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hardtail
02-16-2012, 10:50 PM
I know there are a lot of motorcycle enthusiasts on here and am looking at the above bike with sidecar.......supposedly this is the speedster at 32hp, what is the real effective speed of these in natural offerings? I see they have a different fourth gear ratio option or different final ratio drive. I am thinking this might be a fun bike for my wife and family outings but I don't want to get her killed because it can't go more than 50mph wrung out........I think this might be a great bike for a city but I live in the country off a highway and in oilpatch alberta a rig rocket seldoms goes under 80 mph........

Also any reliability issues and fit and finish of the bike being a Chinese copy.......

flylo
02-16-2012, 10:57 PM
There's a guy in Ohio that imports Ural copies with sidecars & are 2WD. He sells them in kit form for about 5K. I think he's upgraded from 650 to 750cc.

Spookydad
02-17-2012, 12:02 AM
The Chang Jiang bikes are used by German reenactors as they are copies of the Russian copies of the German BMWs. I realize that they evolved and there are civilian versions that the reenactors are not interested in.

My first hand experience with the Chang's that the German reenactors use is limited, but they usually accompanied by expletives and clouds of blue smoke! I have never been able to get one to go faster than 50 mph!

When they are running, they are a heck of a lot of fun to ride.

Blitzbikes.com imports them and I am pretty sure there is a Yahoo group dedicated to them.

Neil

fixerdave
02-17-2012, 12:14 AM
...Also any reliability issues and fit and finish of the bike being a Chinese copy.......

I don't know about that... a quick search linked into Wikipedia and THEY said even the Chinese aren't buying these any more. The only thing keeping the factory going are foreign enthusiasts. 'dunno, but to me that's just plain scary.

I've been riding most of my life, but I'm what you call one of them practical riders. People that ride things like this are in it for something entirely different. So, what draws you to this thing? Seems to me the fit, finish, and reliability issues would be part of the charm, kind of like the lumpy idle of the unbalanced Harley engines.

It's sort of like this movie graph:

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/so_bad_its_worse.png

At what point is a bike so bad that's it's great, and at what point is it just so bad it's bad. I don't know where this bike is on the curve, but if a billion Chinese people can't keep the domestic market for it going, you have to start wondering. I mean, the Chinese make a lot of other motorcycles.

David...

hardtail
02-17-2012, 12:19 AM
Heres the link to this one......

http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-motorcycles-street-cruisers-choppers-Chang-Jiang-750cc-M1-Super-with-Sidecar-W0QQAdIdZ349897255

Claims it's NOS from 1970, has me puzzled by the front disk brake, I thought the Urals only came out with that in the past decade, seems odd that it sat new in China for that long of a period as it was only imported here 5 yrs ago.

I must admit this thing looks like a lot of fun and if I lived in town or on windy backroads but theres a lot of highway bussle around me. They have performance kits with pistons and this one supposedly already has a carb upgrade but I'm doubting the real safety if it doesn't have enough power to get out of it's own way.......that and my wife hasn't ridden herself in over 15 years.

Some site out of Colorado says they import and sell starting from $2000.....

I recall passing a Ural on the way to work last summer with hack and although he wasn't screaming along as I passed him and don't drive absurdly fast he didn't seem to be struggling......

FD almost seems to be a cult theme back in China surrounding these things........

Willy
02-17-2012, 01:19 AM
Lance I have seen a few around and have talked to owners of these bikes in the past and can tell you it is more of a hobby than you may want. Not that they cannot be made reliable, but as the old saying goes...half the fun of owning one is making it go anywhere at all.;)

Your linked bike does not look like any I remember seeing at that time. Like you said the disk front brake is a dead giveaway.

Here is a link to some interesting history and ownership insight.

http://www.changjiang750.com/advice.htm

Spookydad
02-17-2012, 01:28 AM
When my daughter was in Kindergarten, I was tuning up a friend's Chang. It had been almost fully converted to the original German army BMW look. I decided to load the dog in the side car and pick her up from school. I got the strangest looks from the soccer moms in suburban Dallas, but my daughter's classmates thought it was the coolest thing they had ever seen. On the way home, the dog would put his front paws up on the hood of the sidecar and his ears would flap in the breeze. I don't think he ever looked happier. We never went over 20 mph on the 1/4 mile trip.

EVguru
02-17-2012, 04:30 AM
A road test/review;
http://www.realclassic.co.uk/bemw03100600.html

An owner's tale....

Part 1;
http://www.realclassic.co.uk/changjiang05092100.html

Part 2;
http://www.realclassic.co.uk/changjiang05101800.html

Part3;
http://www.realclassic.co.uk/changjiang06022400.html


Lots more bikes (including some of mine);
http://www.realclassic.co.uk/profiles.html

hardtail
02-17-2012, 09:33 PM
Thx guys think I will dwell on it for a bit before going down to have a look......at least now I have an idea to identify from good old castings to worn out junk........hey with 32 raving hp you need all the help one can get, there maybe a JC speed guru in Edmonton that I can contact, but it sounds like you really don't want to overdrive the brakes anyway.......

Got a FXR top end to put together tomorrow and no end of other crap of my own to fix so although it looks like a neat machine not sure I really need something that requires constant attention........having to pull the sidecar to adjust the right cylinder valves often doesn't sound like a great deal on the super but I would want the sidecar with this bike. The appeal might be lost on the wife with frequent stops for adjustments or having to leave them there to go home and get the trailer to tow them home once again.........

Once they strip it down for restoration and redo the welds they still look crappy.........LOL It does have great styling though.......maybe 50 mph would be a nice shift into relaxation.......flip the mirrors down and forget about that Western Star barrelling down on you...........