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interiorpainter
01-07-2011, 12:19 PM
Ah huh sounds a bit dirty.
Not related in any way.
http://doe-het-zelf-verbouw.marktplaats.nl/gereedschap/409891598-biax-schraapmachine-compleet-in-originele-zwitserse-koffer.html?return=eJw1jEEKwjAQRe9SaJbtxGoXE4LUm4Q 20tAkHToJiOLdTVB3783%2FfwxKfDkExSgvgA1bc8yrWlMi7Pt tJxu7YI4tkTcmcRd9%2F610tNL14bUUC%2Bu0t8Mk2%2BGWXYU zgIRxLO5T8aejgnxf%2BNeieoUCoQRTzMEebi66c52fBFHWILL T%2F0%2BNen8A0BEzbg%3D%3D&df=1&fta=eNo1jVtuwyAURPdyP%2FwN%2BIXvlbfQLVgUaIqEYxQgtR pl7wHS%2Fp3RaOYonPERUSLkm9%2FuykegiHPJp195Z%2BKaDu SUHfKBMc6miXzCXxcofplYmpCQ0R7wmnd7c5qO6FB0IeSVddmt %2F6v6OiAEdbFA5azEHsGZphsLcjlZreV4VvgUyxvmntkG46xF g0HppUEvpKxjXsbpCMrEzdvrJX3Xf1aKBWFX51aVxWKaUyCoH6 CPP7wDKWT4eD5fEmtOtw%3D%3D&fta_ind=3&fs=1
Nice link :D
Made in Swis, so who won the bet.

interiorpainter
01-07-2011, 12:25 PM
BTW what do you call a camelback rule for scraping in Dutch. I have been looking for a small one but a Google search without a name is a bit steap.

MCS
01-07-2011, 02:18 PM
BTW what do you call a camelback rule for scraping in Dutch. I have been looking for a small one but a Google search without a name is a bit steap.

@Binnenschilder: brugrei.

lazlo
01-07-2011, 02:27 PM
@Binnenschilder: brugrei.

What does that mean in Dutch? I always thought the American "Camel Back" colloquialism was odd.

MCS
01-07-2011, 02:39 PM
What does that mean in Dutch? I always thought the American "Camel Back" colloquialism was odd.

A "brug" is a bridge.
A "rei" is a long(ish), small width line reference.

A "brugrei" is a height stiffened reference, with only one contact area.

As the stiffening can be roundish the camels come in to the picture, but no camels in Holland.

interiorpainter
01-07-2011, 04:24 PM
Yes thank you. It Googles up to something useful and realy expensive or..maconnary items. Got enough of those:D
Putting the name into the search engine of Marktplaats, the youngest daughter of Ebay, i come up with a ground steel version that could be used as a camelback when accurate enough.
http://doe-het-zelf-verbouw.marktplaats.nl/draaibanken/405590803-machine-rei.html?return=eJwtjNsKwjAQRP%2Bl0D7mYn1KCNL%2BSW giCbl0yaYoiv%2FuFn2aMzsza5VU76iERiWvUg3obduCDr2D4j zt4CsrtqUO2dqOrGb%2BqzAIcHtmIyeHpu%2FjvMhxXl0kIM2d 9BWBEO8O%2FymcV0FQKFjqUXyLG9n0INs8bdcdzw%2BXCeAwYt CfL0AlMk0%3D&df=1&fta=eNotkFtuwyAQRffCR78ZHh48KFvoFiIeQ2vVaazgpKhV91 5w%2Bnd0uXORTiCkn0qOxP22nh9hrcJXmiyJtp7gJdfTfiXweS G%2F7vS9bL6WXHuy7ST9ZaPP%2B4VvS%2FIfX3TjxV%2FrQupl 2%2B4nOYYMiS28sfBLP6mkSSz5%2BEFNncFhnFXExmwQbWmACg OCabFoiEY1cBOk2ZQDpJsOkJGdG5CRMz8BGTtYNGjnAyDI1MFk m6xqRVsVQzy6TqfUnEk6PY%2FRJQyjKtHASHS06gk626JaMEbO rFuSKYd5jKiUNegBtoTEB3COUwfgDGiPuWKmsQvaKOxly3OUDD 2RbLn0jurdOIXhA7qO%2FbqFXM8rf77t70OZ7A8ziUto52Gxi8 ukhjwS4Uv41398CB9I0s%2Fv7x9AbYkT&fta_ind=22&fs=1&thumb_click=1#photoGallery
Looks like a Chinese markings on the side. I have got a smaller Polak copy of this one in steel.
This item will go out of my pricerange.
A start of a new hunting expedition.

form_change
01-08-2011, 02:36 AM
MCS,
How does Marktplaats work? Is it like eBay where you bid against others or are you just making an offer and hoping that it is accepted by the advertiser?
I notice that against the heading 'prijs' there is an abbreviation Notk - is that the Dutch abbreviation for make an offer?
Michael

Ian B
01-08-2011, 04:40 AM
Michael,

Marktplaats is indeed different to Ebay - there's no time limit on the "auction" (it's not an auction). The seller might put the price he's after, you can offer anything you like and see if he'll take it. A lot of stuff goes unsold.

NOTK - nader overheen te komen - we'll agree on a price.
TEAB - tegen elke aannemelijk bod - open to every acceptable/reasonable bid

Ian

DannyW
01-08-2011, 04:50 AM
@ form_change:

The Dutch abbreviation "notk" > niet overeen te komen, translates to
something like: non negotiable, having a set price. Most of the time you
are urged to contact the seller to find out what his asking price is.

As you stated, most of the time you bid against others. Your offer has to be accepted by the seller.
There is no deadline however when, or if he will sell. So phoning or emailing the seller to ask him what he thinks of your bid is needed.
And even if you have the highest bid, it is no guaranty that you will get it without conversation back and forth until the seller picks you and closes the deal.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Danny

DannyW
01-08-2011, 06:57 AM
I see that Ian has replied in a similar way as me above.

His take on the abbreviation is also valid, in a way.
But to exclude confusion, when you want a price to be negotiable, you don't want to be ambiguous with the abbreviation.
Either the price is not negotiable (notk) or it is (otk).

In the end it is up to the seller who he picks.
Someone who can pick the goods up versus shipping it to, say, Australia, then the local pick up always wins. (less hassle for the seller)

Regards,

Danny

MCS
01-08-2011, 07:01 AM
@Dannyw:

Ian B is right, NOTK means: nader overeen te komen, we'll negotiate on it.

Marktplaats is our recycling site, people can buy things where other people wont to get rid off.

The above mentioned seller has also a phone number, I saw the bid was 60 euro. If the contraption is worth 80 euro to someone, just phone and ask: "Would you sell it for 80 euro?".

Although I see that the bid is already up and about 50% of what these things cost new, which makes the decision easier.

There is no better reference than a new reference with a guarantee.

DannyW
01-08-2011, 07:24 AM
@ MCS

Yea-but ... Then what is the abbreviation of non negotiable? Nnotk?? (unusual)

Not that is matters in any way.
Buyer and seller contact each other all the time and it soon becomes clear to both what it is that each one looks for.

The meaning - or whatever one thinks it stands for - of the abbreviation, is soon forgotten.
It is enough for the prospect buyer to make contact to serve its purpose.

Regards,

Danny

MCS
01-08-2011, 07:44 AM
@ MCS

Yea-but ... Then what is the abbreviation of non negotiable? Nnotk?? (unusual)

Not that is matters in any way.
Buyer and seller contact each other all the time and it soon becomes clear to both what it is that each one looks for.

The meaning - or whatever one thinks it stands for - of the abbreviation, is soon forgotten.
It is enough for the prospect buyer to make contact to serve its purpose.

Regards,

Danny

Just had a quick look on Marktplaats for reference.

A non negotiable price is just a price without any abbreviation, it's fixed.
Then there is n.o.t.k, a price to be agreed on.
And t.e.a.b. (tegen elk aannemelijk bod), against any acceptable offer.

interiorpainter
01-08-2011, 08:49 AM
For me, a bit like MSC discribed, Marktplaats only works when i email or call the seller asking what he had in mind. Placing a bid will make the "auction" go on and on for ever.
It also gives me the opportunity to get a feel of what this person in on about.
Don't want to spent half a day in a car for a vague appontment. Holland is not that big, it just takes that long.
Not being a binding auction it must be the advertisingfees that are paying for the server.
At the time of the Ebay takeover the started to allow busines ads and links.
The ever so funny "auction" are the ones where people are bidding half price on a new item that is obviously sitting in one of the internetshops:rolleyes:
Most of time the items that are without a guideline for the asking price are a hopeless case of negotiation.

I agree on notk nader overeen te komen: we will see. Nope not with petrol at 1,5 euros a liter.

form_change
01-08-2011, 02:39 PM
Thanks for the responses guys. It sounds like the marktplaats system is more like a newspaper classified than the auction sites that I'm used to.
I'm not planning on bidding (not speaking Dutch and being in Australia as someone noted are 2 reasons), but it's interesting to see how these things are done.
We have one auction site here in Oz that is a hybrid between an eBay auction and a traditional one. It's most annoying feature is that to win you have to be the highest bidder at closing time and there not having been a bid within 10 minutes of the close. As a result you can be waiting 1/2 an hour or more after the scheduled close to see whether you have won...

Michael

oldtiffie
01-08-2011, 05:17 PM
This is a pretty good run-down on what the Biax Scraper and its accessories and use are, but it gives no new prices to use as bench-marks:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9943739/BIAX-POWER-SCRAPER

http://www.dapra.com/biax/scrapers/images/biax-action.jpg

http://www.dapra.com/biax/scrapers/images/scraper.jpg

Does anyone have an "in the USA" representative and current price list and catalogue for Biax scrapers and accessories which will also provide a good bench-mark or measuring-stick for comparative costs of used items?

I am interested in a new Biax BL-10 model.

I can't find a Supplier/Dealer or Trader for new Biax's other than Dapra in the USA who have a very good list but no listed prices.

http://www.dapra.com/biax/scrapers/

http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&source=hp&biw=1276&bih=469&q=biax+scraper&aq=0&aqi=g2&aql=&oq=biax+scrap&gs_rfai=&fp=42c33c885e5e233

If I can't get a good indicative price from here I will email Dapra during the coming week.

Warren
01-08-2011, 06:28 PM
Tiffie,

I bought some parts from Dapra last fall & I have a price list here from October, 2010

BL-10 $3,098.00 usd
7-ESM 3549.00
7-ELM 3359.00
HM-10 2695.00 Flaker

The price is the same for the 220V model as well.

oldtiffie
01-08-2011, 06:47 PM
Thanks Warren - very much appreciated.

I had a figure of that level in mind although I can't recall where I got it from.

My power supply is 230v 50Hz and so I will need the 220v model.

I will need some accessories as well so I can see the all-in cost being about US$4,000 or more. I take it that those costs are with local US taxes. In many cases a lot of those taxes do not apply to "foreign" sales - ie to Australia where a 10% "Goods and Services" tax is applied on the total cost (machine and accessories + postage, handling et.) to land the goos in Australia (OZ).

My guess is that it will be in the US$4,500+ zone.

The AU$ is near enough to being at parity with the US$ as AU$ ~ US$0.99

I will email Dapra this week for a quote to send the items to OZ.

You are the first one I've seen that has put a current price on Biax scrapers.

A lot of others say they are "expensive" or that eBay items are "cheap" (and a lot in between) without any base figure to use as a comparison for assessing the worth of a bid or a a price.

.RC.
01-08-2011, 07:34 PM
If I can't get a good indicative price from here I will email Dapra during the coming week.

There is an AU dealer..

http://www.hettlertrading.com.au/

.RC.
01-08-2011, 07:42 PM
Tiffie,

I bought some parts from Dapra last fall & I have a price list here from October, 2010

BL-10 $3,098.00 usd
7-ESM 3549.00
7-ELM 3359.00
HM-10 2695.00 Flaker

The price is the same for the 220V model as well.

I am surprised the 7-ELM is still available.. I thought it was superseded by the BL10 and BL40 models.

Warren
01-08-2011, 07:48 PM
RC I know the BL-10 is listed as a smaller unit for lighter work or the field serviceman. When I spoke to the sales guy, he said the 7-elm is a current model as that was what I was after parts for.

I do not recall seeing a BL-40 listed in their catalog or web site. Where did you see the BL-40 listed?

Cheers

oldtiffie
01-08-2011, 08:05 PM
Originally Posted by oldtiffie
If I can't get a good indicative price from here I will email Dapra during the coming week.



There is an AU dealer..

http://www.hettlertrading.com.au/

Thanks .RC.

I didn't see that on the web.

I tried the Hettler Trading web site and not much joy there.

This was the best page:
http://www.hettlertrading.com.au/grinders.htm

I see they are in Melbourne so its only about a three hour drive there and back.

I'd much rather buy locally if they have the range and are competitive and I will have no worry about transport, Customs and the GST.

I will phone or email them this week.

What sort of stock do they have/carry?

lazlo
01-08-2011, 08:09 PM
RC I know the BL-10 is listed as a smaller unit for lighter work or the field serviceman. When I spoke to the sales guy, he said the 7-elm is a current model as that was what I was after parts for.

BL-10 is the lightweight version. 7-ELM is medium weight, all-purpose scraper, 7-ESM is the heavy duty model.

The 7-ELM seems to be the most popular version. I have the earlier version, which doesn't have variable speed.

http://www.dapra.com/biax/scrapers/index.html

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u15/rtgeorge_album/biax.png

.RC.
01-08-2011, 08:24 PM
RC I know the BL-10 is listed as a smaller unit for lighter work or the field serviceman. When I spoke to the sales guy, he said the 7-elm is a current model as that was what I was after parts for.

I do not recall seeing a BL-40 listed in their catalog or web site. Where did you see the BL-40 listed?

Cheers

Looks like the BL40 and BS40 are the European versions

http://www.biax-germany.com/

lazlo
01-08-2011, 11:29 PM
Looks like the BL40 and BS40 are the European versions

http://www.biax-germany.com/

Looking at the stats, the BS-40 is what's sold in the US as the 7ESM. The BL-40 is the 7ELM, and the BL-10 and HM-10 are the same in the US and Germany.

The HM-10 is the Half-Moon flaker.