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PTSideshow
12-04-2011, 11:49 AM
Maneater snowblower from childhood, This blower has been in the family since the mid 1960's It had a Tecumseh 4 stroke 6 hp on it and it has always been a pain in the seat to start and run. Even if it was run out of gas between uses and over the spring/summer/fall no use seasons. It ran last year, and this year it didn't what to start or even fire.
I never have cared for Tecumseh, the carbs suck big time. Even when I was working for a repair shop at a landscape supply years ago they sucked It seemed that since I was part time I always got stuck with them for repair.
So this year when Harbor Freight came out with a coupon for a 212cc/6.5hp horizontal with a 3/4" shaft for $99.00 I picked one up to swap out. Now all of the reviews and reports have been good that I have seen on these engines. They are clones of the Honda CX 200 series or so I have been told that those parts will fit. They certainly look like them.

I have a vert of one Honda on the power washer. So I figured what the hell.
I picked one up, removed the old engine and bolted up the new one after mounting the clutch drive, easier on the bench. Less scrap iron getting in the way.

After securing it and lining up the drive chain. I filled it up with oil and gas, first pull it fired up and run for about 20 minutes while I oiled and greased up all the rotating scrap iron on the maneater.

This one is before they mandated that the auger stop when it wasn't moving forward. It spins at the step down of the chain drive when the engine is running. They use to cause a lot of bodily damage of the people that either got in the way or tried clearing the chute with their hands and arms!
The engine is the Predator 212cc they also have 346cc,420cc

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The only adjustments that are going to be required is adding an extension to the drive chain guard as the mounting lug no longer matches the thread holes on the side of the block.
And minor adjustment to the engine position possibly after the 3 hour run in period.

I will keep the group informed good or bad as the winter progresses.

PTSideshow
12-04-2011, 11:50 AM
Here is the rest of the beast
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Here are the only controls forward high/low/reverse and the chute direction on the right side clutch is built in to the shifter lever to operate, only need to move the lever with out squeezing anything else. No numb fingers from holding some stupid lever down will blowing snow.
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sasquatch
12-04-2011, 02:50 PM
In my area those engines are being sold just everywere, and dirt cheap considering the machining etc in them.
Back a month ?? ago there was a sale flyer of 6HP vert crank engines for $89.00 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brutal competition for the american built engines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:(

CCWKen
12-04-2011, 03:02 PM
What is a snowblower and why would you want to blow snow? :confused:

:D

lugnut
12-04-2011, 03:13 PM
I bought a snow blower once, back in my other life in Idaho. Bought the damn thing and it never snowed again for almost 10 years. May be that PT will have the same good luck:D

gvasale
12-04-2011, 03:13 PM
there ARE Briggs carbs which suck even worse!

John Stevenson
12-04-2011, 04:03 PM
What is a snowblower and why would you want to blow snow? :confused:

:D

In Texas you mount them upside down in window units and call them air con units. Point the snow chute where you want cool air :D


There ARE Briggs carbs which suck even worse!

I thought all carbs were supposed to suck ???? :rolleyes:

Ian B
12-04-2011, 04:16 PM
Diary of a Snow Shoveler

December 9: We woke to a beautiful blanket of crystal white snow covering every inch of the landscape. What a fantastic sight! Can there be a more lovely place in the Whole World? Moving here was the best idea I've ever had. Shoveled for the first time in years and felt like a boy again. I did both our driveway and the sidewalks. This afternoon the snow plow came along and covered up the sidewalks and closed in the driveway, so I got to shovel again. What a perfect life.

December 12: The sun has melted all our lovely snow. Such a disappointment. My neighbor tells me not to worry, we'll definitely have a white Christmas. No snow on Christmas would be awful! Bob says we'll have so much snow by the end of winter, that I'll never want to see snow again. I don't think that's possible. Bob is such a nice man. I'm glad he's our neighbor.

December 14: Snow, lovely snow! 8" last night. The temperature dropped to -20. The cold makes everything sparkle so. The wind took my breath away, but I warmed up by shoveling the driveway and sidewalks. This is the life! The snowplow came back this afternoon and buried everything again. I didn't realize I would have to do quite this much shoveling, but I'll certainly get back in shape this way. I wish I wouldn't huff and puff so.

December 15: 20 inches forecast. Sold my van and bought a 4x4 Blazer. Bought snow tires for the wife's car and 2 extra shovels. Stocked the freezer. The wife wants a wood stove in case the electricity goes out. I think that's silly. We aren't in Alaska, after all.

December 16: Ice storm this morning. Fell on my ass on the ice in the driveway putting down salt. Hurt like hell. The wife laughed for an hour, which I think was very cruel.

December 17: Still way below freezing. Roads are too icy to go anywhere. Electricity was off for 5 hours. I had to pile the blankets on to stay warm. Nothing to do but stare at the wife and try not to irritate her. Guess I should've bought a wood stove, but won't admit it to her. God I hate it when she's right. I can't believe I'm freezing to death in my own living room.

December 20: Electricity's back on, but had another 14" of the damn stuff last night. More shoveling. Took all day. Goddamn snowplow came by twice. Tried to find a neighbor kid to shovel, but they said they're too busy playing hockey. I think they're lying. Called the only hardware store around to see about buying a snow blower and they're out. Might have another shipment in March. I think they're lying. Bob says I have to shovel or the city will have it done and bill me. I think he's lying.

December 22: Bob was right about a white Christmas because 13 more inches of the white **** fell today, and it's so cold it probably won't melt till August. Took me 45 minutes to get all dressed up to go out to shovel and then I had to piss. By the time I got undressed, pissed and dressed again. I was too tired to shovel. Tried to hire Bob who has a plow on his truck for the rest of the winter; but he says he's too busy. I think the asshole is lying.

December 23: Only 2" of snow today. And it warmed up to 0. The wife wanted me to decorate the front of the house this morning. What is she...nuts??? Why didn't she tell me to do that a month ago? She says she did but I think she's damn well lying.

December 24: 6". Snow packed so hard by snowplow, l broke the shovel. Thought I was having a heart attack. If I ever catch the son of a bitch who drives that snowplow, I'll drag him through the snow by his balls. I know he hides around the corner and waits for me to finish shoveling and then he comes down the street at a 100 miles an hour and throws snow all over where I've just been! Tonight the wife wanted me to sing Christmas carols with her and open our presents, but I was busy watching for the goddamn snowplow.

December 25: Merry Christmas. 20 more inches of the #$%ing slop tonight. Snowed in. The idea of shoveling makes my blood boil. God I hate the snow! Then the snowplow driver came by asking for a donation and I hit him over the head with my shovel.

December 26: Still snowed in. Why the hell did I ever move here? It was all HER idea. She's really getting on my nerves.

December 28: Warmed up to above -50. Still snowed in. THE BITCH is driving me crazy!!!

December 29: 10 more inches. Bob says I have to shovel the roof or it could cave in. That's the silliest thing I ever heard. How dumb does he think I am?

December 30: Roof caved in. The snow plow driver is suing me for a million dollars for the bump on his head. The wife went home to her mother. 9" predicted.

December 31: Set fire to what's left of the house. No more shoveling.

January 8: I feel so good. I just love those little white pills they keep giving me. Why am I tied to the bed?

wierdscience
12-04-2011, 04:19 PM
In my area those engines are being sold just everywere, and dirt cheap considering the machining etc in them.
Back a month ?? ago there was a sale flyer of 6HP vert crank engines for $89.00 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brutal competition for the american built engines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:(

Once you cut the low oil shutdown out of the system they are pretty good,but it's best to keep a head gasket and a set of rings nearby from experience.

sasquatch
12-04-2011, 04:37 PM
Back about 4 -5 years ago i bought one of these chinese engined generators just as a back up for my good one, (Mitsubishi powered Lincoln welder-generator.)
Anyway, the chinese one we used for two years building my son's new house and shop etc.
We ran the hell out of the thing, only problems were stuck govenor linkage a few times, had to weld the muffler bracket, and replaced two starter ropes.

Amazing , this thing never failed to start first pull, ran a bit over loaded at times briefly, and it now uses a slight bit of oil.

I'm as much in favour of AMERICAN built equipment as anyone, but this thing has certainly been good .

wierdscience
12-04-2011, 04:48 PM
They are good engines,especially for the money.I have gotten good service out of the one on my tiller.

I had another on a high wheel mower that while it ran great for two seasons midway through the third the rings collapsed.No biggie,Honda parts do fit and suitable replacement were bought for $16.That was a "Workhorse"labeled engine and apparently they suffered from crappy rings according to what the parts guy told me.

Besides the low oil switch the only other piece that is a problem are some of the recoil hats.They built them just a little too cheap,but can also be replaced with a Honda cap,or a 1/2 cordless drill and deep socket;) :)

gvasale
12-04-2011, 04:52 PM
John: well of course all carbs suck... until you read carburetor theory. If I didn't say it clearly, well its my own fault. The carbs used on many Tecumseh engines that had a gas tank seperate from the carb used to have a drain valve which could be handy for letting out contaminants from the fuel bowl. Then that valve went away. Rotary, a Chinese or Taiwanese replacement part manufacturer put the valve back in to there replacement carbs. Briggs carbs, i.e. the Flo-Jet models, have no such drain, although you could remove the high speed valve & packing nut assembly and do the same thing, but because the Briggs is affected by water from my experiance worse than the steel or aluminum bowl of the Tecumseh engines, well they go from suck to blow....Big Time.

Fasttrack
12-04-2011, 07:22 PM
I'm as much in favour of AMERICAN built equipment as anyone, but this thing has certainly been good .



I think it is awfully hard to screw up a small engine, although a few manufacturers seem to be trying very hard. Anyway, these are low compression and extremely low tech engines. There's not much to screw up. Even if there were sloppy machine work, it won't prevent the engine from running, it may just make a little less power or consume a little more oil. For occassional use, it will probably never be noticed.

JoeCB
12-04-2011, 07:50 PM
Tecumseh .... no problem. Just today dragged out the old Arens snow blower with 6 hp Tecumseh. Old gas from last year (shame on me!) ... fired right up after 3 pulls. I haven't touched that carb since I bought the blower USED back in 1978. Mine does have the little drain button on the bottom of the bowl, as least the bowl gets drained at the end of the season. The project for this week is to repair the completely worn through tire chains, need to find some of that 1 " twisted link chain somewhere.

Joe B

jkilroy
12-04-2011, 10:14 PM
You are probably going to want to add some weight back to make up for the lighter aluminum engine, otherwise traction will suffer.

T.Hoffman
12-04-2011, 10:55 PM
Maneater snowblower from childhood, This blower has been in the family since the mid 1960's It had a Tecumseh 4 stroke 6 hp on it and it has always been a pain in the seat to start and run.
I had this SAME snowblower for many years, I called it the "WidowMaker", you have more guards on it than mine did....

It was a pseudo-two-stage blower, before two stagers were the norm. The middle paddle would throw the snow up/out from snow driven inwards from the augers. Once started, everything as spinning. God help anyone that got near the front end with a loose glove or coat sleeve...

Worked ok, and was way better than shoveling by hand, but it would clog easily with heavy or wet snow.

But it made you VERY respectful of being anywhere near the front end of that thing....I am glad to be rid of the WidowMaker.

darryl
12-05-2011, 12:59 AM
Reminds me of a snowfall we had here several years ago. This was probably the only time I have hosted a family Christmas gathering. Anyway, people were here and I was well-enough stocked to feed everyone. Drink everyone too. There was snow, but then it really started to build up.

A few days later, everyone was calling 'home' to say they wouldn't be making it. One sister was mad that she couldn't go home, so she slept all night and most of the day on the couch. Dad slept a lot of the time too, but he was about as active as I expected him to be- and he was a peacekeeper. My nephew and his friend were just hanging around waiting for someone to make them something to eat. Another sister made me hurt just to see her move around, which she was having trouble doing. I was getting tired of being an entertainer. I just wanted to go work in the shop, which I did a few times. My 'guests' just sat around, waiting. The youngest ones were randomly breaking things, then wondering that these things were so fragile. One was a hunting knife- the blade was snapped in half. How do you do that?

Anyway, after about five days, I was cabin crazy. I went out and shovelled the LandCruiser out, fired it up and went for a rip. Nowhere to rip to, but I did get around the block. Nobody helped me shovel. I then started to shovel out the other vehicles. Did the whole thing myself. Go back in the house and they want me to make them something to eat. I go down to the shop and begin to play.

But then I go upstairs and feed the lot again. I don't really mind- it's my place and I'm the host, but it would have been nice to have some help. My one sister did help me, even though with her fibromyalgia she could hardly move. I went out after that and started to shovel the neighbors car out. I did the next door and across the street. It was still snowing each day, but not as much as it had been.

Our food supply had begun to run out, but the major stores were closed. We ended up at a neighborhood store and came home with all this stale crap- probably would have been better to stop eating for a few days. Anyway, Dad figured that maybe it was time to see if he could get his truck running and make his way home. The two young lads were anxious to get away as well. I had dug out their car a few days earlier, but there was no way I was going to do that again. The sight of them poking at the snow was - well, I guess it was funny, but I would rather have seen them shovelling the snow with their laptops. Wouldn't the screen make a good blade-

Dads truck is a 4x4- he has no trouble backing out of the driveway and starting off down the street. Problem was- about every second neighbor had a vehicle backed out and stuck on the street. Not kidding- in one block there were at least six vehicles stuck in the street. Everybody needed to get to the store I'm sure, but man-. I help them get going, and finally the two lads started giving a hand. We were mainly getting their vehicles back into their driveways. All of the neighbors helped everyone. We got to the point where we could actually drive down the street. Dad had no trouble at all navigating the mess- he was having a good time laughing sort of crudely about my neighbors lack of ability to drive in the snow. We're from the prairies- there's no problem with us. They must be from the south :D

I'm happy now- I have the house to myself. It need a lot of clean-up, but I don't care. I jump in the 'Cruiser and burn off down the road. I don't mind helping a few other people get their vehicles unstuck. And yes, the ploughs did finally start to clear the streets- and leave a wall of dirty ice and snow at the end of everybodys driveways. I shovelled mine and two neighbors. I more or less shamed my one neighbor into helping me clear his driveway. But I knew it was either that or help him push when they got stuck-

They say it could be a long cold winter here this year, with lots of snow. I think I'm going to develop a limp, a hernia, a sciatica, and a stiff neck. :)

Those two lads these days? While I'm a good weight for my height and reasonably fit, they have nearly become Pillsbury Doughboys. Sad.

Black Forest
12-05-2011, 01:19 AM
Unimog! If the neighbors cars were in my way I would just drive over them!
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mototed
12-05-2011, 07:48 AM
On those engines it looks like the starter rope pulls @ the 2:00 o'clock position. Will the cover spin around so it will pull from lets say 8:00 o'clock.
I have an old chipper/shreader and one of those would fix it right up.
Thanks
Ted

PTSideshow
12-05-2011, 08:02 AM
I don't see why it wouldn't. As with others I have moved the pull direction either on purpose or by accident. The rope recoil assembly is contained in a round cover unit that is screwed to the shroud cover.

BigMike782
12-05-2011, 11:59 AM
In the blizzard of '78 my Dad had a Craftsman snow chucker.It had stamped steel wheels and the impeller was a flat steel plate with a row of bolts from one side to the other.....very crude but with the only neighbor with a snow blower snowed in at work it got the job done.

Some of my leisure time is spent fixing up outdoor power equipment and some engines I avoid like the plague are Tecjunksy,Briggs and Scrapiron and Blonan.....give me a K series Kohler anyday!

RetiredLE
12-05-2011, 03:12 PM
I couldn't resist adding to this thread.

I am all about overbuilding stuff. This guy must have been a relative....

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