage and hosting plan. To the right of that is a series of windows for groups of related functions. You can ignore nearly all of them for now. In the third panel down labelled "Preferences" is a link to the "Getting Started" Wizard. Right click and open in a new tab or window and start there. As you devlop new question write them down and I will assist you as required. You may as well post them here instead of via PM as others might be interested. It isn't at all difficult and neither is creating a web page. The Wizard will walk you through creating a home directory for the domain you have registered. It is in there that you place all the files that are the pages and related content for the web site. More as you post questions.

You can actually create a very basic zero frills web page by simply typing some text in notepad. Then save it and change the extension from xyz.txt to xyz.htm. That makes it a web page although it is missing many desirable but unnecessary features. Try it though just to prove to yourself that it works.

I will keep an eye on this thread for the next while unless I am busy or asleep.

Later.

BTW, Host Papa provides all sorts of good software included in the hosting package including Wordpress and other blogging software. It has a wide selection of choices and they are all ad free latest packages for everything from blogging to picture galleries to large scale retail sales management.

goose
11-04-2012, 06:39 PM
All but three are Wordpress. The last two are a Wordpress demo and the actual html site. Can you spot the hand crafted pages?

I am guessing lampguild.org, eddiekieger.com, and ah104.com as the others say “powered by Wordpress” at the bottom.

They’re all quite good.

Evan
11-04-2012, 06:46 PM
As to the responsiveness of Host Papa support, I am pleased with them. I recently noted a discussion of a severe bug in PHP that is a very recent zero day vulnerability. It allows the worst case scenario, complete pwnage of a web site. It isn't common knowledge yet as I found on a somewhat obscure hacker site I frequent from time to time. I immediately contacted Host Papa support and insisted they update the PHP version on my server to the latest version. The latest version isn't yet 100% secure but it is much more difficult to implement the vuln and the way I have my sites structured it won't work at all.

They had it updated within 24 hrs.

Paul Alciatore
11-05-2012, 02:52 AM
I have an early appointment tomorrow morning so I can't work on this tonight. I will have to put it off until tomorrow. Looks like I may have some helpful advise here.

Evan, I have the necessary user name and password and have played around with the cPanel a bit last night. I need more time with it.

Thanks to all.

Evan
11-05-2012, 11:40 AM
You will figure it out. As with everything there is a learning curve. The good thing is that it maintains brain plasticity which I can attest is a very good thing.

First thing that I didn't mention is that within the web site files the home page uses a special name that means it will be loaded automatically without needing to be specified in the address. For that page it should be named "default.htm". Also, since the servers run Linux, everything including passwords and especially file names are case sensitive.

wawoodman
11-05-2012, 08:11 PM
Sorry. I entered a limerick, but it seems we are back on topic.

My web page http://www.specialmillwork.com is hosted by Virtual Creations http://www.virtualcreations.com.au

theGallery
11-06-2012, 08:09 PM
I use "GoDaddy" for my web site( www.theKilmerPlace.com ). I write my own html code and use "Coffe Cup"(free) for file transfer. I think I paid around $100.00 for three years. I also used their email service. Very pleased with them

dp
11-06-2012, 08:57 PM
I use "GoDaddy" for my web site( www.theKilmerPlace.com ). I write my own html code and use "Coffe Cup"(free) for file transfer. I think I paid around $100.00 for three years. I also used their email service. Very pleased with them

That reminds me of another pain point a few of my customers have experienced and that is tool selection. What is discovered is there is frequently three or fewer people who end up working on the pages, and each has their favorite tool and of course the pages end up with a cooked by committee look. The other problem is attrition. A critical person will leave and the replacement comes in, favorite tool in hand, and pages start to get that Mulligan stew look. This has been the strongest argument for using a content manager type site of which Wordpress is the hands down favorite. The tool is the site - no substitutes, no creeping rot. For those customers who have a collaborative team working on updating content daily the content managed sites are the norm. There are several excellent content management tools out there to choose from. Here's an article that describes more fully the ups and downs of CMS:

http://webdesign.about.com/od/contentmanagement/a/aa031300a.htm

Evan
11-07-2012, 12:03 AM
The blogging choices on Host Papa are

Serendipity
b2evolution
WordPress
Nucleus
Dotclear
Textpattern
Pixie
PivotX
Chyrp

For image galleries they have:

Gallery
Coppermine
TinyWebGallery
Piwigo
ZenPhoto
4images

There are rafts of other apps all included in the hosting package for anything you might want.

dp
11-07-2012, 12:59 AM
There are rafts of other apps all included in the hosting package for anything you might want.

They need happier customers.

http://www.hostreviewsite.com/reviews/Host-Papa

+ or - Zero
11-07-2012, 01:27 AM
Paul, I'll ask this again ( this is an expanded version of my first post about this) because I can't believe you can be having much trouble if you just follow the simple video instruction on the hostpapa site, located here:
http://hostpapasupport.com/tutorials/Tutorials_WordPress.shtml

If you can't do it from those directions then either there is a serious problem with the hostpapa company (using outdated or just wrong tutorials), or you need to get a professional to do this for you. The system is very simple --unless you are way into some obscure part of WordPress that it would probably require professional help in any event.

WordPress should be up and running with basic usability in about 10 -15 minutes --embellishments are pretty easy also (unless you have some unusual needs).

If you have followed the tutorials please tell us where you started having troubles.

Good luck.

dp
11-07-2012, 01:52 AM
Paul, I'll ask this again ( this is an expanded version of my first post about this) because I can't believe you can be having much trouble if you just follow the simple video instruction on the hostpapa site, located here:
http://hostpapasupport.com/tutorials/Tutorials_WordPress.shtml

If you can't do it from those directions then either there is a serious problem with the hostpapa company (using outdated or just wrong tutorials), or you need to get a professional to do this for you. The system is very simple --unless you are way into some obscure part of WordPress that it would probably require professional help in any event.

WordPress should be up and running with basic usability in about 10 -15 minutes --embellishments are pretty easy also (unless you have some unusual needs).

If you have followed the tutorials please tell us where you started having troubles.

Good luck.

CPanel uses Fantistico scripts and Fantistico installs Wordpress 3.3.2 according to their web site. That is the version that allows blackhats to pwn the site. https://netenberg.com/fantastico.html. Wordpress 3.4.2 is the current release. Once installed it should be very easy to upgrade to the current product, though.

My server logs show several thousand attempts to exploit this flaw each week. I've written a log watch utility that looks for repeated, failed attempts to log into Wordpress and when the limit is hit that IP of the offender is blocked at the firewall. A similar thing happens with POP, IMAP, FTP, and SSH. The takedown is pretty quick. Most such are Asian and Russian sites. It is a pretty big problem.

+ or - Zero
11-07-2012, 02:32 AM
CPanel uses Fantistico scripts and Fantistico installs Wordpress 3.3.2 according to their web site. That is the version that allows blackhats to pwn the site. https://netenberg.com/fantastico.html. Wordpress 3.4.2 is the current release. Once installed it should be very easy to upgrade to the current product, though.

My server logs show several thousand attempts to exploit this flaw each week. I've written a log watch utility that looks for repeated, failed attempts to log into Wordpress and when the limit is hit that IP of the offender is blocked at the firewall. A similar thing happens with POP, IMAP, FTP, and SSH. The takedown is pretty quick. Most such are Asian and Russian sites. It is a pretty big problem.

I quite agree about the 3.3.2 problem, and I have no direct experience with hostpapa at all, and don't intend to. But that's because I host my own stuff in house and also use a couple of passable (although not great --I'm not going to make any recommendations) hosting services, mostly as fail over for when I want to take my own stuff down for service.

One thing I do is time limit multiple log in attempts from the same IP address --you know after 2 or three failures it locks out for 4 or 5 minutes, then 30 minutes then several hours, then days, then forever. If it was a legit user I'll hear about it quick enough. If it's more DoS like there are other measures that I'm sure you're more then familiar with.

All I was trying to do was find out exactly where Paul was having the difficulty --because if the hostpapa fantastico install works, then use it and upgrade --simple stuff. If it does not work change hosts (sounds like a good idea anyway from your last post).

The one thing that's sure is WordPress is a pretty simple as to a basic install, or should be, millions of people seem to manage it (well lots anyway, probably millions if the number of WordPress blogs that seem to be springing up daily out there are any indication). So the problem is Paul (I sort of doubt this), or with the host (a stronger possibility).

Or it could be a simple mistake on Paul's part from early on in the set up of his service, or (again more likely) a mistake in the hostpapa (by hostpapa) initial set up.

The intent was diagnostic as to the error point.

Evan
11-07-2012, 03:28 PM
They need happier customers.

I have had very occasional problems with the help people on live chat but I cannot complain about down time. There is virtually none. If there were it would be very obvious here as my photos would not show up.

Here is what I serve just to this forum and my related web site:

http://ixian.ca/pics10/ixian.png

That is only a part of what my server handles as it also serves a number of other sites including one for the Prince George chapter of the Royal Astronomical Society which is fairly busy. Total served is around 8 gigs per month and several million hits per month. Just this site is around 3 to 5 gig per month and around 1 million get requests per year.

Evan
11-08-2012, 10:51 AM
I just received update notice from Host Papa:



The following script updates are available:

WordPress 3.4.2:
http://ixian.ca/wpress


To upgrade these scripts go to your Control Panel -> Softaculous -> Installations.
There you will be able to update the scripts.

Paul Alciatore
11-11-2012, 11:13 AM
I guess I have been guilty of ignoring my own thread, but I have been busy and this is an "end of the day" project at the present time so I can't work on it as much as I would like.

Here is where I am. First, I guess I have answered my question about a book with a visit to a local book store. I did get one and it did have the work "Dummies" in the title: WordPress for Dummies, Eight in One. It appears to be good and I am several chapters into it.

Second, on the web site I have followed the directions for installing WordPress on the site and it appears to be there. I put it in a directory that I created called software. This appears to be OK from all that I can read. There was a final line that seems to be saying that I should complete the installation by a web call to an "install" page after the files are in place. I tried this but nothing seemed to happen. I don't know if it worked or not.

Finally, after a lot of reading, it seems that this WordPress "software" is accessed by a call to a web address via my web browser. I have tried many forms of that address but none seem to do anything. So, I am not sure that this assumption on my part is correct or if I am still missing something. I have a help ticket started at HostPapa and am awaiting a reply.

Why can't people who are so good at writing software find a way to explain how that software is used that people can understand? I mean, the ability to write computer code seems to erase any functionality in their native language (English). Any clarification here would be appreciated.

dp
11-11-2012, 11:33 AM
Web servers have a pre-defined variable that identifies the document root directory. That is of you enter the name of a website into your browser with no additional information after the .net or .com, the server will look in a specific directory for a specific file or file that is in a list of default names (index.htm, index.html, index.php, default.htm, homepage.htm, etc.). You need to get this information from your ISP or your website will not work as you wish.

It may be in fact that if you enter "http://yourdomain.com/software/" you will see your Wordpress setup screen. You can't get to the next step though until you know where your document root is supposed to be.

It may also be that your CPanel interface lets you configure this. Some CPanel sites expect you to do everything (and know everything) and others have learned they get fewer support calls if they do some of the grunt work for you.

Evan
11-11-2012, 01:38 PM
Re-install Wordpress into the "public_html" directory. That is the default directory for your domain name. That way Wordpress will load automatically. If you leave it where it is the address will be http://pauls_domain.com/software You can also use the directory named www which is just an alias for the public_html directory.

When you do the install then go to the files panel in cPanel and select file manager in a new tab. There you will see a reasonable facsimile of a file manager. You should find the Wordpress files in the public_html folder. If so, then simply put your domain name in the address bar of your web browser and the complete installation page should appear.

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dp
11-11-2012, 02:14 PM
Re-install Wordpress into the "public_html" directory. That is the default directory for your domain name. That way Wordpress will load automatically. If you leave it where it is the address will be

I wonder why public_html - that typically is gotten to using http://example.com/~username/ where ~username is an alias for the user's public_html directory in their home directory and is linked to their login name, whereas http://example.com/ would take you straight to the user's personal domain name's document root. Generally speaking this means that using the site's hostname rather than your own domain and the ~username/ will take you to your published site but using the wrong domain (in the http 1.1 world view). To clarify, public_html is not typically an alias of www and vice versa, and has to do with separation of content based on the domain name in the browser's URL window.

That is the default, at least, for apache, and is of course entirely configurable. Public_html would normally be used for the test instance of your production pages.

Evan
11-11-2012, 08:48 PM
Don't ask me, I didn't set it up. In this case www is definitely an alias to public_html. They are the same place and they are the root html directory.

dp
11-11-2012, 09:25 PM
Don't ask me, I didn't set it up. In this case www is definitely an alias to public_html. They are the same place and they are the root html directory.

It's just a professional curiosity I have when I see well established standards tweaked in unusual ways. In this case it is well established but not cast in stone.

The place I retired from in June has asked me to come back to help over the holiday crush and in the short time I've been gone some really strange examples of standards corruption has crept in. I'm a contractor now and can't put things right but I'm going to ask why.

All the sites I host have available to them the ~username web space (public_html) too, and none of them use it. They tweak their live pages in real time and suffer the indignity of having the world see their sites go down or show up with CSS corruption :). It isn't that big of a deal as they're not revenue generating pages, but I treat them all as if they were. They generate support calls for me, though, and I don't charge for it. I may have to revisit that policy.

One customer recently deleted a .css file that is the heart and soul of the site's wordpress theme. I was able to pull it from a recent backup and get the pages looking normal again. Database corruption is a bit harder but I back that up to and can restore to a point in time in 24-hour increments. Finding the problem is the larger problem because it isn't possible to play back the clicks that get them in trouble.