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smokerron
01-29-2004, 01:41 AM
I work in a shop that does one off items for a prime contractor or two.
I cant discus particulars only general info.
We have absolutly the finest equipment availible.
I have 30yrs experience in using manual machines. My job discription is master machinist. I feel that Iam still learning however.
I have looked at other web sites, supposedly for professional machinist and discovered that they are overun by inexperienced idiots and low life machine dealer that pig out every post with what they read out of books.
What brought me to this site was it being bad mouthed by this group and the link provided by them.
What I found here is beyond the understanding of these halfwits, a discussion about actualy using machines. keep it up and keep it going!

Joel
01-29-2004, 02:23 AM
Hello and welcome!
A board bad mouthing another board seems odd to me, but I don't surf other sites regularly.

Evan
01-29-2004, 02:41 AM
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pgmrdan
01-29-2004, 08:24 AM
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bspooh
01-29-2004, 08:41 AM
I just defended this website on another website....They say that we are "clanish"..

I interpret that as meaning that we are a close knit group...I say YES..we are a close group...But all machinists should stick together, because we are infact a dying breed..

brent

Rustybolt
01-29-2004, 08:58 AM
Badmouthed!!!(In my best Moe voice) Why I oughta...........

Welcome, Smokerron.

bernie
01-29-2004, 09:04 AM
smokerron:
Welcome to the "clanish" group. I don't frequent any other machining BBS. I come to this one because it is hosted by Village Press. They produce some very good magazines that I enjoy reading. There is a great deal of very knowlendgable people here and they are all very willing to help.

lynnl
01-29-2004, 09:31 AM
Welcome. I think you'll find this group to be some of the nicest, most helpful people you'll ever meet. We range from the most novice (like myself) to the extremely talented. Your expertise will be appreciated.

SGW
01-29-2004, 09:36 AM
After reading Model Engineer, Strictly I.C., HSM, etc. for years, I continue to be AMAZED by what some alleged "amateurs" accomplish in home shops. I've been impressed by the collective wisdom on this site, too.

And we're all still learning. That's one of the great things about this hobby (or profession).

shaque
01-29-2004, 10:24 AM
WELCOME TO THE "CLAN",
You can bet your bippy that we got the best board going. A master machinist eh? Well I hope we will have some input from you in the future. We can use all the help we can get. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
Jim

John Stevenson
01-29-2004, 10:40 AM
Welcome Smokerron.
You will find all sorts of people on this board, a reflection of life but without exception they are all very nice people and helpfull.

The fact that some have fewer skills does nothing to reflect on a persons overall expertise. There are often questions asked that border onto the subject of metalworking and someone will limited skill at metalworking can step in and shine but it helps all of us.

I used to read a couple of other groups but dropped out of those as I got the impression I didn't 'fit'

Ragarse, Alistair and myself are only tolerated on this board as the poor cousin's from over the pond and we have been adopted as the 'token' poor relations.

John S.

Paul Gauthier
01-29-2004, 11:19 AM
Glad you found us before you gave up, welcome.

------------------
Paul G.

smokerron
01-29-2004, 12:10 PM
Thanks for the incredible welcome, Iam glad that the others provided a link to this board.
I love to work the machines and bench work also. Iam not a know it all, I learn new tricks every day. I have no secretes, those that do only hide what they dont know.
There are skilled machinist around here, that I will tell about this site.
Thank You so much!!!

Milacron of PM
01-29-2004, 12:28 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I just defended this website on another website....They say that we are "clanish"..</font>

"they" don't say anything of the sort, ~I~ said it.

Alistair Hosie
01-29-2004, 12:51 PM
Ragarse, Alistair and myself are only tolerated on this board as the poor cousin's from over the pond and we have been adopted as the 'token' poor relations.

John S.

Poor? poor? ragarse is not poor he's got nearly twenty seven pounds sixteen shillings in his post office account and all in gold. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif but I am very poor your right there John all donations or food parcels widely and greatfully accepted. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

smokerron
01-29-2004, 12:57 PM
Well DThomas You most always speak before you think. Interesting on how you attempt to dominate the internet.
I will watch and see if you get your but kissed here as well.

Neil
01-29-2004, 01:18 PM
Welcome aboard!

Neil

Jerry B
01-29-2004, 01:42 PM
smokerron,

Quote: "I feel that Iam still learning however." Well, you could learn a few things about human relations that is for sure.

Quote: "My job discription is master machinist." You seemed to have mastered a unique way of making friends and influencing people: Bad mouthing folks from another boards. I noticed you didn't go to these "other sites" and bad mouth them face to face.

As far as half wits are concerned: Welcome home!

Milacron of PM
01-29-2004, 01:43 PM
smokerron, who ~are~ you ? No email address, no profile...

Typical that personal lambasting is coming from someone hiding in the digital bushes.

I need at least some hint of whether I'm responding to a 16 year old pimple faced teenager, a nut case from prison, or a logical normal person before I can be inspired to delve further into this little tiff http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

pgmrdan
01-29-2004, 01:53 PM
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Joel
01-29-2004, 02:33 PM
Everyone gets welcomed here.
What's to be gained by delving into any tiff?
Most of us humans are half-wits, especially myself. I am here to learn what I can, and help where I can, so that I may help to improve that situation.
I personally don't care who is making the posts, as long as they at least try not to speak authoritatively on topics, which they have no experience. Most of us probably regard people on the accumulated content of their postings, and hopefully seldom judge at all. It seems that unpleasant people don’t stick around here for long, so flaming tends not to be a problem. But on all counts, I could be wrong.

Al Flipo
01-29-2004, 03:05 PM
“Master Machinist” I cringe when I hear that phrase, I wonder who qualifies a person to be designated to that higher standard, and who are the qualifiers, other masters? I personally get humbled by some of the projects displayed on this board, and these are the people who do this for a hobby.

metal mite
01-29-2004, 03:29 PM
smokerron,

I've been doing this work as a profession for 35 years as well as a hobby.
I see this master machinist title and wonder what it means.

No one ever dared call me that, perhaps because a raise would be due with the accusation.

I'm still learning every day, as you are.

All the boards are clannish at times, as well as this one.

Welcome

mite

metal mite
01-29-2004, 03:40 PM
D Thomas,

You don't give out so much info yourself.

Perhaps he is doing this from a work e-mail address like me and can't have a ton of personal traffic come in.

mite

John Stevenson
01-29-2004, 04:57 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Alistair Hosie:
but I am very poor your right there John all donations or food parcels widely and greatfully accepted. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif</font>

Alistair,
There is a big difference between being poor and being tight http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
As a Scotsman you should know about the latter http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

John S.

pgmrdan
01-29-2004, 04:59 PM
Oooooh! Burn! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

Peter S
01-29-2004, 05:06 PM
smokerron,
I'm afraid you are going to find lots of us here are probably 'inexperienced idiots' and 'book readers' (thats me!) too.

I can only see grief ahead when your first few posts badmouth other people (and you don't tell us where it was you found these lowlife characters, I would like to see both sides of the story). Why not save us and yourselves all the grief and leave now?

stephen thomas
01-29-2004, 05:35 PM
metal mite said:

"D Thomas,
You don't give out so much info yourself."

IMO, Don Thomas (no relation thought I'd be proud if he were) is a straight forward, dead honest individual with a remarkable resume, who started Practical Machinist site a few years ago when Chaski did not have an archive. One of the early precepts was also to see how a site with no censorship except the responsibility, integrity, and good graces of its members could provide a reasonable, self policing community.

It may be work, but you can find out quite a bit about Don by reading the posts to his board:

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&BypassCookie=true

We're sometime a fractious lot but I like to think that respect, openness, and the glaring light of reason tend generally to trump meanspirited forays, innuendo, and name calling. Really accrimonious stuff gets locked down from further sallies, but the public record stands in case factual reference is needed. The site appeals to my sense of fairness, and the real world nitty gritty of human discourse.

Smokerron, I've never seen a post by you on the site at all, let alone one that would warrant your attack and allegations on this one. Since I am standing in public and representing Don T as a paragon, It would be interesting if you have factual contrary information I should be aware of. Don has never shyed from inpsection of his dealings that I am aware of; and the fact that IME he has never censored the infrequent personal attack no matter how specious or odious is a remarkable testament. I think he answered your post here primarily as a way of taking responsibility for a statement he made. Can you do the same?

smt

Alistair Hosie
01-29-2004, 05:45 PM
Alistair,
There is a big difference between being poor and being tight
As a Scotsman you should know about the latter

John S.

John I'm still waiting for the W D40 your sending me for my wallet http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif Im still on the same toilet roll from my schooldays http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
thrift laddie thrift you've heard of it from Thrud no doubt http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif Alistair

lynnl
01-29-2004, 05:49 PM
...WD40 for the wallet.., eh Alistair? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
That's a good one.

John Stevenson
01-29-2004, 06:06 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Alistair Hosie:
Im still on the same toilet roll from my schooldays http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
thrift laddie thrift you've heard of it from Thrud no doubt http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif Alistair</font>

Are you on the second side of the roll yet?

John S.


BTW, Those fans from Tamworth aren't suitable, too flimsy and are only for moving air.
If you want a sturdy custom one making drop me an email.

wierdscience
01-29-2004, 07:43 PM
Ya,thats why I hang around too!

wierdscience
01-29-2004, 07:48 PM
Alistair,"food parcels"?You had better watch out,Thrud might be fixing to donate some meatloaf,and from what I hear its radioactive http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

John."poor cousins from across the pond"?I thought I was you guys poor half-redneck yank cousin? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif P.s.any food/tool donations are welcome here too....but I'm alerting customs to be on the look out for meatloaf http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Alistair Hosie
01-29-2004, 08:21 PM
BTW, Those fans from Tamworth aren't suitable, too flimsy and are only for moving air.
If you want a sturdy custom one making drop me an email.


thanks john I'm nowhere near ready for it yet will let you know when I am clear of what I'm doing very kind offer thanks again Alistair

spope14
01-29-2004, 08:38 PM
Geeze, looked at the site linked above, looks like many of the same people there post here.

Never knew there was another board.....

PSD KEN
01-29-2004, 09:43 PM
I kinda skulk around both sites, enjoy both very much, cannot fault either one.
I was enlighted by the difference tixt broke and frugal, one is always learning.
I am new to the arcane mysteries of metal mutulation, (oops shouldna'done that). But, am learning alot by just listening.

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smokerron
01-29-2004, 11:08 PM
Very interesting, No matter where one goes the little DThomas cartel follows, It does not matter who you are or what you do. As long as you stroke this clown, you are OK.
If you do not agree with this GOD then they want your home address.
I will pass- good luck to you.

J Tiers
01-29-2004, 11:27 PM
Well, I am a new member here. This thread finally got me to register, although I have been just reading the posts for a couple years.

Ron, in case you didn't know, the "other" board is OWNED by D Thomas, who therefore (surprise!) pops up on it quite a bit. As for the other stuff you said, dominating the internet, etc, etc, I don't even want to know what your problem is.

I will second the remarks above concerning good character etc of Don Thomas. Good person. Good folks here too.

I know this stuff isn't the normal activity here, as I have been lurking so long. Every board gets a troll from time to time, and they usually leave after a while.

Anyhow, Since I have finally registered, I guess you will be seeing me from time to time here.

torker
01-29-2004, 11:42 PM
I'm new around here also but I do frequent the other board as well. They are both excellent IMO. I get up at 5 am every morning and head right for the computer so I can read what my fellow Canadians have to say. It isn't a real day without a new "Thrudism" and I'm always interested in what Evan is up to. I've always been treated well on both boards and DT has taken time to give me some good advice. Thanks to all! Russ

BillH
01-30-2004, 12:08 AM
I've been here for a little while, and I still don't know what the heck you guys are talking about. This is a web board, we share a common interest, we help each other out. What does another web board and some make believe internet ego's have to do with us over here? Why would it even matter?
Lets make some blue chips and share the knowledge, thats what I say.

crypto
01-30-2004, 01:00 AM
Ohhh! this is wonderful. Hey you all, who is your writer? You guys are all working from a script are'nt you or are all these responses just off the cuff?

A THRUDISM, now there's a word that will surely eventually be incorporated into some scholarly treatise on the english lanuage as used in the early 21st century by primitive internetters.

This is better than my evening glass of Port.

torker
01-30-2004, 01:14 AM
There is just no other way to put it.

Evan
01-30-2004, 01:28 AM
Sheeesh... I think I'm going to worry about the piece of three inch bar stock I offered to cut up for a friend...

Thrud
01-30-2004, 03:35 AM
All I have to say is "let them eat meatloaf"! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

...now if we can just figure out how "they" is... http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//eek.gif

Milacron of PM
01-30-2004, 09:13 AM
Stephen T and J, thanks for the kind words.

JCHannum
01-30-2004, 11:16 AM
I have looked at PM off and on as well as several of the other machining sites, and see several familar names on them. I don't bother with them too much, as this one works well for me, and I have been a suscriber to the magazines for several years.
The people on the other sites probably are no more or less well informed than those here, and the jerk ratio is probably the same.
With the anonymity of the internet, anyone can project any persona he chooses. Take it all with a grain of salt. If the advice is good, accept it. If you don't like it, reject it or question it.
I know nothing about D Thomas other than he has an annoying habit of using the ~ key. I am sure his family and friends think well of him.
If some of the members of other forums wish to join us and contribute, I welcome them. If the desire is to knock this forum, or pump up someone's ego, please go away.

[This message has been edited by JCHannum (edited 01-30-2004).]

Evan
01-30-2004, 02:49 PM
Well said JC, I agree.

Rustybolt
01-30-2004, 06:45 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Alistair Hosie:
Alistair,
There is a big difference between being poor and being tight
As a Scotsman you should know about the latter

John S.

John I'm still waiting for the W D40 your sending me for my wallet http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif Im still on the same toilet roll from my schooldays http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
thrift laddie thrift you've heard of it from Thrud no doubt http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif Alistair</font>

Which reminds me of the punchline to a joke my late stepfather told me. He lived most of his young life in Yorkshire. The back of the farm was Hadrians wall. (in my best scottish burr)

"Mind ya put the condom back where ya found it. It belongs to the bicycle club."

Milacron of PM
01-31-2004, 04:03 PM
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Buuaaahahaha !!

JCHannum
01-31-2004, 04:31 PM
The previous post is an amazing demonstration of intelligence one would presume?

Milacron of PM
01-31-2004, 05:01 PM
Well JC, I thought it was of some humor. When someone is annoyed by the silliest of things it's pretty tempting to illustrate just how silly it is by 'fighting silliness with more silliness'

I use the ~ symbol just as a lazy man's bold as it entails fewer keystrokes. Some folks use *bold* as an alternative.

So, nothing to do with intelligence or maturity, get over it.

JCHannum
01-31-2004, 07:23 PM
D Thomas; thanks for the education. I always appreciate learning something new.
It is still an annoying affectation. Do you dot your i's with little circles or smiley faces? Kind of the same cutesy sort of thing.
I am over it, as it does not bother me one way or the other.
This thread was on it's way to page two anonymity until you revived it. Seems like you might have some issues to get over yourself.
Have a nice day.

Milacron of PM
01-31-2004, 07:37 PM
JC, just out of curiosity, and I'm serious now...not trying to get under your collar or escalate things...but how would someone emphasize a word or phrase that would not annoy you ? Would the extra keystrokes involved in making a word or phrase bold via html be the only way acceptable ?

Or would using *asterisks* be acceptabe ?
In other words, is a ~tilde~ considered "cute" but an *asterisk* "manly" ?

And to all you that may be reading this and thinking this is increadably trivial, you're right, but apparently the trivial can actually stir some curious emotions, so perhaps it's not so trivial after all, so I want to know what others think.

Arcane
01-31-2004, 08:37 PM
Take a famous quote from P.T. Barnum and substitute the word "please" for the word "fool".

Arcane
01-31-2004, 08:37 PM
Take a famous quote from P.T. Barnum and substitute the word "please" for the word "fool".

Joel
01-31-2004, 09:18 PM
Well, I would like to see this thread die, but since you seem to genuinely want an honest opinion however valueless, here is one.
I have no idea why sometimes very minor things seem to aggravate certain people, but they do. It is a simple, common, and unavoidable fact of life. Most of the time, if it's not too much trouble, (and it's usually not) courteous people tend to accommodate out of tolerance and mutual respect. If something is not a big deal to me, and it is to someone whom I like in some capacity, I have little trouble exercising that bit of tolerance. My friends do the same for me regularly. All of us are a PITA to someone at sometime.

The frequent use of ~ is, for some strange reason, mildly annoying. MUCH LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO TYPE IN ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME, BUT NOT AS MUCH, (TO ME ANYWAY). Does that by chance irritate you as much as it seems to irritate most people? Things unique also tend to lose impact when used frequently. The annoyance, and consequential minor problems potentially created by this entire topic, is worthy of little introspective searching on anyone’s behalf. You know, one of those “everyone get over it already” deals. So, since it is indeed a semi-free country, do as you wish, but realize that some would SLIGHTLY prefer a different approach. I for one can deal with it.

I most definitely agree with the logical content of BillH’s post, and JC’s post on the top of this page. I also agree, that I am sure that your family and friends will think well of you regardless. I call THAT, diplomacy. Back to making chips!

Milacron of PM
01-31-2004, 10:18 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Arcane:
Take a famous quote from P.T. Barnum and substitute the word "please" for the word "fool".</font>

Well seeing as how PT Barnum's famous phrase contained neither or those words, that's a bit tricky isn't it ?

Btw, he never actually said his famous phrase "There's a sucker born every minute" in the first place....an urban legend of old.

Milacron of PM
01-31-2004, 10:26 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joel:

The frequent use of ~ is, for some strange reason, mildly annoying. MUCH LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO TYPE IN ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME, BUT NOT AS MUCH, (TO ME ANYWAY). Does that by chance irritate you as much as it seems to irritate most people?

Typing in caps does annoy me, as it should most thinking people, as there is a very logical reason for it. We educated humans read by reading the shapes of words, not just the letters. Reading all caps slows down the reading process as the shapes are all blocks...thus the annoyance of having to read more slowing and carefully to decipher the meaning. This is not some theory of mine, btw, but proven fact by numerous studies.

On the other hand, being annoyed at a squigly line has zero logic associated with it. Perhaps the curves are subconsciously associated with "girly" things somehow...beats me...but quite illogical nontheless.

Evan
01-31-2004, 10:31 PM
The tilde has the meaning of "approximately", not emphasis. A word or phrase within quotes is either a quotation or connotates that the meaning may be other than is commonly accepted. Parentheses indicate an aside or a sotto voce comment. The asterisk has come to mean emphasis from the time of limited ASCII text with no other means to BOLD a word or phrase. Italics usually are used to represent the words of an other from the main text such as editors notes. All capitals are used for the title of a work. In German all nouns are capitalized. The very early computers had no lower case function so all text was capitalized.

JCHannum
01-31-2004, 10:45 PM
Well, I was going to let this go, as Joel responded quite appropriately.
Back in Creative Writing, I was taught that a good communicator could present his thoughts without resorting to various affectations. There really is no need to use bold or any other type in normal writing. If you can't make your point, unecessary emphasis merely reveals your shortcomings.
All capitals, doodads scattered throughout the text, bolding and other disruptions interrupt the line of thought and provide an annoyance to some people.
I in no way intended to impugn anyone's masculinity, and certainly am in no way emotionally affected by this whole thing.
Sheesh, talk about touchy.



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bspooh
01-31-2004, 10:59 PM
Rodney King said it best...

"Can't we all just get along?"

We are all in the same boat when it comes to making chips...

Machinists, and wannabee machinists, should all stick together as one group..We are all Family, and even Families don't get along all of the time, so please lets just get over it already...

Forgive and forget..

brent

Arcane
01-31-2004, 11:20 PM
My error, D. Thomas...my memory is obviously shot! lol. I meant "You can please all of the people some of the time and you can please some of the people all of the time but you can`t please all of the people all of the time." (Who said that?)

Milacron of PM
01-31-2004, 11:30 PM
Evan, thank you very much for the only logical explaination. Quite refreshing to read "just the facts" without resorting to the personal attacks JC and other can't seem to resist.

As to JC's point of not needing unnecessary emphasis to make a point, well perhaps if you are Hemmingway and writing a novel this is true. But unless you're quite young, your teachers didn't prepare you for the world wide web. The www is not a novel or shortstory. It's real world instant communication where in talking stranger to stranger, we're often not aware of each other's writing "style" or personality and can't see subtle facial expressions. So in this case emphasis and ocassional use of emoticons *is* important.


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> If you can't make your point, unecessary emphasis merely reveals your shortcomings. </font>

JC, this sort of personal put down, plus other sarcastic statments such as "have a nice day" are quite telling. Notice in all our little conversation here I haven't resorted to personal attacks toward you. Now, who has the shortcomings ? I leave others to decide.

Signing off this thread.
D. Thomas

mike ncal
01-31-2004, 11:51 PM
arcane
Abe Lincoln said that

John Stevenson
02-01-2004, 04:37 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Arcane:
My error, D. Thomas...my memory is obviously shot! lol. I meant "You can please all of the people some of the time and you can please some of the people all of the time but you can`t please all of the people all of the time." (Who said that?) </font>

You just did.

Thrud
02-01-2004, 08:07 PM
I thought Rodney King said:
"Stop kicking the crap out of me please officer!"