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S&S_ShovelHead
02-27-2011, 05:11 PM
Im looking to get a milling machine for around or under $2000. It will be used for aluminum, brass, mild steel and possibly some high carbon steel (mostly hobby stuff). Ive never owned a milling machine before and my knowledge on them is very limited so I think it would be best to get a new one as I wouldnt really know how to test a used one.

I was think of http://www.grizzly.com/products/Mill-Drill-w-Variable-Speed-Power-Feed/G1007

or http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-x-21-Mill-Drill/G0619.

I like the idea of having power feed, but Ive read people recommend a square column as apposed to a round. Is this just because of having to allign the head with the table after raising/lowering it? Im leaning towards grizzly because I have a lathe from them that Im happy with.

Any thoughts or recommendations on these or other machines would really be appreciated.

Black_Moons
02-27-2011, 05:24 PM
Square collumn all the way. You can buy/adapt power feed onto a mill later for like $200~300.

Hair over $2000 but I still HIGHLY recommend this mill: https://www.machinetoolswarehouse.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16133&cat=252&bestseller=Y
30"x12"x19" travel (21" Max Z) as opposed to 16"x6"x15"
1000lbs compaired to 400lbs

Thats bigger then you'll find on any round collumn mill for anything remotely similar priced...
Does anyone know where to get these in the USA? (MTW is canada based)
I really should ask MTW how much freight across the boarder costs..

tmarks11
02-27-2011, 05:29 PM
Don't go for the round column. If you don't mind a relatively big, heavy machine, then get Grizzly's RF45 clone, the G0519. About the same size as the G1007 you mentioned. Note that Grizzly has sharply increased their machinery prices over the last 4 years, while their competitors have stayed relatively constant. You can buy a RF45 clone cheaper now from WTTool, for $1300-1500. Grizzly probably offers better long-term parts support. Precision Matthews also is cheaper (since they have free shipping):

http://tool.wttool.com/nav/cat2/Mill&DrillMachines/cat1/Machinery/0
http://precisionmatthews.com/PM45Mbenchmill.html

Lots of people have bought the Sieg SX3 from Grizzly (the G0619 that you mentioned). A new offering, a Weiss WM25 clone, the G0704, is a new alternative. It seems to be a little better stuck together then the SX3. Both are good choice for a relatively light weight mill. Check out Hoss' webpage: www.G0704.com

MetalMunger
02-27-2011, 05:40 PM
Square collumn all the way. .....
Does anyone know where to get these in the USA? (MTW is canada based)
I really should ask MTW how much freight across the boarder costs..

Just your basic RF-45 clone.
Grizzly discontinued their G0484, to bad good machine

Quality Machine Tools
http://www.machinetoolonline.com/PM45MMill.html

macona
02-27-2011, 05:43 PM
Yeah, round columns suck big time. I would love to push the one we have at work off the dock.

Black_Moons
02-27-2011, 06:51 PM
Just your basic RF-45 clone.
Grizzly discontinued their G0484, to bad good machine

Quality Machine Tools
http://www.machinetoolonline.com/PM45MMill.html

Except, its not. Its your basic IH clone. Much bigger then an RF-45

RF45 = 9"x32" Table, 21.5"x8"x14" Travel, 1.5HP, Max Z height 16"
IH = 9.375"x39.5" Table, 30"x12"x19" Travel, 2HP, Max Z height 22"

Little bigger table, MUCH bigger travel. the extra 4" on the Y being the most important part I would say 8" Y verus 12" Y is a BIG diffrence. 30" X is kinda crazy. And the couple extra inchs Z I could see comming in handy with some larger work, Like trying to drill/mill small motors and such where you don't feel like disassembleing it.

Even if you don't need the extra Y travel, You WILL enjoy the extra spindle to collumn clearance.

MichaelP
02-27-2011, 07:18 PM
Get a used Bridgeport.

John Stevenson
02-27-2011, 07:22 PM
Get a used Bridgeport.


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

john11668
02-27-2011, 07:27 PM
Or Deckel FP1

Anything Chinese will become a disappointment

MichaelP
02-27-2011, 07:52 PM
John likes chinese mills more, right, John? :D

S&S_ShovelHead
02-27-2011, 08:08 PM
Looks like a I.H. clone is probally my best bet in my price range.

https://www.machinetoolswarehouse.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16133&cat=252&bestseller=Y

MetalMunger
02-27-2011, 08:11 PM
Or Deckel FP1

Anything Chinese will become a disappointment

Here we go again!

I just did an all cities search for a Deckel mill of any kind on Craigs List and the only Deckel that is for sale at the moment is a Deckel pantograph, so we are in the realm of unobtainium or long searches.
The OP stated he has limited experience. He is looking for a new mill under 2K not a rebuild project.
Chinese quality is not the best but when you buy from Grizzly or Matt at Quality Tools the machine is a known quantity, here now, affordable and backed by reasonably good service.

John Stevenson
02-27-2011, 08:31 PM
I had the same argument recently with a guy that 'claimed' he had bought a fully equipped FP1 for 'about' the same price as a new X3 mill and said everyone should do the same as he did :rolleyes:

I offered to pay him exactly twice the retail price of an X3 for it, still waiting for a reply.

Mark Hockett
02-27-2011, 08:55 PM
My friend just bought a new Deckel (DMG) lathe, it was made in China.

dalee100
02-27-2011, 09:07 PM
Hi,

I would recommend a square column bed mill over a round column also. Depending what size work you want to make, I would look at the Grizzly GO704. It's seems to be getting very good reviews from owners. While it is a smaller machine, it is half the price too.

Remember to save enough money to purchase tooling! It would be a bummer to have a new machine and no money for tooling.

dalee

MetalMunger
02-27-2011, 09:23 PM
I had the same argument recently with a guy that 'claimed' he had bought a fully equipped FP1 for 'about' the same price as a new X3 mill and said everyone should do the same as he did :rolleyes:

I offered to pay him exactly twice the retail price of an X3 for it, still waiting for a reply.

John,
I like your thinking, I would like an Emco Maximat V13, I would be willing to pay twice the price of a Grizzly G4003G. It would of course need to be delivered to Anchorage;)

The Artful Bodger
02-27-2011, 10:53 PM
I walked past a local machine shop that I recall being in business when I was a kid. Nothing seems to have changed much, neither failed nor grown much over the scores of years. I did notice they still have the same imported machines I remember seeing through the windows on my way to school.:)

S&S_ShovelHead
02-28-2011, 05:04 PM
Ive decided to get a RF-45 clone. Do you think there is much difference in quality between these:
https://www.machinetoolswarehouse.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16134&cat=309&page=1
or http://precisionmatthews.com/PM45Mbenchmill.html ?

Also what tooling do you all recommend I get to get me up and going?

Black_Moons
02-28-2011, 05:31 PM
I think the main diffrence will be shiping.
MTW is canada, PM is USA. AFAIK anyway...

Dr Stan
02-28-2011, 05:36 PM
I did notice they still have the same imported machines I remember seeing through the windows on my way to school.:)

Since you're in NZ aren't all of your machine tools "imported"? :)

Just trying to stir the pot. :D

hardtail
02-28-2011, 06:43 PM
Ive decided to get a RF-45 clone. Do you think there is much difference in quality between these:
https://www.machinetoolswarehouse.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16134&cat=309&page=1
or http://precisionmatthews.com/PM45Mbenchmill.html ?

Also what tooling do you all recommend I get to get me up and going?

You don't mention what area your from.......don't worry everyone is twinkie followers these days......and even if we wanted a shovel they seek the rare Delkron and STD these days.......LOL

I hate to knock the little mills as many guys turn out exceptional work and it may very well fit your needs for your type of work BUT look at sidecar580's link to the Bridgy, looks exception even if it is just a Bridgeport.......LOL