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aboard_epsilon
08-07-2011, 06:11 PM
seems to be missing its tailstock and cover off the gears .

and seems to have odd looking gears

from the pics ..can anyone id it

please dont track it down ..as this may be a bargain

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/aboard_epsilon/lathesb.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/aboard_epsilon/sb2-1.jpg

all the best.markj

Dr Stan
08-07-2011, 06:42 PM
Looks like my 9" model A. You should be able to find replacements for the missing guard & tail stock on FleaBay.

You may want to post the pic on the SB user's group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/southbendlathe/

You can also get a good idea of the age of the machine with this little "trick" http://www.lathes.co.uk/southbend/page19.html

aboard_epsilon
08-07-2011, 06:53 PM
There a whole lot going on with it

the belt drive from the motor inst right

the gears .shafts sticking out ..some look too big

funny gearbox with one lever

winding handle attached to spindle permanently ..think of that thing wizzing around

ive looked at lathes .co .uk ..

not much help

still waiting on an answer from the guy on the missing parts

yes tailstocks are plentiful on USA eBay ..but not in UK

dont fancy the shipping charges from USA .

all the best.markj

RussZHC
08-07-2011, 07:05 PM
By no means an "expert" but looks like parts from various models made to work...have never seen a gear that wide, the single tumbler gear box looks more like from a fairly early 13" or larger model, the spindle pulley looks to be "V" belt groove (which existed of course but later than some of the other parts, I think...)...like I said, no expert here but it just looks a bit cobbled, which is not to say it doesn't work or makes it of "lesser" value...the mix and match nature could be explained by parts available outside of US

the box looks more like the one here, about half way down:
http://www.lathes.co.uk/southbend/page6.html

Evan
08-07-2011, 07:14 PM
That's certainly not a model A and it doesn't look like a South Bend either. It does look like it is cobbled up from various parts.

aboard_epsilon
08-07-2011, 07:15 PM
frankenlathe by the looks of things.

all the best.markj

Bill Pace
08-07-2011, 07:49 PM
I can say with a good bit of certainty that the gear train and gear box are an older SB single tumbler, and using the guys hand in guestimating, its from a 10L. For the last couple months I have been up close and personal with my 10L and its gears -- Mine is a 1944 vintage.

But, as others have said on the rest of it ... ???

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b301/pace1980/South%20Bend%20Heavy%2010/Gearshaftsreplacesnag-it.jpg

SGW
08-07-2011, 07:56 PM
The end of the leadscrew is sticking out beyond the end of its right-hand support bearing below the tailstock. That is certainly not original. The leadscrew probably came along with the QC gearbox.

gwilson
08-07-2011, 08:14 PM
The QC gearbox is the old 1930's/40's type with the handle on top.

The wide gear accommodates the old S.B. "in" and "out" positions. That's about all I can say about it,not being a S.B. historian. The QC gearbox does look pretty big for that lathe.

aboard_epsilon
08-07-2011, 08:40 PM
well, I'm not going for it ..
but i don't want to ruin it for anyone else

will post a link to it, when its sold .

all the best.markj

aboard_epsilon
08-08-2011, 02:02 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320738170932?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80% 2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_npmv%3D3%26_trksid%3Dm57 0.l2736%26_nkw%3D320738170932%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

I didnt bid on it



all the best.mark

garyphansen
08-08-2011, 04:44 PM
I think it may be what is commonly called a "Heavy 9". It was a 9" lathe that came out before the 10L or Heavy 10. The (Heavy 9) had a 2TPI setting on the quick change gear box. Anyone that buy it would be well advised not to use any setting less than 4TPI. Using a lower TPI setting will likely break gears. That is why South Bend didn't have lower TPI settings than 4TPI on later lathes. Gary P. Hansen

Evan
08-08-2011, 05:37 PM
There is something very strange about the bedways. It appears to have been fitted with extra pieces to accommodate a different carriage than intended. The cross slide is too square at the front as the South Bends have rounded corners. The cross almost appears to be made up from pieces.

I don't think that headstock belongs on that bed either.

topct
08-08-2011, 06:00 PM
Hand cranked, a bonus. :D

aboard_epsilon
08-08-2011, 06:22 PM
possibly the only thing south-bend about it is the ancient gearbox with the south bend works plack on it .

all the best.markj

JCHannum
08-08-2011, 08:47 PM
It is possibly a Southbend-Boxford-frankenlathe. A lot looks like SB, but the headstock is a bit different. The extra pieces over the ways appear to be way covers of some sort. If nothing else, it could be a money maker as a parts machine at the selling price.

kitno455
08-09-2011, 10:40 AM
It's just older than most of you guys are used to looking at. It's a 1930's 11", 9" toolroom, or a very early (1939/1940) 10R, with horizontal motor drive. These machines are all pretty similar, hard to tell them apart from these poor photos.

It's basically original, except the cross-slide, cross-feed dial/handle (and probably screw and compound) are not SB. The other mods (leadscrew extension, spindle handle, v-belt pulley, way guards) are all easily fixed. If they ways and screws are good, somebody got a deal.

First post from a long time lurker.

allan