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George Bulliss
03-16-2012, 08:37 AM
At some time this afternoon, or so Iím told, the BBS is going to look a little different. We are placing two links to our magazines in between the banner ads at the top of the page. We are also adding a Google ad banner on the left side of the page.

These new ads should not slow things down, but the page viewing area will be reduced as a result. Iím sure there will be plenty of grumbling over this.

However, the basics of the board will remain unchanged and any increase in income really is a good thing for the board and those who use it. We will be updating the software this year, something that may not have been possible without at least a little trickle of income to justify it. Having a quantifiable value is always a good thing in a for-profit company and these minor changes should help ensure a long life for the board.

I donít expect there to be any major disruptions during the work, but you never know; Iíll keep you posted should anything change.

George

vpt
03-16-2012, 08:43 AM
Please no Vbulletin!


Adds are just fine, we can all understand the need for a little income I am sure.

J Tiers
03-16-2012, 08:49 AM
For an example of what NOT to do, check the new Practical Machinist "updated version".

It is FAR LESS easy to read than before, all "safe, unoffensive, pastel nursery room colors...."

Some items are "clearly marked" by a button color of a "hint of baby blue on off-white, with a pastel yellow symbol on it".... :mad: :confused:

Perfect for a "new mothers" BBS, not so good for a bunch of OFs who need new glasses.

bborr01
03-16-2012, 08:52 AM
George,

Please don't do to this board what was just done to the PM board.


Thanks,
Brian

George Bulliss
03-16-2012, 08:53 AM
The software change is a few months off and no decisions have been made on the design yet.

The change today will be the addition of the Google banner ad and the two links to our magazines.

George

flylo
03-16-2012, 09:02 AM
I like the idea of a link to the HSM print ad. I didn't know there was a paper magazine for a while. Not so crazy about Google. But I do enjoy the site & my birthdays tomorrow maybe I'll get a print ad?

sasquatch
03-16-2012, 09:20 AM
I certainly agree the magazines should be posted here!

So in my opinion whatever it takes to keep this site up is fine with me,, as "Red Green" says, "I,m a man, i can change if i have to" !:D

Us "Crusty" old characters don't adapt readily to change , but eventually we get the message!!:D

George Bulliss
03-16-2012, 09:27 AM
Us "Crusty" old characters don't adapt readily to change , but eventually we get the message!

We have no desire to fix something that isnít broken and all changes will be minor and should be easy to adjust to.

On a somewhat related note, I just received an email telling me the board (and everything else in the company) will be down tomorrow from 8am-12pm EDT for system maintenance.

George

Dunc
03-16-2012, 09:47 AM
I am willing to accept a few more ads if that helps to keep the board going.
A small inconvenience for all the assistance that I have received on this site.
Thanks for the venue.

wendtmk
03-16-2012, 10:29 AM
Please no Vbulletin!


Adds are just fine, we can all understand the need for a little income I am sure.

Too late.

This forum is run by VBulletin software. :D

Mark

lakeside53
03-16-2012, 11:11 AM
I like the new PM color set and layout! Very easy on the eyes, and mine are almost as old as Jerry's.

Black_Moons
03-16-2012, 12:17 PM
All things google are VERY well blocked on my system, and I will not be seeing anything other then a 'broken link' icon should you add google ads. I refuse to put up with 20+ seconds load time where my browser is fully locked and unresponsive (IE8) just to see advertisements.

Please, Stick with ads from actual tool vendors, in gif format.

oldtiffie
03-16-2012, 01:04 PM
At some time this afternoon, or so Iím told, the BBS is going to look a little different. We are placing two links to our magazines in between the banner ads at the top of the page. We are also adding a Google ad banner on the left side of the page.

These new ads should not slow things down, but the page viewing area will be reduced as a result. Iím sure there will be plenty of grumbling over this.

However, the basics of the board will remain unchanged and any increase in income really is a good thing for the board and those who use it. We will be updating the software this year, something that may not have been possible without at least a little trickle of income to justify it. Having a quantifiable value is always a good thing in a for-profit company and these minor changes should help ensure a long life for the board.

I donít expect there to be any major disruptions during the work, but you never know; Iíll keep you posted should anything change.

George

Thanks for notice of the shut-down and up-grade George.

I realise that its company policy and I have had no complaints so far and don't expect to have any this time either.

philbur
03-16-2012, 02:22 PM
I bet the HSM and MW management team gave a big sigh of relief when they read that.:D

Phil:)


I am willing to accept a few more ads if that helps to keep the board going.

oldtiffie
03-16-2012, 06:25 PM
Quite well done.

I still have no concerns and don't expect to.

The day that a second or so here or there is cause for any let alone real concern will be the day I should consider giving it away or giving myself a good dressing down to (again!!).

I have an ADSL connection in Australia and it loads fast enough for me.

If it (or anything esle) is slow to download I have plenty of garbage on my desk that has needed attention (or tossing out) for quite a while.

flylo
03-16-2012, 06:37 PM
But my bithdays tommorrow. If you shut down how will everyone know where to send the check,cash & tools? Come on George why did you pick my birthday? :confused:

sasquatch
03-16-2012, 07:00 PM
Don't tell anyone, but we're ALL comming to your'e place for a surprise birthday party!!

oldtiffie
03-16-2012, 07:06 PM
You are all in for a big surprise if flylo (the birthday boy) turns up in his birthday suit - perhaps he will set the "tone"?? for the occassion.

And how will George Bulliss be dressed? After all he started this thread.

http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&sugexp=frgbld&gs_nf=1&cp=12&gs_id=1c&xhr=t&q=birthday+suit&pf=p&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=birthday+sui&aq=0&aqi=g4&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&gs_l=&pbx=1&rlz=1W1IRFC_enAU360&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=2b2c54ae93b0c47a&biw=1920&bih=785

flylo
03-16-2012, 07:28 PM
Maybe I can buy a goole ad of me in my birthday suit, probably would make the rethink the whole google idea.
And your all welcome anytime!

oldtiffie
03-16-2012, 07:32 PM
The mind boggles

oldtiffie
03-16-2012, 07:38 PM
I just realised that flylo's birthday is on Saint Patrick's Day.

That may well be quite a party!!

http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=saint+patrick's+day+2012&oq=saint+patrick&aq=0z&aqi=g-z1g3&aql=&gs_sm=1&gs_upl=3124l7948l0l13722l13l9l0l4l4l1l294l2488l2-9l13l0&gs_l=hp.1.0.0i3j0l3.3124l7948l0l13722l13l9l0l4l4l1 l294l2488l2-9l13l0.frgbld.&pbx=1&rlz=1W1IRFC_enAU360&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=2b2c54ae93b0c47a&biw=1920&bih=785

Mike Burdick
03-16-2012, 07:52 PM
For an example of what NOT to do, check the new Practical Machinist "updated version"....



When the Chaski forum went to the "new" thread type format everybody left it for PM. Wouldn't it be ironic if everybody went back to Chaski and left PM because of its new format. ;)

flylo
03-16-2012, 08:06 PM
I was in Ireland on my birthday in 2000 & loved it. But we celebrate it here more than there & the famous corned beef & cabbage which I love was no where to be found. We were sitting in a pub in Cong when an old fella sits down & starts talking. I couldn't understand a word but my wife could. He was telling us about him being in the movie "The Quiet Man" with John Wayne, one of my faverite movies. Great place. I want to go back. Wonder if we have any Irish members. I know we some close. Isn't it amazing we can all shoot the sh*t from all over the whole planet. Who'd a thunk it? Thanks George!

Arthur.Marks
03-16-2012, 11:17 PM
I just wanted to take a moment and thank those at Village Press for finding this forum a worthwhile endeavor. I love the magazines, but I would be simply lost on many an occasion without this forum. Thanks for your hard work, George!

flylo
03-17-2012, 12:06 AM
I just wanted to take a moment and thank those at Village Press for finding this forum a worthwhile endeavor. I love the magazines, but I would be simply lost on many an occasion without this forum. Thanks for your hard work, George!

+1 Thank all of you who make this possible & Happy St Patricks day! Let the party begin.:D :D :D

Euph0ny
03-17-2012, 06:21 PM
... Wonder if we have any Irish members...

We do. I am one. Happy Saint Patrick's Day!

Black_Moons
03-17-2012, 06:38 PM
Think you guys can do something about the general layout? I rather like the top bar with the controls and thread to be a little lower... Also those two narrow ads between the two wide ads looks really bad. Maybe put them on top above the control panel? And consider streching them out to equal the same width as the wider ads? Or find a 3rd narrow ad to stick next to them.

John Stevenson
03-17-2012, 07:38 PM
When the Chaski forum went to the "new" thread type format everybody left it for PM. Wouldn't it be ironic if everybody went back to Chaski and left PM because of its new format. ;)

Be interesting Don going head to head with 'Arold :D

oldtiffie
03-17-2012, 08:54 PM
If this thread gets too much closer to being a "PM-bashing" excercise, George Bulliss will close/lock it as he has done often enough (we were warned).

oldtiffie
03-17-2012, 08:56 PM
George.

The "search" function is part covered by the top advert and so cannot be used.

Please fix.

Edit;

now it works (again) but sometimes it doesn't.

Evan
03-17-2012, 09:07 PM
I don't see any difference.:)

lakeside53
03-17-2012, 09:31 PM
George.

The "search" function is part covered by the top advert and so cannot be used.

Please fix.

Edit;

now it works (again) but sometimes it doesn't.


Don't fix it. It's close to worthless anyhow!

sasquatch
03-17-2012, 09:33 PM
Only took me a bit to get used to the new page,, perfectly suitable in my opinion.

Your Old Dog
03-17-2012, 10:22 PM
Geo,
I'm on a photography forum that allows you to "thank" a poster for his post. It saves a lot of needless bantor just so someone can agree with someones answers. If that feature exist on your software you might take a look at it. It is well used on the forum I frequent. ( http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/ )

Thanks to Village Press for this great site and realistic moderation. It's a great place to hangout.

Evan
03-17-2012, 11:30 PM
I found a back door into the server and discovered a test account for the new forum software. Looks pretty good if you ask me.



http://ixian.ca/pics9/newsite.gif

dp
03-18-2012, 01:02 AM
Good one, Evan - that should wake up the troops here. :D

This is what I see with the full firewall configured, and without. The top of page section is very different. This also shows that sight-impaired visitors will hear two back to back DM logo link statements (the html image ALT text) from their page readers. That should probably be redone so it makes better audio sense. At a minimum they shouldn't be the same.

Firewalled version:
http://metalworkingathome.com/images/hsmWithFW.jpg

No Firewall version:
http://metalworkingathome.com/images/hsmNoFW.jpg

oldtiffie
03-18-2012, 02:04 AM
Originally Posted by oldtiffie

George.

The "search" function is part covered by the top advert and so cannot be used.

Please fix.

Edit;

now it works (again) but sometimes it doesn't.


Don't fix it. It's close to worthless anyhow!

Oh I dunno.

I've got used to it and I put my searches to suit the software (which has its limitations) and I seem to do well enough most times.

Your Old Dog
03-18-2012, 07:35 AM
I didn't want to say anything but I must have found a different back door. When I entered it was full of porn. It could be the most popular tool porn site on the web if they made it public :D

Black_Moons
03-18-2012, 07:41 AM
Good one, Evan - that should wake up the troops here. :D

This is what I see with the full firewall configured, and without. The top of page section is very different. This also shows that sight-impaired visitors will hear two back to back DM logo link statements (the html image ALT text) from their page readers. That should probably be redone so it makes better audio sense. At a minimum they shouldn't be the same.


When I say that HSM should only be using *LOCALY* hosted ads, I do rather mean it :) They are much harder to block then ones hosted ads.villagepress.com. Also helps if you declare a size for the ads in the html itself, And makes it so the page layout does not change as the page loads.
Athough I am suprised you block even the localy hosted images. Don't like the smileys?

dp
03-18-2012, 12:32 PM
Athough I am suprised you block even the localy hosted images. Don't like the smileys?

I block the java script and that blocks the ads. Actually, I just block URLs that contain "http*/ad/*" and "http*/ads/*" in them. Looks like VP does that. However - I subscribe to the magazine as a way to keep a clear conscience and I do buy from the advertisers as a preference.

Edit: BTW, this is what I get when I visit the Digital Machinist link:

Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'Exception' with message 'Cookies Fail' in /home/webmaster/common/lib/Vp/Cssm/Session/SaveHandler/Global.php:146 Stack trace: #0 /home/webmaster/common/lib/Vp/Cssm/Session/SaveHandler/Global.php(127): Vp_Cssm_Session_SaveHandler_Global->sanityCheck() #1 /home/webmaster/common/lib/Vp/Session/SaveHandler/Super.php(81): Vp_Cssm_Session_SaveHandler_Global->__construct(Array) #2 /home/webmaster/common/lib/Vp/Session/SaveHandler/Super.php(56): Vp_Session_SaveHandler_Super->constructSaveHandlers() #3 /home/webmaster/digitalmachinist.net/www/wroot/index.php(89): Vp_Session_SaveHandler_Super->__construct(Array, true) #4 {main} thrown in /home/webmaster/common/lib/Vp/Cssm/Session/SaveHandler/Global.php on line 146

The other link is a redirect to a blank page.

barts
03-18-2012, 01:12 PM
Some of the problems experienced with web page loading (particularly ads) can be resolved by using a better DNS server. Many of the ISPs don't seems to provide a high performance DNS service, and one sees significant delays while waiting for address resolution. I've used google's public DNS in the past to work around this; it's easy to remember: 8.8.8.8.

- Bart

dp
03-18-2012, 01:31 PM
I've used google's public DNS in the past to work around this; it's easy to remember: 8.8.8.8.

- Bart

The idea of giving Google even more information about my business/internet usage is a non-starter, and a lot more people are beginning to feel that way.

barts
03-18-2012, 02:00 PM
Sure... but if you don't use Tor or some other encrypted network, you're pretty much an open book anyway.

- Bart

Black_Moons
03-18-2012, 02:04 PM
Some of the problems experienced with web page loading (particularly ads) can be resolved by using a better DNS server. Many of the ISPs don't seems to provide a high performance DNS service, and one sees significant delays while waiting for address resolution. I've used google's public DNS in the past to work around this; it's easy to remember: 8.8.8.8.

- Bart

My problem is more the javascript/flash some (other websites) ads (Cough google ads cough) use that basicly deadlocks ie for 10~30 seconds every single page. That and google analytics and other scripts that are only designed to havest as much information as they can from my browser for no benifit to me whatsoever. Really makes me wonder what on earth they are harvesting that takes 10~30 seconds just for the dang script to run.

Only thing I have ever seen that takes that long to run is the java browser history harvesting exploits.

http://browserspy.dk/css-exploit.php
Heres a random example of one history harvest exploit, athough this one only detects certain websites and does not deadlock my browser for a long period of time, I have seen one that actualy could extract your history, athough it took a long time to do so.

Its getting to the point where I may go back to my old security settings of disabling java/activex/script/etc on all webpages by default and only allowing them on explicitly enabled websites (Youtube, web mail.. thats about it)

Evan
03-18-2012, 02:15 PM
About the only thing I like about satellite is that Google can't figure out where I am. For some reason they recently decided I must be in Alberta.

We just found out that that Shaw Cable is going to be wiring up our valley near the end of the year. Finally we will have real high speed internet. The base package is 30 megabits per second with a 200 gig cap per month. For $90 per month it also includes HDTV and a telephone.

dp
03-18-2012, 02:30 PM
Sure... but if you don't use Tor or some other encrypted network, you're pretty much an open book anyway.

- Bart

It's not nearly so bad for me as for some. My firewall includes a decent implementation of a proxy server for both security and performance, and any URL that contains "google" is denied. I can't google anything, can't see google maps or images, and certainly no google scripts. No downside to that but the upside is a really fast experience on the internet. I also run my own mail servers and to the extent that MTA partners allow it, all that traffic is encrypted. I rarely send mail to gmail accounts except to advise the recipient I won't send mail to gmail accounts. As an ISP I have greater control than would an end user though I do have to allow lower security for my customers who are less anal about it than I.

But now we've thoroughly hijacked George's thread so its back to topic time.