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gary350
04-06-2011, 07:29 PM
I have this thing called Manzel Buffalo 4252 and I have no idea what it is or what it does. I did a web search for Manzel Buffalo I found several things of old vintage antique things for steam engines. I don't need this Manzel Buffalo 4252 I want to sell it on ebay. But you know how people are on ebay if you says, I don't know what this is or what it does all I know is it is made of steel and has a 2 5/8" hex socket on one end, it weights about 10 lbs, it is 11 1/4" long and it has a 7/8" hole for a large steel rod so the thing can be turned. Hole through the center is 1 7/16" diameter. Someone will buy it and complain I should have called it by its correct name and told what it really does then give me negative feedfack. I don't know what it is or what it is worth do you guys have any idea. This may have belonged to my uncle or grandfather. My grandfather drove a Hudson Steam Locomotive 4-6-2 from Mattoon Illinois to Alton Illinois every day for 30 years. My uncle worked in the railroad yard in Mattoon Illinois for 30 years. What is it and what is it used for???

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/gary350/100_1172.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/gary350/100_1173.jpg

Dr Stan
04-06-2011, 07:53 PM
My best guess is a type of socket wrench.

Is it cast or forged? If its cast the socket walls are very thin.

When I searched I found that Manzel Buffalo made Ford service tools. So maybe its for a Fordson tractor.

You may want to take a look at the sixth post on this page as the poster says he collects this brand of tool.

http://www.fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=344302

wierdscience
04-06-2011, 08:00 PM
I have a sheetmetal version very similar to yours,they are used to unscrew the bonnets off of globe valves for seat repair and packing.Yours I can't tell from the pic,but it should have a hole extending up into the shank about 2-2-1/2" to accept the stem of the valve.It is used when you don't have room to swing a regular bonnet wrench.

gary350
04-06-2011, 08:02 PM
My best guess is a type of socket wrench.

Is it cast or forged? If its cast the socket walls are very thin.

When I searched I found that Manzel Buffalo made Ford service tools. So maybe its for a Fordson tractor.

You may want to take a look at the sixth post on this page as the poster says he collects this brand of tool.

http://www.fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=344302

The metal has a 1/4" wall thickness. Closer inspection I am sure it is cast I see what looks like a parting line on the side. The other side looks like it had a 1/4" thick sprue it must have been connected to a pattern with several other wrenches. The letters are cast 90 degrees from the parting line so it has to be a casting. The metal surface looks like it was cast in some very fine grain sand it is smoother than the typically casting.

My Father was a truck machanic for 20 years. He worked all a kinds of large trucks. Maybe it has something to do with trucks.

I have 2 more wrenches look at this. I was told these are lug nut wrenches for large trucks. One wrench says, Ken-Tool TR98. It is 15 3/8" long weighs about 10 lbs made of steel and has a 1 1/2" hex socket on one end. The other end has a 7/8" square hole in the end and a 3/4" hex hole through the side. The other wrench says, Herbrand made is usa NO 1150-A. It is 16 3/8" long weighs about 10 lbs made of steel and has a 1 1/2" hex socket on one end. The other end has a 1 1/8" hex socket down in the bottom of that socket is a square hole about 7/8" across. It has a 3/4" hex in the side.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/gary350/100_1174.jpg

This is a photo of one of the trucks.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/gary350/210086809_e23fa8e1d4_z.jpg

wierdscience
04-06-2011, 08:24 PM
Budd wheel wrench,quite familiar with those,still make them-

http://www.handsontools.com/Ken-Tool-TR98-Double-Ended-Truck-Wrench-1-12-x-1316-Sq_p_12625.html#

The modern version with torqoe multiplier-

http://www.handsontools.com/Ken-Tool-TR44X-Budd-Wheel-Power-Wrench-Set_p_12635.html

Dr Stan
04-06-2011, 10:45 PM
Weirdscience has hit the nail on the head on the 2nd set of pics. The first one is still a bit of mystery for me. However, I wonder if it may be a wrench for the spindle bearing retaining nut on the front end of a truck?

HWooldridge
04-07-2011, 10:36 AM
Weirdscience has hit the nail on the head on the 2nd set of pics. The first one is still a bit of mystery for me. However, I wonder if it may be a wrench for the spindle bearing retaining nut on the front end of a truck?

I agree - front spindle nuts like on Willys and other vehicles (especially 4wd) often had little clearance between hub and nut so this tool may be task specific for that purpose.

techonehundred
04-07-2011, 11:06 AM
according to this website, it could be a tool for the rear axle for a Ford made in the 1940's.

http://www.shastamustangsupply.com/fordpartnumbers.htm

Willy
04-07-2011, 12:07 PM
Ditto to what "techonehundred" said.

Everything I was able to find said that the Charles Manzel Tool Company from Buffalo NY made most of there tools for the Ford Motor Company.
It is definitely a proprietary tool and this link seems to pin it down to probably as close as you will get.
If you want confirmation you may be able to get it from some of the sites that deal in classic Fords.

ckalley
04-07-2011, 12:51 PM
I have some info that might be of interest....

The guys that I work for own another company in Los Angeles. In the machine shop they have a hydraulic arbor press (only one I've ever seen) that was made by Manzel in Buffalo. It's the neatest press I've ever used - real controlable!

They were talking about getting another one, so I got the job of finding another one. No luck on Ebay. I manged to find out that Manzel is no longer in buisness, but the press is now made by Devin Mfg of Arcade, NY and you can buy them new thru McMaster. I got a PDF of the Devin manual from (I think) McMaster's web site.

Craig