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plunger
04-01-2011, 04:05 PM
Does anyone have a solution to a cheap chineese magnetic indicator holder?
Mine seems very clumsy and never seems to be able to reach the job without me fighting with it. I was hoping to create me a weekend project

The Artful Bodger
04-01-2011, 04:24 PM
Mine is very clumsy too, supposedly made by Starret it flops all over the place until I get the knob tightened then it is usually in the wrong place!:confused:

PixMan
04-01-2011, 04:37 PM
Best solution to the problem: Noga

End of story

The three I own, and all are good, but the Noga on the right is the easiest to use and I find has the strongest magnet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/kenm10759/Dads%20shop/IMG_0752-r.jpg

Harvey Melvin Richards
04-01-2011, 04:42 PM
I have all sorts of indicator holders that I rarely use. If I need to accurately indicate something I reach for my Noga, or I use clamps, solid bars and Starrett snugs.

Dale Lusby
04-01-2011, 04:47 PM
And for those of us not in the know on Noga visit their website - www.noga.com (no affiliation). My first thought was ooh that's nice! Then my second thought was to curse Pixman for posting this as I now can see my wallet lighter and my wishlist longer:) I can definitely see how that is tons better than my cheap chinese junk. Has anyone made anything close that I could copy?

Pherdie
04-01-2011, 05:01 PM
I'm another Noga convert.

After wasting my money on a couple of crappy Chinese 'wanna-be' indicator holders, I went for a Noga. The difference was amazing (at least to me :D ).

The Artful Bodger
04-01-2011, 05:05 PM
I'm another Noga convert.

After wasting my money on a couple of crappy Chinese 'wanna-be' indicator holders, I went for a Noga. The difference was amazing (at least to me :D ).


But on the other hand I bought Starret, paid the price, and ended up with crap anyway!:mad:

Next time I will wisely buy Chinese and get what I pay for!:D

lbhsbz
04-01-2011, 05:09 PM
Get a Noga....The chinese ones are worthless

PixMan
04-01-2011, 05:16 PM
In my experience, there's only a couple things that Starrett isn't particularly good at making. Electronic digital measuring tools, and magnetic bases. Don't get me wrong, I am reasonably satisfied with those two No.657's, but they just don't much love these days given the performance of the Noga. It's in a league of it's own.

plunger
04-01-2011, 05:47 PM
Has anyone tried making a holder like the noga or is it out of reach home shop skills. I live in africa and this noga is likely to be more expensive than my workshop.Looks like an nice project to try

PixMan
04-01-2011, 05:55 PM
I suppose you'd have to take apart a Noga and reverse engineer it. I like mine too much to do that to it, sorry. Even if you got all the measurements, the real challenge might be nailing down the tolerances and finding the exact same magnets. Good luck with that, they are really good magnets.

shadoof
04-01-2011, 06:06 PM
Check this thread out, by Teenage Machinist, top job.

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=32600


how it turned out

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=34894

Lee.

Mark Hockett
04-01-2011, 06:52 PM
I always seem to be the odd man out. I have Noga mag base holders and I think they are complete crap. The heads are so loose when I use it to set up my CNC lathe the indicator dial shifts .002" at the start of movement when rotating around a tool to locate center line. I sent an email with a video to Noga complaining about how loose it was but got no reply. Here is the video,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1c9cPSPyhU

I would be interested to hear if others have the same amount of play in their Nogas.

My local industrial supplier sells Earth Chain (ECE) mag base holders and from what I have seen at the store they are much nicer than the Nogas. Heres a picture of one,

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c10/mahockett/universal-arms2.jpg

The Earth Chain holders are more expensive than the Nogas but as much as I use it its worth it. I am going to order some and if they work out the Nogas are going on ebay.

PixMan
04-01-2011, 07:45 PM
I would be interested to hear if others have the same amount of play in their Nogas.



Mine is similar to the one in your video, and it is NOTHING like that. The one I have is about as close to perfect as I could ever hope for.

I feel for you, because that one looks like a bad one.

paulsv
04-01-2011, 08:18 PM
+1 on the Noga. It is one place where even a cheapskate like me is happy he paid for good quality.

Moxiedad2001
04-02-2011, 08:38 AM
I have a couple of Nogas and love them. But I have a question: Will the magnet degrade if it is left "on" and stuck to cast iron? I'm in the habit of leaving the test indicator in and sticking the Noga to the far end of my Bridgeport ram for storage. Kim

J Tiers
04-02-2011, 11:03 AM
While I agree the chinese and Starrett etc are clumsy, if you know how, they are pretty easy to use......

You have to hold the pieces such that you are holding both pieces, each between different fingers, then you can adjust OK.... Bit of a nuisance and takes co-ordination, but works...

Never tried the Noga.

Arthur.Marks
04-02-2011, 11:46 AM
I feel for you, because that one looks like a bad one.
Yeah, that is nothing I would accept from Noga. You might send them the video and get a replacement :cool: . That is unacceptable as opposed to typical from them. FWIW, I like the models with the fine adjust knob on the base. I feel it is a stronger system than the swivel at the holder (as yours is). Still, no excuse for that wiggle on yours.

Another FYI, if anyone finds the on/off magnets weak for their preference, the permanent mag bases are always going to be stronger. I have never had an issue with my Noga on/off base. In my experience, it is plenty strong, but I can appreciate being picky with measurement tools. I received a small permanent mag base with a Reglus angle gauge. I have no qualms whatsoever with sticking it on a machine at 90. Using it has made me appreciate the permanent bases much more than I previously had.
http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx357/Arrak_Thumrs/Widgets/DSCN4536.jpg

Mark Hockett
04-02-2011, 01:11 PM
Yeah, that is nothing I would accept from Noga. You might send them the video and get a replacement :cool: . That is unacceptable as opposed to typical from them. FWIW, I like the models with the fine adjust knob on the base. I feel it is a stronger system than the swivel at the holder (as yours is). Still, no excuse for that wiggle on yours.


I sent Noga the video and a description of the problem and never received a reply. That is one reason I will never buy Noga products again. For the work we do we really need the fine adjustment on the head. The fine adjustment on my Noga was not very good. Because of the design the tension would change through the range of motion. It would go from very stiff to no tension and then stop moving long before it should stop moving. It has a very poorly designed head.

Arthur.Marks
04-02-2011, 03:14 PM
For the work we do we really need the fine adjustment on the head.
In that case, you might try the Fisso microfine adjustable holders: http://www.baitella.com/pdf/FISSO_StratoLine_E.pdf They function essentially the same as the Noga but use a different design for the head: http://www.fisso.com/pdf/Universal_Applications_11_07.pdf

Arthur.Marks
04-02-2011, 03:35 PM
For $30 it is worth a try to see if it fixes your problem, right?
http://www.flexbar.com/shop/pc/showsearchresults.asp?keyword=microfine%20adjustme nt

S_J_H
04-02-2011, 06:39 PM
I have been making do with the cheap chinese Indicator holders. Total pieces of junk though.
Odd coincidence, only minutes ago I was just checking out the Noga indicator holders before seeing this thread for the first time.

Yeah something looks very wrong with the Noga holder in the video.
Let us know if they respond to the video as that looks really bad!

I also would like to have one of these Noga deburring sets-
http://www.noga.com/nogaProducts.php?prdID=NG9500

Steve

lost in la
04-02-2011, 08:50 PM
Try this indicator holder--Made in USA


Losthttp://www.cartertools.com/fmsbmb.html#ihwa

Mark Hockett
04-02-2011, 10:11 PM
Here is the other defect on my Noga holder. The fine adjustment does not work properly through the full range. It has about .100" of slop in the adjustment where the adjustment knob does nothing. It feels like the spring was never right. It has been this way since it was new. Here is a video showing the problem,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu5oCGbvQYI

I just bought this thing from my local industrial supplier. I spend at least $1k a month there so I will call them on Monday and see if they will exchange it for a better one.

plunger
04-03-2011, 01:07 AM
I am suprized this hasnt been pursued by more hsmers I soppose they are cheap enough where you guys live to not bother. I wish to make this I just dont understand a few things. What prevents the bush that is cut at an angle to not rotate out of sync to each other. I could not make out j harps drawing but thats more to do with my short concentration span

BadDog
04-03-2011, 02:41 AM
I've got 2 Noga holders, one Starrett, and a Chinese. I always reach for a Noga, and neither of mine have any of the indicated problems.

jugs
04-03-2011, 04:08 AM
I tried one of these tho it couldn't be much good at that price -http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Special-Magnetic-Base-red-0-40-0-Dial-Test-Indicator-/250783721869?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item3a63dfe98d

-Wrong or Wong :D

They are absolutely great- well made, strong switchable magnetic base, easy to adjust, stiff when you fiddle with it's knob, + an easy to read indicator. Arrived in 5 days from china (it can take that long to get stuff across the UK).

Good value, so I bought a few more & have them dotted around the shop (saves walking)

I recommend them.


john
:)

Davo J
04-03-2011, 11:10 AM
That is another one of 'CTC'tools' ebay shops. I bought the same indicator base because I was after something small for certain jobs and like you I am happy with it.

Dave