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JRouche
05-27-2012, 03:30 AM
I was talking with my son and he was saying this is the "best" game (video) ever. I kinda laughed and said you prolly mean its the best for the day or week. But it cant be the best for all of your life right? And he is 12 and said YES its the best ever.

So I tried to explain what "terminal" words are and how they dont really have ANY standing.

Terminal words like Best, Worst, Top and Bottom (and ALL the other words) dont really fit. They are used but useless.

So Ill fit it in here for the HSM. As we ALL know. You cant machine a part to the N'th number. Why? Well the dot on the end (I say end because there is always a front number, it might be ONE, but its always there, a negative number has to have a starting point and its always ONE) of the number is infinite.

You can say Im looking for a spec of .001 Not as simple as it seems either, to hold a spec of .001" for all of the dimensions is hard and not in the realm of most HSMs. Carry the dot further to .0001 and it gets really difficult. Go further... Yes, the number can get really large. Funny how a negative number can be large. .ooooo1" is a large number to work with but its very small in dimension.

My point I was trying to explain to my son is there are NO absolutes. There is no such thing as "best", "worst" "top" or "bottom" . Those are terminal words and there is no such thing as terminal in the real world. Well of course the physical laws as we know them, but I think in the next 1500 years even they will change as we understand them.

The words that end with "est" Best. worst, I say worest) largest, smallest, biggest, tightest, loosest, closest. The list gos on..... Many are "terminal" words and our kids might actually hold that to be true. But really there is NO end or best.

KIDS!!!! Try teaching your teenage kids. They think you are full of saw dust and wont hear any of it. In my case Jake is prolly better, I AM full of saw dust LOL JR

caveBob
05-27-2012, 03:46 AM
My point I was trying to explain to my son is there are NO absolutes.

Ya, but can you say that absolutely?... ;) :D

... I take your meaning though, just a quick flashback from when my son was a teen. Hey, it gets better...

winchman
05-27-2012, 04:34 AM
You can only do something the first time once. That's an absolute.

lynnl
05-27-2012, 10:29 AM
Are you saying then, that the Pacific is NOT the largest ocean on earth after all? ...or Mount Everest the highest mountain?

I'm not sure what you mean by "terminal words," is that different from the superlative form? e.g. from english class, we have the descriptive, comparative, and superlative. i.e. good, better, best.

vpt
05-27-2012, 10:30 AM
I bet the whole time your son was thinking "leave me alone, I want to play the best game ever!".

gnm109
05-27-2012, 11:38 AM
There are some absolutes. My last boss before I went self employed was the dumbest, most arrogant, most narcissistic fellow in the universe. :)

Lew Hartswick
05-27-2012, 12:14 PM
Certainly there are absolutes, "within a set". If there are a limited
number of items, then there is always a "best/largest/smallest/etc.
within the set. come on where did youall go to school? :-)
...lew...

vpt
05-27-2012, 12:21 PM
Whats the best mill to get?

atty
05-27-2012, 12:25 PM
Whats the best mill to get?


...the largest. :)

lynnl
05-27-2012, 12:30 PM
Certainly there are absolutes, "within a set". ...lew...

That was my point.

Normally when superlatives are used, qualifiers such as "known" are to be understood. e.g. "...the dumbest, most arrogant known man in the universe." :)

Oldbrock
05-27-2012, 12:37 PM
English proff stated that there was absolutely no language on earth where two positive terms result in a negative statement whereupon a wag in the back of the class replied with " Yeah, Right." Peter

madwilliamflint
05-27-2012, 12:41 PM
uhm... no.

"We may or may not be able to know as humans what the absolutes are (and if we do know, not be able to confirm.)"

is entirely orthogonal to whether or not such absolutes exist.

That's "all things that are yellow are bananas" logic.

Besides, a dimension that measures 0.053" in length is absolutely longer than 0.05 and absolutely shorter than 0.055.

Now, if you're going to say there's no such thing as "perfect exactitude" (for lack of a reasonable phrase, my brain being pre-caffeine at the moment), you have more of a point.

But "no absolutes"? Absolutely not.

Boucher
05-27-2012, 12:44 PM
prolly????

dp
05-27-2012, 01:58 PM
There are some absolutes. My last boss before I went self employed was the dumbest, most arrogant, most narcissistic fellow in the universe. :)


Are you saying that is not the case now that you are self-employed? :eek:

alanganes
05-27-2012, 02:27 PM
Well, there is "absolute zero"

flylo
05-27-2012, 04:16 PM
I see it differently. There are no gray area's, it's all black & white. No matter what people say it doesn't change the Truth & the Truth is Defininte & not what each person thinks it is. There is the biggest,longest,highest,etc at this moment. Things may change but I get tired of all the "gray area" the world is going to. Right, Wrong & Truth are DefinIte & it's a thin black line between them, not the mile wide gray area the world is accepting as truth.
I can't see air & can chose or not to believe in it but it doesn't change the fact that it's still there.

John Stevenson
05-27-2012, 04:20 PM
There are some absolutes. My last boss before I went self employed was the dumbest, most arrogant, most narcissistic fellow in the universe. :)




That's funny, so was mine after I went self employed :rolleyes:

gnm109
05-27-2012, 05:00 PM
Are you saying that is not the case now that you are self-employed? :eek:

I'll get back to you on this after some further thought. :D

oldtiffie
05-28-2012, 04:18 AM
What if your boss terminates you?

What if you medico tells you that you have a terminal illnees - and when you asked "Are you certain?" to which he replied "Certainly".

John Stevenson
05-28-2012, 04:33 AM
I was reminded of this thread at the weekend.
I went in to upgrade my phone and the very professional young lady looked the records up and said

"Your contract was for a Nokia X6 but you changed it to a Samsung? "

"Yes I found the X6 to be the most annoying phone I had owned"

"What did you do with the X6 ?"

"I gave it my son who's the most annoying person I know" :D

gnm109
05-28-2012, 07:17 AM
What if your boss terminates you?

What if you medico tells you that you have a terminal illnees - and when you asked "Are you certain?" to which he replied "Certainly".


OK, so you hear from your doctor that you have a terminal illness. Not being one to take such things lying down, you tell hin "I don't believe you. I want a second opinion".

Thr doctor says "Fine, you're ugly, too."

That's rather final, I'd say. :)

jocat54
05-28-2012, 11:58 PM
A couple of more absolutes--pay taxes and die.:D

Harvey Melvin Richards
05-29-2012, 10:56 AM
Best Thread Ever!!

A couple more terminal words. Electrocuted and drowned. I can't count the number of times someone has told me that they or someone still living was electrocuted or had drowned.