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RussZHC
08-26-2011, 01:42 AM
Just a heads up to those considering purchases, esp larger or more $$$ ones.
I spend a lot of time doing web searches and have run across any number of specific manufacturers, those who post price lists anyway, that are planning price increases and some major as of
September 1/11.

Not the general suppliers but specific brands/brand names so one can not help but think it will be passed on quickly by MSC, Enco, McM Carr etc., I AM NOT SAYING THESE ONLINE SELLERS ARE GOING TO HAVE A PRICE INCREASE, just that quite of few of their suppliers are (those who bother to have price lists showing)...

lazlo
08-26-2011, 01:48 AM
A had my eye on an American-made gun safe (Amsec), and their prices have jumped $200 in the last two months :(

Boostinjdm
08-26-2011, 02:25 AM
I'll believe it when I see it. Seems like raising prices in a weak economy would be business suicide. Surely somebody has thought of that.:confused:

Evan
08-26-2011, 03:39 AM
I'll believe it when I see it. Seems like raising prices in a weak economy would be business suicide. Surely somebody has thought of that.

There is no choice. Even if something is "Made in America" it will still be affected by the slide in the value of the dollar.

http://ixian.ca/pics9/usd.jpg

This is what happens when you try to print your way out of debt.

Black_Moons
08-26-2011, 03:42 AM
There is no choice. Even if something is "Made in America" it will still be affected by the slide in the value of the dollar.

This is what happens when you try to print your way out of debt.

I did'nt know the USA was enacting a plan to get out of debt!

I thought they where just gonna raise the credit limit.. Again. And Again... And Again. I mean, how many times have they raised the "LIMIT" so far?

Arcane
08-26-2011, 04:47 AM
I mean, how many times have they raised the "LIMIT" so far?
A quick Google and "Since March 1962, the debt ceiling has been raised 74 times, according to the Congressional Research Service. Ten of those times have occurred since 2001."

Black_Moons
08-26-2011, 05:18 AM
A quick Google and "Since March 1962, the debt ceiling has been raised 74 times, according to the Congressional Research Service. Ten of those times have occurred since 2001."

Ah. So the plan was to get rid of debt by making the ratio of total debt to credit limit smaller. 'We lowered the debt (ratio) by 20% this year!'

Hows that been working out?

jugs
08-26-2011, 05:32 AM
There is no choice. Even if something is "Made in America" it will still be affected by the slide in the value of the dollar.

This is what happens when you try to print your way out of debt.

True & printing money also put us in debt in the first place (perhaps we should blame the printers not the bankers :D ).

One of the fundamental flaws in capitalism is- you must have constant growth to sustain the system or it fails.

We all allowed ourselves to be taken down the road of greed, @ the hight of the boom a 15% annual growth was considered by many as failure, :eek: but even a 5% growth in the long term isn't workable.

We need to change our way of thinking & our fiscal policys............. but I wont hold my breath :(

Rustybolt
08-26-2011, 08:41 AM
Ah! Keynsian economics taken to its logical conclusion.

Your Old Dog
08-26-2011, 09:01 AM
The fix? Term limits. Yes, even the baby with the bath water. This is what happens when you solicit people to vote at the Workers Compensation line and other such places. All may be entitled to vote but not all are qualified mentally.

PixMan
08-26-2011, 09:14 AM
The fix? Term limits. Yes, even the baby with the bath water. This is what happens when you solicit people to vote at the Workers Compensation line and other such places. All may be entitled to vote but not all are qualified mentally.

We already have term limits on every office.

We call it "elections". If you have a problem with the way people are voting, you have every right and every opportunity to change it yourself by getting out there to support the candidates of your choice. If you are convinced that only morons are voting, then you simply must get out there and find the Mensa members who are forgetting to vote, and convince them otherwise.

The way it works is that if enough people agree with you, change is made. If not, then majority rules. And that is the way it is supposed to be. Very effective term limits.

vpt
08-26-2011, 09:33 AM
I don't understand how leaders like the ones we have now get voted in a second time? Our mayor has businesses downtown, guess where all the taxes have been going for the last 3 years... Town is falling apart and roads are riddled with potholes but guess what, we have this pretty new water fountain downtown. Plus the water fountain was supposed to be recycled water but some stipulation that someone over looked while building the fountain made it where the fountain has to use fresh water all the time and the water drains strait into the river...

yup, our mayor got voted in a second time...

PixMan
08-26-2011, 09:57 AM
I go out and vote in every election. About 1/2 the times I vote, the candidate of my choice wins, the other half, not. If I get really uncertain about the potential outcome, I'll go help my candidate's campaign in some way. If I am not happy with any of the choices, I have the option of running for office myself. I'm pretty sure that's how it's always supposed to work, and it does.

In the case of your mayor, it's the same thing. Apparently not enough people saw things the same way as you. Perhaps the mayor did a better job of getting word out regarding his or her "message". Or, maybe that mayor just had some benefactors that went and paid all the voters. ;) Did the mayor do anything else besides install a fountain? Was there any balance to the person's "good vs. evil" actions?

We have "selectmen" in my town. I am definitely in the minority here with my support for 2 of the 5. But rather than just complain about the job that the majority of the board is doing, I show up at meetings to respectfully voice my opposition, write letters to the Board Of Selectmen, and voice my support for two of five votes on various matters. I don't even agree with some of the actions of those two, but at least I have a voice and exercise it where it counts.

Democracy is always a work in progress. It takes work, and there are setbacks in any project.

jugs
08-26-2011, 10:25 AM
We already have term limits on every office.

We call it "elections". If you have a problem with the way people are voting, you have every right and every opportunity to change it yourself by getting out there to support the candidates of your choice. If you are convinced that only morons are voting, then you simply must get out there and find the Mensa members who are forgetting to vote, and convince them otherwise.

The way it works is that if enough people agree with you, change is made. If not, then majority rules. And that is the way it is supposed to be. Very effective term limits.


Thats a red herring

Politics & economics have very little in common (except when the politicians get their hands in the till), - you didn't get to vote for the policy's of Leemans. :(

International banking & multi nationals run the show, politicians are allowed to tinker @ the edges, so we can get cross & shouty @ the govenment & we miss whats realy going on.:eek: it's all smoke & mirrors.

To find the source of coruption.............follow the money

You, me, all of us, we all work for the bank :mad:

Rustybolt
08-26-2011, 10:26 AM
We are witnessing the inherent flaw with democracies. The electorate have been voting themselves a larger and larger share of the productive peoples wealth.
It cannot be sustained.

lazlo
08-26-2011, 10:31 AM
Politics & economics have very little in common (except when the politicians get their hands in the till), - you didn't get to vote for the policy's of Lehmans. :(

International banking & multi nationals run the show, politicians are allowed to tinker @ the edges, so we can get cross & shouty @ the govenment & we miss whats realy going on.:eek: it's all smoke & mirrors.

You, me, all of us, we all work for the bank :mad:

Yep, that's the way the world has become - we're an oligarchy :(

The CEO of Goldman-Sachs filed for a concealed handgun permit last week. You know how rare those are in New York City? The Robber Barons are feeling the pressure...

moe1942
08-26-2011, 10:48 AM
My favorite beverage just went up $2 a case...

vpt
08-26-2011, 10:50 AM
I go out and vote in every election. About 1/2 the times I vote, the candidate of my choice wins, the other half, not. If I get really uncertain about the potential outcome, I'll go help my candidate's campaign in some way. If I am not happy with any of the choices, I have the option of running for office myself. I'm pretty sure that's how it's always supposed to work, and it does.

In the case of your mayor, it's the same thing. Apparently not enough people saw things the same way as you. Perhaps the mayor did a better job of getting word out regarding his or her "message". Or, maybe that mayor just had some benefactors that went and paid all the voters. ;) Did the mayor do anything else besides install a fountain? Was there any balance to the person's "good vs. evil" actions?


Besides the fountain the entire downtown roadway was tore up and replaced, mind you the road downtown was in fine condition. New LED lighting downtown, nice stainless poles all over, lots of brickwork all over that is already getting rough and sagging (its only been a few weeks since downtown was reopened) yet the rest of the town is in ruins pretty much.

Oh yeah I forgot about the new "energy efficient" buses we got! But I'll tell you what, in a town of 22,000 people, no one rides a bus. So there they are, 5 buses every day riding around wasting fuel and polluting just so our town can get some government grant every year because we have a transit system... I know no one rides the buses because they stop at the store across the street from me all day long every day and you can see no one on the bus, no one get on the bus and no one ever getting off the buses.

And now I see someone has a brilliant idea to put bicycle signs at every intersection in town (4 signs each) to show which way is downtown and which way is the hospital (only two big things in town).

A couple years ago some people were trying to garden in a abandoned lot near downtown. The lot has been abandoned for years and years and still is. The Mayor had the people kicked out and the small square gardens destroyed.

Later he was trying to get low income housing put in this abandoned lot. Somehow people found out and voted the motion down. The Mayor publicly announced that "he could see if he wants to get something done he can't tell the public about it"....

loose nut
08-26-2011, 11:03 AM
Yep, that's the way the world has become - we're an oligarchy :(

The CEO of Goldman-Sachs filed for a concealed handgun permit last week. You know how rare those are in New York City? The Robber Barons are feeling the pressure...

The Bank of America recently put out a statement to their clientele that the only thing that the rich are afraid of is a revolt, political or violent. Maybe they are finally seeing the writing that has been on the wall for a long time.

dp
08-26-2011, 11:22 AM
I mean, how many times have they raised the "LIMIT" so far?

Every time.

lazlo
08-26-2011, 11:26 AM
Later he was trying to get low income housing put in this abandoned lot. Somehow people found out and voted the motion down. The Mayor publicly announced that "he could see if he wants to get something done he can't tell the public about it"....

Translate: my brother and I bought all the adjoining lots, and were planning to make huge money when we put housing there, and you screwed it up :mad:

That's why guys like McCain are worth $35 million, 30 years of Congressional service, straight out of the Navy.

President Obama is now worth $10.5 million. 2 years ago he was middle-class, and his wife was a nameless administrator at a Chicago hospital. The moment Barack got the Democratic nomination, she was promoted to executive vice president of the hospital.

johnhurd
08-26-2011, 11:27 AM
We already have term limits on every office.

We call it "elections". If you have a problem with the way people are voting, you have every right and every opportunity to change it yourself by getting out there to support the candidates of your choice.

And you believe that?????? Better change your coolant.........

lazlo
08-26-2011, 11:28 AM
The Bank of America recently put out a statement to their clientele that the only thing that the rich are afraid of is a revolt, political or violent. Maybe they are finally seeing the writing that has been on the wall for a long time.

Which is ironic, since Bank of American is on bankruptcy watch. They bought CountryWide during the peak of the sub-prime/credit default swap scam. Dumbasses.

Warren Buffet just kicked in $5 billion yesterday to save them...

Abner
08-26-2011, 11:30 AM
I'm not so sure. It will depend on what people have the ability to pay. Increasing prices in a down economy, I think that will be very hard to do.

jep24601
08-26-2011, 11:56 AM
Ah! Keynsian economics taken to its logical conclusion.
It was Karl Marx who predicted the tendency of capitalist systems to trend toward inevitable crisises. Capitalist economists like Keynes have just sought ways to delay the inevitable (not without some success todate).

lazlo
08-26-2011, 12:07 PM
As Hank Paulson famously quipped during the bailout debacle:


"The investment banks were devout disciples of capitalism until they overextended themselves, and then suddenly they were begging us [the US Treasury] for Socialism [bailouts]"

Rustybolt
08-26-2011, 12:27 PM
Translate: my brother and I bought all the adjoining lots, and were planning to make huge money when we put housing there, and you screwed it up :mad:

That's why guys like McCain are worth $35 million, 30 years of Congressional service, straight out of the Navy.

President Obama is now worth $10.5 million. 2 years ago he was middle-class, and his wife was a nameless administrator at a Chicago hospital. The moment Barack got the Democratic nomination, she was promoted to executive vice president of the hospital.


Who warned you that if you elected a Chicago street politician, Washington would wind up being run like Chicago?
Oh yeah.
Me.



Illinois raises taxes and a Forging company with 250 employees leave for Indiana.

Wonder how many other people the wage of those 250 people supported?

bob ward
08-26-2011, 12:31 PM
We are witnessing the inherent flaw with democracies. The electorate have been voting themselves a larger and larger share of the productive peoples wealth.
It cannot be sustained.

This is one of my beefs with democracy, the politicians bribe the non-productive with money raised from the productive. The non-productive tail is more and more wagging the democratic dog.

What to do about it? I reckon that in general if you don't pay tax you don't get a vote. No representation without taxation!

jugs
08-26-2011, 12:34 PM
Illinois raises taxes and a Forging company with 250 employees leave for Indiana.

Wonder how many other people the wage of those 250 people supported?

At least they didn't go to India or China

lazlo
08-26-2011, 12:39 PM
Translate: my brother and I bought all the adjoining lots, and were planning to make huge money when we put housing there, and you screwed it up

Who warned you that if you elected a Chicago street politician, Washington would wind up being run like Chicago?
Oh yeah.
Me.


Andy's in Wisconsin. All politicians are corrupt, that's why most of them are lawyers :p Seriously, "normal" people with a functioning moral compasses don't choose politics as a career.
That kid in highschool who really wanted to be the Hall Monitor does.


President Obama is now worth $10.5 million. 2 years ago he was middle-class, and his wife was a nameless administrator at a Chicago hospital. The moment Barack got the Democratic nomination, she was promoted to executive vice president of the hospital.

Wait, McCain has 3 times Obama's net worth, and he's never had a job other than a Naval officer -- does that mean McCain is three times as corrupt? :D

macona
08-26-2011, 01:01 PM
Andy's in Wisconsin. All politicians are corrupt, that's why most of them are lawyers :p Seriously, "normal" people with a functioning moral compasses don't choose politics as a career.
That kid in highschool who really wanted to be the Hall Monitor does.



Wait, McCain has 3 times Obama's net worth, and he's never had a job other than a Naval officer -- does that mean McCain is three times as corrupt? :D


Nope, took him over 30 years to get that high, figure 1 mil a year. Obama is already at 1/3 of what McCain is in 3 years, so he's at 3 mil a year. So Obama is 3x worse! ;)


A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship.

- Alexander Fraser Tyler,'The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic'.

lazlo
08-26-2011, 01:05 PM
Nope, took him over 30 years to get that high, figure 1 mil a year. Obama is already at 1/3 of what McCain is in 3 years, so he's at 3 mil a year. So Obama is 3x worse! ;)

LOL! We need to have a corruption index -- accumulation of wealth over time, above and beyond their "natural" salary :D

Evan
08-26-2011, 01:53 PM
Warren Buffet just kicked in $5 billion yesterday to save them...

Which increased by 1.4 billion overnight since he succeeded in manipulating the market.

lazlo
08-26-2011, 02:10 PM
Which increased by 1.4 billion overnight since he succeeded in manipulating the market.

Yes, but when you're worth $62 billion, everything you invest in is manipulated.

A lot of folks are saying that even Warren's $5 billion isn't going to save BoA from bankruptcy, but the fact that Warren invested in it would seem to imply that he thinks it can be saved.
But Warren insisted on preferred stock for his $5 billion, so he'd be first-up at the bankruptcy proceedings...

jugs
08-26-2011, 03:52 PM
Yes, but when you're worth $62 billion, everything you invest in is manipulated.
quote]

& who created this $62 billion :confused:


[quote]Evan
Warren Buffet just kicked in $5 billion yesterday to save them...
Which increased by 1.4 billion overnight since he succeeded in manipulating the market.

It's like the emperor's new cloths, it's not real. The system is flawed as you cannot make something from nothing !!! What the bankers have done is sell us a perpetual motion money machine, & most of us believed them, even now people still believe that manipulating the market will solve all the problems & we can go on as we did before :rolleyes:

lazlo
08-26-2011, 04:00 PM
Yes, but when you're worth $62 billion, everything you invest in is manipulated.

& who created this $62 billion :confused:

I have a great deal of respect for Warren. He's one of the very few billionaires who got his money the old fashioned way -- he didn't inherit it, embezzle it, or stumble into it.
What I meant was that when you're a financial colossus like Warren, anything you invest in will be affected.

The reason BoA stock popped is because investors were assuming it was going to go bankrupt, but now that Warren's investing in it...

I have my doubts though -- I think, because of the preferred stock arrangement, that he might be maneuvering to have first pass at BoA's assets at a bankruptcy proceeding.

Rustybolt
08-26-2011, 05:33 PM
Illinois laz. Where even the republicans are democrats.
There are more United States Attorneys in the city of Chicago than allother cities in the US, combined. Corruption is an industry here.

All politicians are corrupt,

And this is suprising-why?

Dawai
08-26-2011, 06:19 PM
Because I didn't click, "BUY IT NOW" I have a parts list here on the desk, been looking between Oreilly auto, Autozone, and Advance for parts..

Most went up $5-10 since yesterday. Some parts like wheel cylinders one is $18 today, was $12 yesterday, the left is 12, the right is now 18...

I should have bought it now. Might not sound like much, except this job is close anyways. AND this bites me in the butt.

Dawai
08-26-2011, 06:22 PM
Laz... even Warren is having a tough time, The company my wife works for, he purchased.. went from 33,000 employees to 22,500, 17 plants closed since 2008..

His word to them, to survive we got to get "LEAN".

loose nut
08-26-2011, 07:19 PM
And after they "can" everybody that they are able to, who is going to be left to buy their products. Nobody.

Oldbrock
08-26-2011, 11:40 PM
I have always thought that the American style of politics was deeply flawed and now I know it is. Too many lawyers spending someone else's money over too much time to try to get on the gravy train. AND. 99.8% of the lawyers give the rest a bad image. Let a lawyer in your life and expect to run out of money. Let a bunch of them run your country---------------------:eek:
Peter

mike4
08-27-2011, 12:11 AM
I go out and vote in every election. About 1/2 the times I vote, the candidate of my choice wins, the other half, not. If I get really uncertain about the potential outcome, I'll go help my candidate's campaign in some way. If I am not happy with any of the choices, I have the option of running for office myself. I'm pretty sure that's how it's always supposed to work, and it does.

In the case of your mayor, it's the same thing. Apparently not enough people saw things the same way as you. Perhaps the mayor did a better job of getting word out regarding his or her "message". Or, maybe that mayor just had some benefactors that went and paid all the voters. ;) Did the mayor do anything else besides install a fountain? Was there any balance to the person's "good vs. evil" actions?

We have "selectmen" in my town. I am definitely in the minority here with my support for 2 of the 5. But rather than just complain about the job that the majority of the board is doing, I show up at meetings to respectfully voice my opposition, write letters to the Board Of Selectmen, and voice my support for two of five votes on various matters. I don't even agree with some of the actions of those two, but at least I have a voice and exercise it where it counts.

Democracy is always a work in progress. It takes work, and there are setbacks in any project.
Lateley all "work " has gone way over budget , all around the world.
Time for change !
Michael