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jeremy13
03-27-2011, 07:26 PM
Is this the original color? Just wondering. I think a member hear has a red one. And it is quite attractive. But purple is on the edge of a bit girly to me.
http://i52.tinypic.com/2jebh52.jpg

sasquatch
03-27-2011, 07:29 PM
Man- people paint machines the STRANGEST colours!!!

(Must be a younger generation fad.)

Elninio
03-27-2011, 07:36 PM
It must have come from a bubblegum factory ...

38_Cal
03-27-2011, 07:55 PM
My eyes hurt just looking at it, much less having to live with it and work on it in my shop! :eek:

David

Mcgyver
03-27-2011, 07:57 PM
what twisted individual would have done that?

Doc Nickel
03-27-2011, 08:00 PM
The 10EE seems to be one of the more... "hotrodded" lathes out there. Possibly because the design and art-deco trim, which makes it look less 'industrial' and more aesthetic.

I've seen them painted every color of the rainbow- Macona's is a blood red, I've also seen fire-engine red, there was an orange one that I couldn't help but photoshop a "Dukes" 01 onto the side... :D

I've seen light and dark blues, light and dark greens, gold, a dozen tones of grey ranging from blue-grey to charcoal, I've seen white, yellow, pink and black.

That purple was a new one though... :D

I recall hearing/seeing that some factories would more or less "color code" machines by section. This section was making (for example) pump parts, and all the machines had been painted red. This other section was making (for example) cylinder heads, and all their machines were painted green. And so on.

Doc.

Toolguy
03-27-2011, 08:08 PM
If the color makes everyone not bid on it, I'd take it for cheap. Color is one of the easiest things to fix on a used machine. Maybe a girl machinist was running it - who knows?

jeremy13
03-27-2011, 08:10 PM
It must have been Macona's machine. I remember seeing and liking the blood red.

JoeCB
03-27-2011, 08:16 PM
There is ONLY ONE generic color that has the word "machine" in it's name... Machinery Gray ... there is a reason for that:D
Just old fashioned, I guess
Joe B

spope14
03-27-2011, 08:25 PM
Paint it any color, if it makes good parts, runs smooth and fits the feel of the person using it, who cares. Right now with the problems I am going through with my Jet gimmee, I would take a pink lathe that worked.

Walter
03-27-2011, 09:15 PM
We had an old minster press, it was painted a slightly lighter purple. We nicknamed it "Barney", after that damn dinosaur on TV for kids. Ugliest damn thing I ever did see.

To do that to a 10EE though, someone should be strung up by the short hairs for that travesty.

JoeLee
03-27-2011, 09:15 PM
A friend of mine had a Super Bee that was painted that color.......... I think Chrysler called it plum crazy.

JL....................

Gary Heath
03-27-2011, 09:37 PM
A friend of mine had a Super Bee that was painted that color.......... I think Chrysler called it plum crazy.

JL....................

Yup ... Plum Crazy!

Just put a six pack on it and some satin black racing stripes and it'll be all 1973 'Cuda!! ;)

J Tiers
03-27-2011, 09:39 PM
There is ONLY ONE generic color that has the word "machine" in it's name... Machinery Gray ... there is a reason for that:D
Just old fashioned, I guess
Joe B

That German "machinery green" is OK too...... but too many folks make their version of green too in your face GREEN......

The German green is a background color green, I find it quite pleasant, and I would consider it, if I could find a formula for the right shade.

macona
03-27-2011, 09:40 PM
Hmm, I dont think it looks that bad.

Mine is Sherwin Williams Cinema Red. It is actually a lot darker than it shows up in the photos. Think of old crushed velvet.

darryl
03-27-2011, 09:42 PM
Purple haaaazze all o're my laaaathe, looking funny, and I don't know whyyyy, scuze meee, while I kill some guyyy

justanengineer
03-27-2011, 10:25 PM
Gray?...That signifies too new of a machine for me. I prefer my machinery in its original black, although the blue on my new Bridgey is really growing on me.

I say clean it up and use it. Worry too much about color and you will go color blind.

A.K. Boomer
03-27-2011, 11:26 PM
. But purple is on the edge of a bit girly to me.



it's only taboo on a thursday -- every other day its ok.

Evan
03-27-2011, 11:39 PM
Put in some green LED lighting and it will look jet black.

murph64
03-27-2011, 11:42 PM
I dig it. A lot...



Yup ... Plum Crazy!

Just put a six pack on it and some satin black racing stripes and it'll be all 1973 'Cuda!! ;)


Definitly needs one of these -

http://pics.montypics.com/mcduff/2011-03-27/1301283457_440_6bbl_2.jpg


somewhere in a spot it'll get noticed... :D



Andy

RussZHC
03-28-2011, 01:27 AM
Its "Plum Crazy" that missed the color match...

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/16/dodge-challenger-goes-plum-crazy-purple-for-2010/

its too "dull"/washed out, I'm guessing whats under is some sort of gray.
"Plum Crazy" I can live with but not a poor attempt...

RussZHC
03-28-2011, 01:43 AM
I'm not a big fan of everything in gray or for that matter "machine green".

Ref: Plum Crazy...a somewhat inclusive list of the Chrysler colors from 1970:

http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?manuf=Chrysler&year=1970&rows=50

its about 8 pages long; the 4 colors of "pink" in the background are near matches to offerings and "Moulin Rouge" (one of those pinks) is one of the more difficult ones to find of the late 60s/early 70s muscle cars

Mcgyver
03-28-2011, 06:56 AM
...a somewhat inclusive list of the Chrysler colors from 1970:



that pink on pink web site is more disturbing than the lathe lol, just about unreadable....stupid and a shame as obviously a lot of work went into it.

aboard_epsilon
03-28-2011, 07:51 AM
youve not seen nothing ..until youve seen a magenta Triumph Stag

this was a factory colour in the 70's

http://pictures.autotrader.ie/imgser-ie/servlet/media?id=11580139&width=400&height=300&defaultImageUrl=http://www.carzone.ie/es-ie/images/at/no-image-large.gif

ALL THE BEST.MARKJ

bborr01
03-28-2011, 09:38 AM
What's wrong with purple?

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/bborr01/DSC00662.jpg

Brian

philbur
03-28-2011, 11:21 AM
Is that your wifes' bike;)

Phil:)


What's wrong with purple?
Brian

Mike Burdick
03-28-2011, 11:44 AM
jeremy13,

Well... did you buy that one? I would, no matter what the color was!

TGTool
03-28-2011, 12:32 PM
youve not seen nothing ..until youve seen a magenta Triumph Stag

this was a factory colour in the 70's

http://pictures.autotrader.ie/imgser-ie/servlet/media?id=11580139&width=400&height=300&defaultImageUrl=http://www.carzone.ie/es-ie/images/at/no-image-large.gif

ALL THE BEST.MARKJ

Were there some of those Stags then that preferred to hang out with other Stags? That looks like it could have been one of them. :D

rkepler
03-28-2011, 12:54 PM
Mine is Sherwin Williams Cinema Red. It is actually a lot darker than it shows up in the photos. Think of old crushed velvet.

My 10EE is Sherwin-Williams "Moody Blue" after rebuilding some years ago. I was shooting for a bluish grey and it seemed close. Looks OK and better than that same old grey.

Gary Heath
03-28-2011, 01:31 PM
http://i52.tinypic.com/2jebh52.jpg

http://mustangattitude.com/graphics/sample/barracuda1970DT3358.jpg

Looks pretty darn close to me!!

It's a bit lighter than my '99 purple Prowler, and a lot lighter than my blue (but sometimes called blurple, depending on the light) HD Road King.

Like I said ........ a six pack, satin black racing stripes, a bit of waxing and you can trailer it to the local "Hot August Nights" and be the hero of a 70's classic car show. ;)

PS - The Monarch 10 is an awesome lathe IMO, and I just missed getting a used one at auction in Madera Ca. after a long search for a US made lathe before I finally settled on a PM1440BV.
I just couldn't find anything out here on the left coast that was in decent shape.
So ..... congrads on getting it!!

Best regards,

Gary

jeremy13
03-28-2011, 11:31 PM
It sold for a little over 2500.00 I did not buy it.

Paul Alciatore
03-29-2011, 02:23 AM
Somehow the darker purples come out as more dignified than the lighter shades. My opinion anyway.

That lathe makes me wonder if Liberace had a shop. Perhaps it is a collectable.

Evan
03-29-2011, 04:50 AM
I have a feeling that the colour is due to poor white balance of the camera. Just a tiny colour shift is all it takes to make gray look purple. Gray is how you set up white balance because it is made of equal proportions of red, green and blue. Change the balance at all and it isn't gray anymore. I shifted it slightly but not enough to change the colour of anything else and presto, it isn't purple anymore...

http://ixian.ca/pics8/monarch.jpg

Doc Nickel
03-29-2011, 08:01 AM
Actually, it's been my experience that digital cameras have considerable difficulty photographing the darker purples. I've had any number (http://docsmachine.com/galleries/BPStwister-corrected.jpg) of (http://docsmachine.com/galleries/xmag2.jpg) purple (http://docsmachine.com/galleries/ronsac.jpg) paintball (http://docsmachine.com/galleries/scsniper2.jpg) guns (http://docsmachine.com/galleries/wmrrm4.jpg) and even the occasional (http://docsmachine.com/galleries/truck1.jpg) truck (http://docsmachine.com/galleries/turniptruck.jpg), that to the camera, appeared navy blue. I had to correct all of those, including one which was scanned from a paper photo.

A lighter purple tends to come out okay- this one is uncorrected (http://docsmachine.com/galleries/phantom2.jpg), from a point and shoot digital- but there's definitely a darker range that the camera processes as navy blue. Even my big Canon 1D- if I have it save as a JPEG, it processes that purple as dark blue, every time, under almost any lighting.

Doc.

macona
03-29-2011, 01:18 PM
I have a feeling that the colour is due to poor white balance of the camera. Just a tiny colour shift is all it takes to make gray look purple. Gray is how you set up white balance because it is made of equal proportions of red, green and blue. Change the balance at all and it isn't gray anymore. I shifted it slightly but not enough to change the colour of anything else and presto, it isn't purple anymore...

http://ixian.ca/pics8/monarch.jpg

But after the white balance shift the pallet wood looks wrong. I think purple is the right color, but it may not be as vivid as in the pic. Seems a lot of sensors are overly sensitive to the red end of the spectrum.

Evan
03-29-2011, 04:27 PM
Look at the lot number sign. I very much doubt it was written on purple paper. I used that as a reference for white and shifted it closer to white.

Jim Stabe
03-29-2011, 04:34 PM
Maybe they didn't want anyone to steal it.

aboard_epsilon
03-29-2011, 04:44 PM
Lots of pictures here
Part 1 http://forum.britishv8.org/read.php?13,7581
Part 2 http://forum.britishv8.org/read.php?13,22422

wow ..nothing much left of that .

going to look good all the same ..

lots of v8s in small engine compartments suffer from overheating problems ..due to the air not have anywhere to exit once passed the rad ..

all the best.markj

macona
03-29-2011, 05:12 PM
Look at the lot number sign. I very much doubt it was written on purple paper. I used that as a reference for white and shifted it closer to white.


I think its pink paper, which I see a lot of signs made from here at work.

Look at the stripes on the front center. Those are white, (Slight pinkish tint). Also looks like the sump is white as well. And the thing sitting next to it is a pretty common industrial green.

I did a job at the local freightliner R&D facility and they had all the machines in their shop painted all sorts of god-awful colors.

Evan
03-29-2011, 05:32 PM
It's a flash picture. The scene without the lathe illuminated is very green, probably from fluorescent lighting. The camera has adjusted to reduce the green which is what gives it the purple tone since that results in an excess of blue and red. If you look in the background behind the lathe you can still see the green and the puddle is also somewhat green as well as the machine to the left.

Also, the chance that it was painted purple is probably a lot less than the chance that the camera white balance was wrong. Occam's razor applies.

Doc Nickel
03-29-2011, 06:06 PM
I think you're misapplying Ockham here.

First off, the original photo is from a sale posting- one presumes that if the lathe is not, indeed, purple, the seller would not post a photo of it suggesting it's purple, if for no other reason than to not sour a potential sale.

Second, assuming they wouldn't use pink paper is a bad assumption. The local Borough auctions not only use colored construction paper for their labels, but also color-code them. The stuff with yellow tags, to make up an example, might have come from the mechanic shop, while stuff with a green tag came from X high school, etc. I know that one color, one year, denoted items with a minimum bid- the auctioneer was not supposed to let those sell for less than Y starting price.

Third, there's no reason the lathe cannot actually be purple. Here's an orange one (http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd358/gonekayatgmailcom/shop02.jpg). This one's factory grey, but has been repainted (http://www.cnccookbook.com/img/OthersProjects/12KMonarch1.jpg). This one's dark blue (http://www.equipmatching.com/uploads/images/ok0147f972.jpg)- interestingly enough, the same tone of dark blue my Canon 350D would produce if taking a photo of that original lathe. Here's Macona's red lathe (http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/macona/DSC03181.jpg). This one's green with a tan saddle and tailstock (http://www.shamrockmachinery.com/lathe-19LESS/9734_Monarch%2010%20EE%20Lathe%2003.jpg). Here's one that's white with a brown base (http://www.bmius.com/stores/b/bmius/catalog/1049.jpg).

Fourth, the chances are very good the camera used to take the first photo was a small point-and-shoot digital, and as such, it's unlikely (if not, in a few cases, impossible) that the white balance has been altered to the point it registers a dark grey machine as a vivid purple. Especially not without adding a purple cast to the entire scene.

I'm not sure I could do that intentionally even with my 1D- greens and reds, sure, especially under various fluorescent lights. But purple?

Doc.

philbur
03-29-2011, 06:48 PM
I want the factory grey one.... Please.

Phil:)

Evan
03-29-2011, 07:45 PM
I think you're misapplying Ockham here.


Oh really? :D

Which of these explanations is shorter?



First off, the original photo is from a sale posting- one presumes that if the lathe is not, indeed, purple, the seller would not post a photo of it suggesting it's purple, if for no other reason than to not sour a potential sale.

Second, assuming they wouldn't use pink paper is a bad assumption. The local Borough auctions not only use colored construction paper for their labels, but also color-code them. The stuff with yellow tags, to make up an example, might have come from the mechanic shop, while stuff with a green tag came from X high school, etc. I know that one color, one year, denoted items with a minimum bid- the auctioneer was not supposed to let those sell for less than Y starting price.

Third, there's no reason the lathe cannot actually be purple. Here's an orange one. This one's factory grey, but has been repainted. This one's dark blue- interestingly enough, the same tone of dark blue my Canon 350D would produce if taking a photo of that original lathe. Here's Macona's red lathe. This one's green with a tan saddle and tailstock. Here's one that's white with a brown base.

Fourth, the chances are very good the camera used to take the first photo was a small point-and-shoot digital, and as such, it's unlikely (if not, in a few cases, impossible) that the white balance has been altered to the point it registers a dark grey machine as a vivid purple. Especially not without adding a purple cast to the entire scene.

I'm not sure I could do that intentionally even with my 1D- greens and reds, sure, especially under various fluorescent lights. But purple?






The white balance was off.

Silverback
03-29-2011, 07:48 PM
REALLY??? Would you guys really turn down that lathe for a reasonable cost because it might be burple??? Send it to me, I'm sure it would make my normal green and tan grizzly 10x22 look like a heap... hell, I'll trade...
:p

Evan
03-29-2011, 08:08 PM
To get the purple effect all you need is any of the cheap Fuji point-and-shoots which have also been rebranded under a variety of other names such as GE. I have one and it can't handle any scene with really bright and very dark at the same time. This is a clip from a video taken with one that I have.

http://ixian.ca/pics8/purple.jpg

Colour look familiar?

Doc Nickel
03-29-2011, 08:28 PM
Colour look familiar?

-So which part of the lathe photo was "really dark" and which part was "really light"? :D

Considering that your color artifact was produced by trying to expose a bright daylight sky, and the lathe photo was taken indoors with a cheap flash- and what you're calling a piece of "white" paper is not grossly overexposed- I think we can dismiss that possibility. :D

Doc.

macona
03-29-2011, 08:37 PM
To get the purple effect all you need is any of the cheap Fuji point-and-shoots which have also been rebranded under a variety of other names such as GE. I have one and it can't handle any scene with really bright and very dark at the same time. This is a clip from a video taken with one that I have.

http://ixian.ca/pics8/purple.jpg

Colour look familiar?


Thats from a crummy IR cut filter.

Evan
03-29-2011, 08:39 PM
So which part of the lathe photo was "really dark" and which part was "really light"?


??? The darks parts are "really dark". The lathe is "really bright", especially in the IR with a flash and a crappy IR filter.

Evan
03-29-2011, 08:41 PM
Thats from a crummy IR cut filter.

Cross post. Yes it is, a common problem that affects the white balance calculation.

Evan
03-29-2011, 08:45 PM
The funniest part of this conversation is that I am maintaining that the problem was probably due to a cheap point and shoot camera and you guys are by inference maintaining that such a camera will give perfect colour rendition under difficult circumstances. :rolleyes:

BTW, I am a real life expert in analog and digital colour imaging. That was my job for over two decades and the training I have is the best in the industry.

Doc Nickel
03-29-2011, 08:53 PM
Um, no, I'm arguing that the lathe most likely is, in fact, purple.

Someone would have to have a really awful camera, have it badly mis-set, and then not noticed that the photo of the "grey" lathe they posted showed a very vivid purple, for it to be otherwise. :D

Doc.

Doc Nickel
03-29-2011, 08:56 PM
BTW, I am a real life expert in analog and digital colour imaging. That was my job for over two decades and the training I have is the best in the industry.

-And yet, you're trying to convince us a purple lathe really isn't.

Bernie Madoff was a "real life" financial "expert", after all. He raked in billions- if that's not expertise, I don't know what is. :D

Doc.

Evan
03-29-2011, 09:07 PM
And yet, you're trying to convince us a purple lathe really isn't.


How do you know it's purple?

Doc Nickel
03-29-2011, 09:14 PM
How do you know it isn't?

Doc.

Evan
03-29-2011, 09:36 PM
How do you know it isn't?



I own at least 7 digital cameras including 3 SLRs. None of them give perfect colour rendition, just like you said. You are arguing against yourself unless you now want to claim that the camera that took the picture DID give perfect colour rendition. Just wait for the paint to dry and walk out. :D

Doc Nickel
03-29-2011, 09:54 PM
You are arguing against yourself unless you now want to claim that the camera that took the picture DID give perfect colour rendition.

-At what point did I suggest the lathe was anything other than purple? You were the one saying it wasn't, in post #33.

In my reply immediately following, I noted- and posted examples- of the difficulty many (if not most) cameras have in accurately recording that particular shade. Where in that reply, or any of the following, did I even suggest the lathe in the OP was anything other than purple?

Who's arguing against who, here? I note that a lot of your "evidence" in these threads boils down to "Trust me, I'm an Expert", full stop. :D

Doc.

Evan
03-29-2011, 10:51 PM
I note that a lot of your "evidence" in these threads boils down to "Trust me, I'm an Expert", full stop

That is a misstatement of fact.

In this case though I AM an expert. It was what I was paid to know.

Time for a short discussion of Colour Gamuts. It is impossible to represent all the visible colours using RGB additive colours. The Gamut of visible colours are not combinations of red, green and blue but are particular wavelengths of light that fall in the visible spectrum. Digital cameras use RGB filters to create colour images so by definition they cannot represent all the visible colours. That means that any colours that fall outside the RGB colour gamut will be represented by some other colour. That is exactly the problem you noted with purples appearing as blues and is one of the most obvious shortcomings when using RGB colour to represent visible colour.

Worse yet, digital cameras can't even represent all the colours of the RGB gamut since they only have 256 shades of each colour to work with when converted to a jpeg image.

Botttom line is that no digital camera can properly render colours that fall outside the RGB colour gamut. That includes about half of the colours that are discernable by the human eye. It is an absolute fact that the image of the lathe shows a different colour than you would see if you were looking at it in person.

Black_Moons
03-29-2011, 11:18 PM
If the precise responce of the RBG filters of the camera is not exactly the same as our eye (Highly doubtful it is), then its clear the camera won't see indivual wavelengths as the same mix of RBG as we do.

In addition, our eyes do automatic white balancing.. Cameras rather suck at it.

Machtool
03-29-2011, 11:52 PM
It sold for a little over 2500.00 I did not buy it.
That was the machine on the GSA site. It went for a lot more than that.

Who would have guessed this!!!

LATHE, METAL
Sale-Lot Number: W1QSCI11093011
State: VA
Current Bid: 8,010 USD
Bidders: 8
Close Time: 03/23 08:33 PM CT (Closed)
Time Remaining:
That quotation taken from P.M in the following thread, where they were also watching it. Same lot number as written in the picture here. Matt caught the bid as it closed.

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/monarch-lathes/10ee-goverment-auction-221890/

Interesting that all the guys there that looked at all the other pictures of it, seemed to think it was purple. Particularly Donnie at post #12, who has been watching it for 2 years on other Government sites, prior to it going onto G.S.A, and its been purple all that time.

Regards Phil.

{Adding on edit} Heres another picture from the listing. Perhaps thats grey also?

http://gsaauctions.gov/clsauctions/regnW/W1QSCI11093011A.JPG

Doc Nickel
03-30-2011, 12:27 AM
Heres another picture from the listing. Perhaps thats grey also?

-Well, Evan's the color expert and he says it is, so therefore it must be! :D

Doc.

Evan
03-30-2011, 01:43 AM
{Adding on edit} Heres another picture from the listing. Perhaps thats grey also?



It is purple in the picture. That isn't the same colour that it is in real life though regardless of what the actual colour really is. In particular, a Xenon flash is very high in infrared and if the camera has a poor infrared filter it will look very different from the visible light colour.

Gary Heath
03-30-2011, 02:14 AM
So .... does this all mean that there was never 'really' any Plum Crazy paint jobs, but instead ........ just bad 1970's disco lighting, and lousy IR cut filters in our post 1960's eyeballs?

Best regards,

Gary

macona
03-30-2011, 02:42 AM
So .... does this all mean that there was never 'really' any Plum Crazy paint jobs, but instead ........ just bad 1970's disco lighting, and lousy IR cut filters in our post 1960's eyeballs?

Best regards,

Gary


You were just looking at the world through plum colored glasses. :rolleyes:

Evan
03-30-2011, 02:43 AM
Try taking a picture of the "plum crazy" paint job under dark conditions with flash instead of outside. Then try it under incandescent light and then under fluorescent light and last under halogen light. All will be different, especially the halogen. Blues and purples rely on dyes and pigments that are transparent to infrared which is why it is so hard to get proper colour rendition in that range of colours.

If you can find some old colour film leader that was exposed and developed so that it looks black hold it up to a bright light. It will appear purple. Even though it only transmits about 5% of visible light it will transmit 85% in the near infrared. The same applies to IR detectors that appear to be potted in black plastic. In fact, most black pens and markers use venitian purple dye instead of black. Take a picture of that on a white painted surface that is illuminated with a halogen bulb or with a flash. There will be a large colour shift. How much and in what direction depends on the film or digital sensor. In the case of digital the sensors are sensitive through well below red down to about 2 micron wavelength. The IR cut filter is in place to prevent the infrared from screwing up the colour balance. Good IR filters cost more than poor IR filters and even then they still can't filter all the infrared.

This image was taken with one of my Canon SLRs. I used some exposed and developed film over the lens as an IR pass filter. Even though the Canon has a decent IR filter enough IR got through to make an image in just the IR band.

http://ixian.ca/pics8/canonir.jpg

IR that gets through the IR cut filter will also pass through the red pixel filters and to some extent the blue filters. It is totally stopped by the green pixel filters so the resulting image is unbalanced toward purple. The IR filter in the camera is intended to produce a proper balance under normal lighting conditions outside. Under lighting that is high in IR the balance will be off toward purple. That includes xenon flash and especially if the surface is very reflective in the IR wavelengths.

philbur
03-30-2011, 03:35 AM
Evan for once just put your hand up and say - yes I was wrong. You will gain more than you know.

Phil:)

Evan
03-30-2011, 07:14 AM
Wrong? Hardly.

This image shows the gamut of human eye, known as the visible colour space. The inner triangle is the default colour space of a jpeg image from a digital camera which is the sRGB colour space. Anything that is outside the triangle will automatically be converted to the nearest colour inside the triangle.

http://ixian.ca/pics8/gamut.jpg

That alone ensures that what you see is not what you get. Add in the problems caused by IR and the problem is multiplied. A digital camera cannot accurately reproduce colour as seen by our eyes. Period.

On top of that is the way our brains interpret colour. What you see depends on many variables including what you just recently saw, the lighting type and you own personal colour gamut which is different from everyone elses. Add in trying to reproduce that colour on a computer monitor and the gamut becomes even more limited.

edit to add: Just like everyone else you have no idea what the original colour is in that photo. The best you can do is to match to a known colour such as the colour of the steel/iron.

This is what happens when I do that and correct for poor exposure:


http://ixian.ca/pics8/purple2.jpg

The little numbers are the proportions of red, green and blue. On the right I have equalized them so that the steel is gray. I pay no attention to the colours in the image, just the correction to equal amounts of RGB in the gray area.

philbur
03-30-2011, 08:59 AM
Absolutely Priceless.

So, based on all the available evidence, do you believe that the lathe is painted purple. Yes or no will do.

Phil:)


Wrong? Hardly.

aboard_epsilon
03-30-2011, 09:05 AM
looks purple or mauve, what ever he does to the picture ..aint grey that's for sure.

plenty of times here..someone has posted that im wrong ..i just agree with them ..and thats that...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SxiO-SYSQ9Y/TCFubZM0nII/AAAAAAAAAV0/VgoBD55LQxA/s1600/Cover.jpg

all the best.markj

Mcgyver
03-30-2011, 09:18 AM
plenty of times here..someone has posted that im wrong ..i just agree with them ..and thats that...


such a good approach, 'you may be right' is my favorite come back for when humanity is best served with quick end to a useless point /counter point spiral. I pray we don't go that quickly back to the unbearable tedium every other thread became :mad: .

Purple? Grey? Bad exposure? You may be right!

John Stevenson
03-30-2011, 09:18 AM
I own at least 7 digital cameras including 3 SLRs. None of them give perfect colour rendition, just like you said. You are arguing against yourself unless you now want to claim that the camera that took the picture DID give perfect colour rendition. Just wait for the paint to dry and walk out. :D

But do you own a purple 10EE ?

Mcgyver
03-30-2011, 09:21 AM
But do you own a purple 10EE ?

no but back when i was painting 10ee's purple for a living.....:D

John Stevenson
03-30-2011, 09:29 AM
That is a misstatement of fact.

In this case though I AM an expert. It was what I was paid to know.



Reminds me of this thread, last two posts.

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/images/misc/subscribed.gif Gasoline & Linseed oil, floor covering? (http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=36351&highlight=Myford+factory)


The fact I worked opposite this building for 19 years seems to have escaped our Ex - Purt.
Add to this it's the same design as hundreds of similar lace mills in this neck of the woods, but no Even with his 20 / 21 sight all the way from BC KNOWS it's wrong.

bollocks.

philbur
03-30-2011, 09:40 AM
Occam's razor.

It looks like it's purple so it probably is.

Phil:)

pressurerelief
03-30-2011, 09:45 AM
I see we are BACK to arguing about stupid stuff that really does not matter a hill of beans.

Some people seem to have a need to argue and try to prove their point no matter how trivial or BS it is.

Does the lathe produce work as good as the operators skills are?