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skipd1
02-13-2012, 03:41 PM
Has anyone experience with this machine make. I have an opportunity to purchase an older model, but very similar, thats never been used and has new paint and looks pretty good for under $2300. Is this as good as a Bridgeport or Rockwell?

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skipd1
02-13-2012, 03:47 PM
Sorry I forgot to post the hyperlink for you guys.

http://www.wttool.com/index/page/product/product_id/14819

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aboard_epsilon
02-13-2012, 03:55 PM
could also be this one ..it has horizontal as well ...that's a bonus ...that makes it better than a Bridgeport

http://www.wttool.com/index/page/product/product_id/14823/product_name/Horizontal+%26+Vertical+Turret+Mill+%28WT%29&update_continue_shopping=true

but slowest spindle speed is a bit high on this one 120rpm ....plus the other one in the first link is a little bit lower...100 rpm.. but not low enough ...should be below 80 rpm...you want that for some flycutting operations and countersinking.

good powerful motor

skipd1
02-13-2012, 04:11 PM
So is a horiz. and Vertical mill in one machine called a turrent mill?

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willmac
02-13-2012, 04:31 PM
ISO30 on one spindle and R8 on the other? That really makes no sense to me at all. I have a horizontal/vertical spindle mill and it is really important that the same tooling can be used in both spindles interchangeably. I guess R8 for the horizontal spindle would make little sense, since it has an overarm support but why not ISO30 on both? Also, you really need slow speeds for the horizontal spindle unless you want to limit yourself to small cutters. Perhaps on reflection a limitation like that may be sensible given the rigidity which this mill probably has.

justanengineer
02-13-2012, 05:04 PM
So is a horiz. and Vertical mill in one machine called a turrent mill?


A turret mill is one that has a turret on it. The turret sits on top of the base casting, holding the ram, which projects out to the head, and allows both to rotate about the centerline of the base casting. The purpose of the turret is so that you can reposition the head to cover another area to be milled, while keeping the spindle perpendiculr to the table - it gives you more "reach" if you will, but also creates a loss of rigidity.

http://ninjacraze.hubpages.com/hub/Milling-Machine-Parts-and-their-Function

The above link should help. Also, try comparing the mill in your link, or even the common bridgeport to the link below of a vertical, non-turret mill. I apologize for the ad in the link, but its the first set of good pics I could find. Guess which mill is more rigid?

http://www.exapro.com/used-kearney-trecker-milwaukee-bed-type-vertical-milling-machine-p10805231/

I too am confused by the multiple spindle tapers, but am encouraged by the fact that the motor is 3 phase. Generally, 3 ph = more intended for use in a commercial shop = better quality machine, but generalizations are like... well nevermind...

skipd1
02-13-2012, 05:12 PM
All this is pretty new to me and wanting to buy a tool I will be happy with is difficult when you don't know much about these machines. I like the way the horizontal mills work and they seem to be pretty flexable as to what milling jobs they can do. On the other hand there are a ton of vertical mills out there and everyone seems to like them as a single answer to milling. A friend of mine bought a older used Jet vertical knee mill that has a horizontal spindle as well and that seems to be the best of both worlds. However if they each have there own spindle sizes and you need to spend a fortune on tooling!! It seems like there are too many options. Then add that my shop is already jammed with woodworking tools space is a serious concern.
Regards.
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hardtail
02-13-2012, 06:11 PM
Well I guess the question is which mill is it, vertical or vertical/horizontal? R8 is the most economical tooling to acquire.......if it has a horizontal function even of a different taper that would be a bonus but probably rarely used depending on what you envision doing..........

noah katz
02-14-2012, 01:19 AM
Fortunately the motors are 3-ph, so all it takes to slow it down is a VFD, which also kills the phase converter bird, and is super nice to have anyway

Dr Stan
02-14-2012, 01:39 AM
Well let's see. Is it as good as a Brideport or a Rockwell? Assuming by the name & price it is a Chinese knock-off of a BP. Using this logic a Chinese wrench should be just as good as a Snap-On, Proto, Mac, Wright, or Armstrong.

skipd1
02-14-2012, 10:40 AM
Well let's see. Is it as good as a Brideport or a Rockwell? Assuming by the name & price it is a Chinese knock-off of a BP. Using this logic a Chinese wrench should be just as good as a Snap-On, Proto, Mac, Wright, or Armstrong.

Dr.Stan
Well said and enough on this subject I think. Thanks everyone for your advise.

Regards.
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lynnl
02-14-2012, 05:20 PM
Well, I have some chinese wrenches (open end) that for my purposes are as good as I could ever want.

I've never used Snap-On or Proto, etc., but I can't imagine an open end wrench doing anything more for me than these, unless some can cook breakfast or stuff like that. I've used these for years and they look perfectly new, no rust or wear or gouge marks on the jaws.

hardtail
02-14-2012, 09:58 PM
Looks like a good starter 3/4 size machine on the cheap if thats what hes after........tooling up a mill is the most expensive but unless you buy a used one that comes with everything you'll face that hurdle anyway......you can do it slow and gradual........

sch
02-14-2012, 11:28 PM
One thing to drill down on, not mentioned in the specis, is spindle to
table max. Bridgeport size mills it is in the 16-17" range, smaller
mills may be as little as 12" which is not too bad for most milling
using collets as tool holders, but limits what you can drill. Work
arounds available but consider: vise ~2.5-3" to bottom
of jaw from table, R8 drill chuck, minimum of 3" long for chuck
good to 1/2" or so, length of drill 3/8" and above size any where
from 2.5 to 6" or so. Add it up:6-7" taken for chuck and vice alone, but you
are drilling from the top so it is more and this doesn't include the length
of the drill bit. 12-13" table to spindle max doesn't leave much room
for work piece.