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EVguru
07-25-2011, 04:54 PM
Think again!

Moto Gymkhana;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V9GVXydp3c&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

macona
07-25-2011, 05:03 PM
Wow... I wish I could ride like that. No way I could do that his bike is probably half the weight of mine

Weston Bye
07-25-2011, 05:09 PM
I watched a program about the tour deFrance yesterday. Those guys were falling over and slipping out riding straight and level. Granted, the pavement was moist. The guy in this video made those guys look like... uhhhh, I can't think of a term that would not offend someone with, um,... developmental disabilities.

macona
07-25-2011, 05:14 PM
Well, the DO tend to ride in short buses.

EVguru
07-25-2011, 05:17 PM
Wow... I wish I could ride like that. No way I could do that his bike is probably half the weight of mine

So how about a ZZR1400?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZdwUoyb90

or a ZXR1200R ridden by a girl?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9twUAi1Q4o0

There are no bike classes. Ride anything from 50cc on up.

Introduction parts 1,2,3;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFEh59GVMnQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lamyXirxQqo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sal4fZxfeX8

EVguru
07-25-2011, 05:20 PM
I watched a program about the tour deFrance yesterday. Those guys were falling over and slipping out riding straight and level. Granted, the pavement was moist. The guy in this video made those guys look like... uhhhh, I can't think of a term that would not offend someone with, um,... developmental disabilities.

Having built and ridden recumbent bicycles, I won't ride an upright any more; too uncomfortabe and too unstable! A full on race bicycle is incredibly twitchy and a real challenge to ride. Rucumbents were banned from competition by the UCI in 1933 as too much of an advantage.

Boostinjdm
07-25-2011, 05:33 PM
Anybody know what kind of bike was in the first vid? Special one off, or production bike?

Weston Bye
07-25-2011, 05:35 PM
THanks for the insight, Paul. I remember riding my garden-variety bike on wet pavement, and even on ice. Seemed more stable then the tour bikes appeared.

aboard_epsilon
07-25-2011, 05:37 PM
Having built and ridden recumbent bicycles, I won't ride an upright any more; too uncomfortabe and too unstable! A full on race bicycle is incredibly twitchy and a real challenge to ride. Rucumbents were banned from competition by the UCI in 1933 as too much of an advantage.

Royse Creasey ?

All the best.markj

Mcruff
07-25-2011, 05:45 PM
Impressive!

Here's one even better when you consider the bike is at least 300lbs heavier, full dresser and the guy is riding between rows of cones and doesn't knock them down.

http://www.youtube.com/user/vystrcil?v=pJxOsYh12yY&feature=pyv&ad=9710386916&kw=motorcycle

EVguru
07-25-2011, 06:09 PM
Anybody know what kind of bike was in the first vid? Special one off, or production bike?

Production. Look at the video title.

EVguru
07-25-2011, 06:20 PM
Royse Creasey ?

I think Royce is running his voyager on a set of Reliant pistons I sold him.

macona
07-25-2011, 07:01 PM
Impressive!

Here's one even better when you consider the bike is at least 300lbs heavier, full dresser and the guy is riding between rows of cones and doesn't knock them down.

http://www.youtube.com/user/vystrcil?v=pJxOsYh12yY&feature=pyv&ad=9710386916&kw=motorcycle

OK, I just suck then. :)

-Jerry

rode2rouen
07-25-2011, 07:17 PM
Anybody know what kind of bike was in the first vid? Special one off, or production bike?


Aprillia.............that particular model is not available in the US of A.


Rex

trumpy81
07-25-2011, 07:29 PM
Anybody know what kind of bike was in the first vid? Special one off, or production bike?

I believe it's an Aprilia Super Motad, no idea what year or model though.

trumpy81
07-25-2011, 07:38 PM
Impressive!

Here's one even better when you consider the bike is at least 300lbs heavier, full dresser and the guy is riding between rows of cones and doesn't knock them down.

http://www.youtube.com/user/vystrcil?v=pJxOsYh12yY&feature=pyv&ad=9710386916&kw=motorcycle

Now that IS impressive. I'd like to try that on my Triumph Rocket III! Anyone got a zillion witches hats laying around?? :D

The gymkhanas are difficult but in the scheme of the things not that hard especially on modern bikes with modern tyres. Try riding trials, indoor or outdoor, that is hard!!

Thruthefence
07-25-2011, 07:47 PM
When I get my new Panther shape-changer motorcycle, I'll be able to do all that, and more!

It will even repel Grizzly bears with negitive ion emissions.

darryl
07-25-2011, 07:58 PM
How 'bout that one ridden by a girl- she doesn't even twitch her feet. I'd have wanted to put my foot down about 2-3 hundred times- I'd probably have hit a cone or two as well- or maybe every one.

My sister was pretty good- she'd take a bike across a parking lot on the back wheel, make a 180, rip across the lot, turn back and pop it gently down on the front tire right in front of the owner. Then she'd give him the diagnosis- seems like it's missing a bit', or 'maybe you should try this other jet'- stuff like that. Guys would just stand there with their jaw hanging open. She'd keep a straight face unless one of the family called her on it- then she'd just grin and give us a one-liner. The bike mechanic we had would just shake his head.

wierdscience
07-25-2011, 08:02 PM
If they could do that on a Harley then I would be impressed.:)

darryl
07-25-2011, 08:28 PM
Agreed. I couldn't do that on my bike 'cause it's too twitchy. Even if I did have that good of balance and confidence. I'm nowhere near that good- and anyway I got my licence from a box of cornflakes. :) I barely passed weaving through cones without putting a foot down.

alcova
07-25-2011, 08:52 PM
Feet... no problem, remembering how to run the course without getting lost on what turn is next....forget it

Black_Moons
07-25-2011, 09:02 PM
<Joke>
Nah hes doing it all wrong! hes going right around all the left hand turns and left around the right hand turns. I know everyone else in the world thinks hes doing it right, And I can see how they could be confused, But im clearly the bigger expert here, im 99% self taught pro motrocylic rider!
</Joke>

flathead4
07-25-2011, 09:19 PM
The local city police department put on a syncronized bike riding exibition with about 8 of their full dress hogs during a Christmas parade several years ago. Not quite as good as the cop in video but very impressive none the less. I'd never seen HDs handled like that. They performed in the street downtown with the crowd lined up right to the curb. I happened to be standing right at the curb with my family as they roared by close enough you could feel the exhaust. Exhilerating to say the least but it would have been a disaster if one of them would have erred or blew a tire.

RobbieKnobbie
07-25-2011, 10:04 PM
Feet... no problem, remembering how to run the course without getting lost on what turn is next....forget it


HAHA!!!! exactly what I was thinking.

I used to have a little KLR250 (kawasaki enduro) that could have done that...not necessarily with me aboard... though I'd like to think that with a little practice... nah nevermind.

Your Old Dog
07-25-2011, 10:41 PM
No question these guys are really good riders. I'm thinking a lot more of us could ride that way if we had 12" of ground clearance and didn't have to worry about dragging kickstands, mufflers, floorboards or the kitchen sink :D 250s become a part of you like a bicycle does making these feats much easier then full dressers.

Having said all that, I wish I could ride like that without going through a bottle of Mercurochrome every time I went out!

Willy
07-25-2011, 11:34 PM
Impressive!

Here's one even better when you consider the bike is at least 300lbs heavier, full dresser and the guy is riding between rows of cones and doesn't knock them down.

http://www.youtube.com/user/vystrcil?v=pJxOsYh12yY&feature=pyv&ad=9710386916&kw=motorcycle

The guys, and girls too, on the Moto Gymkhana videos are are very good riders, I certainly won't take that away from them!

But I agree with Mcruffs' assessment of the cop riding a full dress Harley police bike as well. Very skillful handling of such a large bike not meant for finesse, with such surgical precision.

I will have to admit that my skills probably won't match those of the cop on his Harley, and mine is not even a decker.:o

But I'll also admit to being a pretty fair rider in this type of riding. Although the wheelbase, rake, and trail of my bike leaves me at a distinct disadvantage, I still spend some time alone in a parking lot every now and then in order to hone my skills.
The fact that I've ridden the same Harley for 35 years does help as It's kind of like riding the same horse for a long time, seems both parties know and respect each others limitations.

I also realize that after witnessing the consequences of a rider's inattention or lack of skill, that I not only owe it to myself to be as good as I can, I also owe it to those that I ride with so that my mistakes don't take them down. I've seen that all to many times.

Ride safe,
Willy

macona
07-26-2011, 12:45 AM
No question these guys are really good riders. I'm thinking a lot more of us could ride that way if we had 12" of ground clearance and didn't have to worry about dragging kickstands, mufflers, floorboards or the kitchen sink :D 250s become a part of you like a bicycle does making these feats much easier then full dressers.

Having said all that, I wish I could ride like that without going through a bottle of Mercurochrome every time I went out!

I would be dragging cylinder heads too... BMW...

John Stevenson
07-26-2011, 04:22 AM
I would be dragging cylinder heads too... BMW...

Do you want the exhaust stub threads repairing :) :D

EVguru
07-26-2011, 07:57 AM
I would be dragging cylinder heads too... BMW...

BMW = Guzzi in need of plastic surgery :D

They had plenty of ground clearance when they were side valves.

You can still buy a chinese copy of the Russian copy of the BMW R71
http://www.chang-jiang.com/bmw/newcj2.jpg

Dawai
07-26-2011, 10:41 AM
Avon Tires Stick, I chucked the Dunlop HD tires.. damp and drying roads.
300lb rider, 800lb Roadking. Slight mods. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU39wiGAihQ
The dunlops could be installed for $100 flat thou... cheap tires. I think AVONS are still a product of UK??

I personally like a real light bike around town, I had a 400cc Honda six speed I loved here for a while.. My (then) partner knew I liked it and tried to sell it at a helluva markup.. He ended up getting shafted out of it..

While riding it, When I'd wave at my "egotistical" (REAL BIKER) buddies.. they'd ignore me. I've lusted after the Buell Blast bikes.. Not sure yet.. when I can't handle the Roadking easily by duck walking it.. I'll go lighter..

PixMan
07-26-2011, 11:19 AM
<snip>

I've lusted after the Buell Blast bikes.. Not sure yet.. when I can't handle the Roadking easily by duck walking it.. I'll go lighter..

LOL...Buell B-last.

It may be heavy, but at least it's woefully underpowered. :D

Isn't Buell and all the bikes they made completely gone now that H-D shut it down? There's a great many other small bikes out there besides the B-last. I know it's just hard to buy anything but H-D once you're "in the club" for fear of being dissed by the others, but I kinda feel much the same way about buying Triumphs now. ;)

BTW, I can't ride nearly as well as those gymkhana riders or the cop, but I do OK. I take the Motorcycle Safety Foundation's "Experienced Rider Course" every few years to brush up on skills, and have done a number of track days. (Heck, I even rented the track at Loudon NH for myself and up to 70 of my closest frineds, twice.) As my friends who are MSF coaches say "If you can't handle it at 10mph, what makes you think you can handle it at 50?"

psomero
07-26-2011, 12:19 PM
Isn't Buell and all the bikes they made completely gone now that H-D shut it down? There's a great many other small bikes out there besides the B-last. I know it's just hard to buy anything but H-D once you're "in the club" for fear of being dissed by the others, but I kinda feel much the same way about buying Triumphs now. ;)



HD killed Buell off a few years ago. I happen to know a few fomer Buell guys from the industry and they have landed on their feet in other places.

Erik Buell is back with EBR (Erik Buell Racing), though. His noncompete clause of the deal with Harley lasted a little over a year, but is long over now...

S_J_H
07-26-2011, 02:05 PM
I started riding bikes when I was 13 years old, spending thousands of hours on crude motocross bikes from the late 1970's. My reflexes have definitely slowed down but I'm still pretty decent finessing a bike at slow speeds and tight turns.
I would really like to get myself a decent condition big single dual purpose one of these days.


When I get my new Panther shape-changer motorcycle, I'll be able to do all that, and more!

It will even repel Grizzly bears with negitive ion emissions.


lol,I had forgotten about that website.
Looks like the banana seat shape shifter is still in the planning stages looking for more investors. http://www.panthermotorcycle.com/Invest.html:rolleyes:

whooo hooo check out these current specs! http://www.panthermotorcycle.com/Documents_Design/Specs.pdf :rolleyes:

aboard_epsilon
07-26-2011, 02:44 PM
Did anyone see the latest American restoration show

piece of crap Italian moped labeled as a Harley Davidson

$5500 or something to restore ..and the boss reckoned they could get $8000 plus for it, when done.. :eek::confused::rolleyes:

they chromed the corroded spokes..you could still see the pitting

http://images04.olx.com/ui/5/64/13/1270392368_85776113_1-Pictures-of--9734-1965-Harley-Davidson-Moped-Motorcycle-Nice-Classic.jpg

Those things used to be hired out at every Spanish resort... hundreds of thousands of them ..common as dog poo ..not labeled HD, but the exact same things.

All the best.markj

John Stevenson
07-26-2011, 02:59 PM
Probably makes the same noise, just leaks less oil !

Black_Moons
07-26-2011, 03:09 PM
I bet that moped is quieter and burns less oil then a HD.

Its a 2 stroke right? :P

Thruthefence
07-26-2011, 04:16 PM
ie Mopeds,

Pilot friend of mine is a motorcyclist, and his Aunt calls him, & says " My nieghbor's husband died recently, and he had an Indian Motorcycle in the shed, meaning to fix it up, and the widow wants it GONE, and she said you could have it, if you'll come soon"

(Auntie is 300 miles away)

With visions of a '49 "Chief" dancing in his head, he gets a trailer, and hauls ass to Aunt Sue's house. Gets the shed open with trembling hands (MAYBE IT'S AN INLINE "FOUR"!!!!!)..............

and there is a dusty Chinese moped with "Indian" Decals on the tank. Research later showed these were badge engineered by some opportunist who bought the name "Indian" out of bankruptcy.

here's a photo:

http://tinyurl.com/3uebnlv

He brought it back anyway, but I bet that was a long ride home!

willmac
07-26-2011, 06:01 PM
It is surprising and a bit sad what the great motorcycle companies stooped to when trying to keep afloat. Vincent marketed clip on engines for bicycles at one stage (no, not a 998 cc clip on). They also sold NSU mopeds under their name. There was even a Vincent Indian and I think also a Velocette Indian. John S would remember I am sure.

jugs
07-27-2011, 02:44 AM
100s of years ago I had a couple ofTHESE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_68siUKH8Rs) , fantastic little bikes, 350cc flat twin, very maneuverable & faster around the back streets than the police 650 Bonneville's (don't ask how I know :D ) but it ran out of puff @ +65mph.

Wish I still had one


A mate of mine put a 650cc Bonneville into one of these
http://www.bbc.co.uk/essex/content/images/2006/07/31/bubble_car_470_470x352.jpg

(in place of the 200cc original engine) ..... it went rather well :D

john
:)

The Artful Bodger
07-27-2011, 02:52 AM
100s of years ago I had a couple ofTHESE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_68siUKH8Rs) , fantastic little bikes, 350cc flat twin, very maneuverable & faster around the back streets than the police 650 Bonneville's (don't ask how I know :D ) but it ran out of puff @ +65mph.

Wish I still had one



John, I have an 80+, all orginal numbers etc and totally complete, do you want to talk business?:)

John Stevenson
07-27-2011, 04:15 AM
It is surprising and a bit sad what the great motorcycle companies stooped to when trying to keep afloat. Vincent marketed clip on engines for bicycles at one stage (no, not a 998 cc clip on). They also sold NSU mopeds under their name. There was even a Vincent Indian and I think also a Velocette Indian. John S would remember I am sure.

Can't recall a Velocette Indian but I'm not an expert on the marque,
They did a Viceroy scooter later on when they were in trouble that went down like a lead brick.

Just post war many makers came out with clip ons because petrol was rationed and people still had to get to work. They were all compromise designs as regards features, reliability and price.

Myfords, the lathe people looked into this and build some prototypes but theirs were to complex and expensive to ever get off the ground so it was shelved, one still survives.

The Artful Bodger
07-27-2011, 05:49 AM
................................................de leted by me....................(dont know what I was talking about!)

aboard_epsilon
07-27-2011, 07:01 AM
100s of years ago I had a couple ofTHESE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_68siUKH8Rs) , fantastic little bikes, 350cc flat twin, very maneuverable & faster around the back streets than the police 650 Bonneville's (don't ask how I know :D ) but it ran out of puff @ +65mph.

Wish I still had one


A mate of mine put a 650cc Bonneville into one of these
http://www.bbc.co.uk/essex/content/images/2006/07/31/bubble_car_470_470x352.jpg

(in place of the 200cc original engine) ..... it went rather well

john
:)
You're forgetting these

600cc water cooled engine

top speed of 85mph

edit........urban myth ..i just phoned someone up

top speed more like 55....and air cooled engine

that site is wrong about them being illegal to drive on road

http://www.virtualgaz.com/ic7.jpg

http://www.virtualgaz.com/invacarpage.htm

ALL THE BEST.MARKJ

willmac
07-27-2011, 07:18 AM
Velocette Indian-

http://www.cycletownusa.com/velo.jpg

Standard Velocette 500 engine and gearbox, but a light weight frame. (almost anything would be lighter than the original frame).

Your Old Dog
07-27-2011, 12:52 PM
Probably makes the same noise, just leaks less oil !

As you would say..."Rubbish".

I have two Harleys now and no oil leaks, just the strong smell of urine in the neighborhood when I fire them up and the ensuing rumble frightens the farmers.

Black_Moons
07-27-2011, 12:54 PM
As you would say..."Rubbish".

I have two Harleys now and no oil leaks, just the strong smell of urine in the neighborhood when I fire them up and the ensuing rumble frightens the farmers.

Nah, that's just the smell of urine from your bike. The farmers piss on it when your not around for souring the milk of thier cows with your excessively loud, unneeded, ILLEGAL in many areas (if the cops would friggen DO something) 'exhaust'.

(You did know that your exhaust loudness can cause massive damage to livestock production right? Yet you still blip the throttle at every chance like most harley riders? Intresting)

Protip: Mufflers. they have been around for a few 100 years now. Work well, Cause less hearing loss, And tend to make less people hate you. And you might just hear that oncomming train, or semi truck honking at you before it runs you over.

PS: How do you tell if a harley is out of oil?
It stops leaking! :rolleyes:

PPS: I can take the muffler off my 50cc moped and sound just as loud as a harley. Louder even. Its just I don't, because thats retarded and makes people hate you, And your allready at a big enough risk of being runover on a motorbike without people WANTING to run you over.

Your Old Dog
07-27-2011, 12:55 PM
Probably makes the same noise, just leaks less oil !

As you would say..."Rubbish".

I have two Harleys now and no oil leaks, just the strong smell of urine in the neighborhood when I fire them up and the ensuing rumble frightens the farmers.

I have a 2007 Street Bob and a 2010 Electra Glide Ultra full dressor. I do pour a little oil on the floor around them just to make them feel at home and accepted.

Black_Moons
07-27-2011, 01:14 PM
PPPS: Anyone who wants to come by my house and show me a bike with an exhaust that purrs like a kitten at idle and roars like a tiger at 7000rpm... Gets a free beer! (Idealy to be enjoyed after you get home from the ride, unless you wanna stay a few hours!)

THATS the kinda bike I like to hear. Not a rice rocket. Not a harley. Just a nice smooth purr, producing as much power as is insanely possable with as little noise as can be. (Of course, WOT can be noisy, as long as you don't use it for anything more then hiway mergeing)

kendall
07-27-2011, 02:24 PM
PPPS: Anyone who wants to come by my house and show me a bike with an exhaust that purrs like a kitten at idle and roars like a tiger at 7000rpm... Gets a free beer! (Idealy to be enjoyed after you get home from the ride, unless you wanna stay a few hours!)

THATS the kinda bike I like to hear. Not a rice rocket. Not a harley. Just a nice smooth purr, producing as much power as is insanely possable with as little noise as can be. (Of course, WOT can be noisy, as long as you don't use it for anything more then hiway mergeing)

Tune the exhaust and you can get pretty close to that.
My 70 mach ran open headers, until you broke 2300 rpm you'd swear it had a full exhaust on it. After that she'd roar. Loved playing with the cops in that car, looked bone stock on the outside, punch her down and make a lot of noise and then come rolling in all quiet and sedate, most often the cops would watch me roll by and keep looking behind me for the noisy guy.

Had my old SOHC 750 tuned the same way, only issue was that the loudest point was between 50 and 60mph, which lead to either poking along or speeding tickets....

I prefer a quiet bike, I hate the ones you can hear for ten minutes before seeing it. But I did end up drilling the mufflers on my 77 because it was too dang quiet. I would rather hear the exhaust purr than listening to the cams....

And my Sporty does mark it's spot.

Black_Moons
07-27-2011, 02:42 PM
I prefer a quiet bike, I hate the ones you can hear for ten minutes before seeing it. But I did end up drilling the mufflers on my 77 because it was too dang quiet. I would rather hear the exhaust purr than listening to the cams....

And my Sporty does mark it's spot.

A++! And yea, all the other noises of the engine are not so nice, On my moped, at WOT you hear the intake noise over the exhaust. its weird. I have considered making an intake muffler but can't find anywhere to mount it nicely. Its OK to make the exhaust a little louder if its dead quiet, Just not if its allready loud.

PS: you can sometimes find places to add dampening material to quiet the engine mechanical noises. Some people jam small rubber blocks beween the air cooling fins to quiet em down. I put some of that stupidly expensive dynamat under my clutch cover to quiet the gear noise (helped a little...)

flathead4
07-27-2011, 03:58 PM
Well at least I haven't heard that silly argument that they need loud exhaust so the cars can hear them coming. Those riders must never drive cars. At 35 MPH and the windows up, radio on, etc., I can't hear the most obnoxious of the lot until it's on top of me. True, I can hear a Harley a half mile or more away from my front porch but I don't think any bike rider is in danger from me then. I like to hear a good rumble as much as the next, but we all know those louds pipes are nothing more than "look at me." I've owned loud bikes and loud cars but these days I prefer stealth mode.:)

Tom