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mike4
06-10-2012, 02:38 AM
I recently went to reply to a question which someone posted in reply to a comment that I had made.
The thread was locked , maybe it was getting a few a bit hot under the collar or whatever.
From what I posted people will conclude that I have no time for certain subjects and will fire up and let whoever and what ever cop it .

I have no respect for a lot of the etiquette and formality that many take for granted , this can and does get me into hot water at times , so be it .

I am currently looking for boards and other sites which will allow heated discussion on any subject without intervention and will put any discussions pertaining to politics , royalty , and social decorum on those and attempt to keep any posts here limited to machining or other relative issues .

There is every possibility that they either dont exist or have already been closed down by those who think that it is their duty to protect the internet from free and open discussion on any subject.

This is in no way to be interpreted as an apology or otherwise for any comments made.

Michael

oldtiffie
06-10-2012, 03:06 AM
In many ways I agree with you Mike as the "thought police", wanabee "brain-washers" etc. are everywhere about.



But the role of the moderator is to keep a fair balance between not giving into vexatious complainants on the one hand and keeping a reasonable level of couth and decorum on the other with a good deal or fairness and open mindedness and at all times keeping the interests of his employer (Village Press) paramount.




I do admire how George carries out his role and task.

I don't think I'd want to know what he is asked and told to do "behind the scenes" - or how he responds either.

I will be interested to see how many replies you get regarding the other BBS's that suit your needs (or alternatively how many think you would suit them).

A.K. Boomer
06-10-2012, 03:40 AM
George rarely locks a good machining topic even if it gets a little heated ---

the OT's are just that -- their little "free-bee's" I think he allows because all machine talk would just plain get boring --- but - there still OT's ----

so it's his call when they go and I totally respect that ------- and many of them have a way of going south in a hurry...

I cannot believe the last one went as long as it did. we behaved pretty good for the most part...

if it was just left to be it would be a nasty free for all and allot of people would have hurt feelings and mushy stuff like that...

GB's doing a great job - and this is a place where even the moderators have a sense of humor... that's pretty cool.

Peter.
06-10-2012, 04:35 AM
I like not having to wade through miles of political/race/gun/porn posts.

There are places where it's encouraged, or not discouraged, and I'm pleased this isn't one of them.

John Stevenson
06-10-2012, 05:43 AM
You need the rec.crafts.metalworking newsgroup

It covers all the subjects you stated except metalwork :D

PTSideshow
06-10-2012, 06:36 AM
You need the rec.crafts.metalworking newsgroup

It covers all the subjects you stated except metalwork :D
http://www.studmonkeyracing.com/forums/smilies/clap.gif

There are to many on forums and the web that believe they are LEGENDS in their own MINDS. And things have to be their way ONLY.

There are plenty of forums and sites that will let members show off their stupidity if they care. As said I'm glad that this isn't one of them. Drama isn't needed here.

If you get 5 people together to talk shop stuff, You will end up with 8 ways of doing the same thing!;)

ikdor
06-10-2012, 07:56 AM
I actually enjoy forums far more when people try to argue in a polite fashion. One mentally ill person can singlehandedly destroy a forum by chasing the knowledgeable people away.

But I think there is a forum for you:
http://boards.4chan.org/b/

It's full of mentally deranged and/or juveniles, so you can blow of steam there :D

Igor

alanganes
06-10-2012, 08:09 AM
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=unmoderated+forums

tumutbound
06-10-2012, 08:10 AM
You need the rec.crafts.metalworking newsgroup

It covers all the subjects you stated except metalwork :D


Do they still make newsgroups? Thought they'd long gone.

Highpower
06-10-2012, 08:25 AM
Create your own forum. Problem solved.

justanengineer
06-10-2012, 08:42 AM
I am currently looking for boards and other sites which will allow heated discussion on any subject without intervention and will put any discussions pertaining to politics , royalty , and social decorum on those and attempt to keep any posts here limited to machining or other relative issues .


Good luck with the porn spam bots.

Keep up the good work George. I too am glad I dont have to wade through piles of bs to find a shop thread.

sasquatch
06-10-2012, 08:44 AM
I always enjoy this site, lots of talent, and lots to learn here.

Some of the topics can get dragged on, which gets kind of tiring, but that,s pretty minimal in my opinion.

Some great Banter here at times and some great humor.

Grind Hard
06-10-2012, 09:30 AM
Join Practical Machinist.

With few exceptions that forum is not worth the time and effort to post there.

I had a really bad experience there as did my brother... on two different topics.

In many regards the owner of THAT forum is George's mirror image: He allowed the personal attacks to continued and even participated.

Anyway, personalitywise, the OP may fit in there better than he does here. Good luck hope you find a "home" on the internet. :)

Mcgyver
06-10-2012, 09:40 AM
the problem with looking for a heated discussion is that its usually surrounded by participants ignorant on the subject. A discussion of experts in an area tends to be calm as much less is contentious. My guess is the locked thread wasn't necessarily too high heat, but it was getting there, was off topic, going nowhere and wouldn't get any better

PM has a section for you if you want high heat...or you could start your own

George is doing a fine job fine job of letting things go until it's potentially detrimental to his mandate; making it an inviting place for people interested in metal working

Abner
06-10-2012, 10:05 AM
IMHO - This is one of the best moderated sites I read.
If you are referring to the Queen OT then I must say have you had a look at Kate and Pippa? Are you daft man? Who cares? You can take Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi and I will take those sisters. Talk about easy on the eyes, man that is nice stuff there. You might get screwed by either bunch but only one makes me smile lustfully. I would put up with the whats his goofs - charles and william to see those girls pictures on my newspaper every morning.

loose nut
06-10-2012, 10:23 AM
Sorry your not happy here. George does a good job and considering it is probably not payed and mostly a thankless chore, we should be glad he does it.

Don't let the door slam you in the ass on the way out.

wierdscience
06-10-2012, 10:34 AM
Good luck with the porn spam bots.



I thought this was a Porn site:D

firbikrhd1
06-10-2012, 10:41 AM
It always bugs me a little when I see OT posts and I cringe when posters begin to insult each other, even if only through innuendo. I'm glad that OT posts are allowed as several have given me good insight into subjects I enjoy learning about. All and all I prefer it if the Forum remains largely machining/metalworking related.
George does a great job of allowing things to move along at their own pace and, from what I've seen, only steps in when things get too personal or too far off topic. It has to be a difficult balancing job for George. If things are policed too much some will lose interest and move on, if not enough, if things are allowed to go on unfettered by anyone they undoubtedly will descend into personal attacks and stray so far off topic that the forum would no longer be related to HSM. To add to that, personal attacks would drive away some people with good insight into the various questions asked here.

KiddZimaHater
06-10-2012, 10:57 AM
I think George does a great job moderating this forum.
He allows a few "OT" topics, but occasionally the amount of "OT" topics gets way outta hand (in my opinion).
This forum is for HOME MACHINING. not Politics, Religion, Sex, or other nonsense.
I never post in those type of threads, because I'll hurt someones feelings, and it'll become a war of words.
Please stick to Machining related topics, and leave the "OT" crap for other forums.
My 2 cents

John Stevenson
06-10-2012, 01:52 PM
I kinda like the balance as it is at the moment.
Someone. can't remember who, once said it's like all meeting up in a pub swapping lies, it always veers off machining into general subjects but all the people still share this same interest.

Now who wants to know about my new lawnmower ? :p

A.K. Boomer
06-10-2012, 02:18 PM
There's also that saying

"Don't let the exit button break your pinky nail on the way out"

Another words the option is completely yours at any given time - so why whine about it and try to make everybody else as miserable as you... just move on.

Arcane
06-10-2012, 02:35 PM
I actually enjoy forums far more when people try to argue in a polite fashion. One mentally ill person can singlehandedly destroy a forum by chasing the knowledgeable people away.

But I think there is a forum for you:
http://boards.4chan.org/diy/ (http://boards.4chan.org/b/)

It's full of mentally deranged and/or juveniles, so you can blow of steam there :D

Igor

You sure weren't kidding about that! One of the very first posts there had this little gem... :eek:
I broke the hatch glass on my mad max'd Scion tC. I want to replace it with bulletproof metal, with a sort of tank-style hatch that someone can shoot out of from the trunk.

ikdor
06-10-2012, 03:03 PM
I tried to edit the link to http://boards.4chan.org/b/
but failed earlier. I corrected it later, but the /b forum is where all the real whacko's hang out.......

Igor

xalky
06-10-2012, 03:17 PM
I prefer civil discussion over argumentative "know it all" BS. This is great place full of knowledgeable and helpful people. The animals can go find a mosh pit somewhere else as far as I'm concerned.

John Stevenson
06-10-2012, 03:49 PM
It's a nice lawn mower................honest.

A.K. Boomer
06-10-2012, 03:53 PM
Alright SJ, lets see a pic and tell us all about it:rolleyes:

Carld
06-10-2012, 03:56 PM
Is it a rider or push mower John? As to the quote, I'm always saying forums are like a coffee shop, lots of discussion and very little work but it's fun to talk, piss on arguing.

mike4
06-10-2012, 07:25 PM
Join Practical Machinist.

With few exceptions that forum is not worth the time and effort to post there.

I had a really bad experience there as did my brother... on two different topics.

In many regards the owner of THAT forum is George's mirror image: He allowed the personal attacks to continued and even participated.

Anyway, personalitywise, the OP may fit in there better than he does here. Good luck hope you find a "home" on the internet. :)

I have never had a problem either posting or otherwise on the PM site , they are practical and call a spade a spade , no speaking about you behind your back .
I personally think that George does a very good job and its possibly a thankless position at times .I was not trying to have a go at any moderation or moderators, just the inability to express a different opinion on a subject without being told how to speak .
And that doesnt only apply to the subject of the locked thread.

As for the forums mentioned as alternatives , they can be very humourous and break the monotony of the daily grind of earning a living .

I cant see how anyone is mentally deranged for having a different opinion and a different approach to the "higher" end of society , as I have said previously we are all equals in that area, no distinctions.

I dont have any problems with the tracking cookies and phising bots which are often encountered when either accidently or purposely visiting other sites .
"Heated discussion or personal attacks ", that is common place in many areas of daily life, often can almost escalate to physical attacks , I just deal with it when and if it happens and as someone said move on .
I like maching discussions as much as everyone else but some have gotten to the point of nit picking or snobbery.

What is so wrong with posts like the chap who made some gears and used his skill to attempt to make something that many would not.
He didnt brag ,just did it and very well .

I think that i couldnt be bothered with posting comments on OT subjects anymore as I didnt beleive that there were so many people who gave even passing glances to the Royal family and the associated pomp and ceremony.

I will still read posts here but may cut back in the posts as I am not part of the "accepted " crew.
Michael

mike4
06-10-2012, 07:29 PM
I kinda like the balance as it is at the moment.
Someone. can't remember who, once said it's like all meeting up in a pub swapping lies, it always veers off machining into general subjects but all the people still share this same interest.

Now who wants to know about my new lawnmower ? :p
As someone has already said " lets see some pics", does it require any modifications , possible maching content ?
Michael

kc5ezc
06-10-2012, 07:42 PM
John: I'll listen to you tell about your new lawn mower if you will listen to me tell about mine.

Rosco-P
06-10-2012, 07:47 PM
I am currently looking for boards and other sites which will allow heated discussion on any subject without intervention and will put any discussions pertaining to politics , royalty , and social decorum on those and attempt to keep any posts here limited to machining or other relative issues .

Michael

Looking for a board which allows freedom of thought and expression? Forget about Chaski.

flylo
06-10-2012, 08:12 PM
"Frankly my dear I don't give a damn". Good Luck & Goodbye! :D



I recently went to reply to a question which someone posted in reply to a comment that I had made.
The thread was locked , maybe it was getting a few a bit hot under the collar or whatever.
From what I posted people will conclude that I have no time for certain subjects and will fire up and let whoever and what ever cop it .

I have no respect for a lot of the etiquette and formality that many take for granted , this can and does get me into hot water at times , so be it .

I am currently looking for boards and other sites which will allow heated discussion on any subject without intervention and will put any discussions pertaining to politics , royalty , and social decorum on those and attempt to keep any posts here limited to machining or other relative issues .

There is every possibility that they either dont exist or have already been closed down by those who think that it is their duty to protect the internet from free and open discussion on any subject.

This is in no way to be interpreted as an apology or otherwise for any comments made.

Michael

Mcgyver
06-10-2012, 09:06 PM
"Frankly my dear I don't give a damn". Good Luck & Goodbye! :D

no kidding....wtf was the point of this thread? you can't find, and you're looking for, forums that are rough and tumble enough for you?

mike4
06-10-2012, 09:20 PM
I just logged on to PM and the rules are very similar to here , I have been a member of PM for a while and while there are some differences of opinion between members , it is mostly in the open .

I became a member of both because I use my tools and machines to earn a living , have to deal with narrow minded hypocrits on a daily basis .and often get blasted by customers or give it to them if needed, I dont take crap from anyone.

I do however like to participate in discussions which can become quite heated to the point of people walking out and not talking to each other for quite some time if ever, not loosing any sleep over that.

The one thing that riles me is the idea of people thinking that if you speak out about something then you have to be put in your place ??, what gives anyone the right to that attitude ?.

Yes this is a Homeshop Machinists Board , with members from all walks of life including business operators or have I got wrong also?

Many here seem to get their feathers ruffled if anyone dares to be different, and heaven forbid , does things differently without using a surface plate or a sine bar and other equipment which many consider "necessary" to work to aerospace tolerances for run of the mill work , as quite often the "rough " repairs which are done in the field in often less than appropriate conditions are as good or better than the factory originals as we have been made privy to the mods required to keep the machines operational .

I admire the work that most here can produce with skills either taught through a trade or self taught , but I am really turned off by the petty remarks and other actions which only serve to remind me that the "upper class " are deperate to retain their "position" or what ever BS they beleive in .
Along with those who are "upholding the socially acceptable standards" ,equally BS.

I beleive in each to his /her own as long as no one is physically hurt , the other well harden up and take it . Thats life!

End of blast and end of subject.
Michael

danlb
06-10-2012, 09:23 PM
John: I'll listen to you tell about your new lawn mower if you will listen to me tell about mine.

I'll tell about mine. No machining content.

My lawn mower is named Jim. He comes by once a week. I'm never here so I have no idea what brands he uses, nor how he manages to cut the edges of the lawn crooked in a different way each time.


On topic... I like to have civil discussions. I appreciate the work George does. It's a good board. And no one has ever chastised me for voicing a contrary opinion about a shop related topic. Maybe that's the difference? Keep it on topic and you can be as contrary as you wish?


Dan

dp
06-10-2012, 09:56 PM
I beleive in each to his /her own as long as no one is physically hurt , the other well harden up and take it . Thats life!

I think nobody cares what you think so long as you don't create a dust up over being individualistic and free-spirited. A number of people have been shown the door here for being too quick to bicker. That's probably a good think. There are a lot of independent thinkers on the forum who have learned the value of common sense diplomacy, and the place is better off for it. That's life with personal growth added.

oldtiffie
06-10-2012, 10:59 PM
Well Mie you've stirred a bit of a hornets nest here - again? - intentional or not?

I'm surprised that having got this far that you haven't been accuses of being a troll - at least once.

And for the record, I sure don't think you are a troll.

But you sure did stir some dust up here - nearly as bad as being in the tail end of the Finke Desert run recently?

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&gl=au&tbm=nws&q=finke+desert+&oq=finke+desert+&aq=f&aqi=d2&aql=&gs_l=news-cc.12..43j43i400.20803.26731.0.32199.13.3.0.10.10. 0.246.553.1j0j2.3.0...0.0.q-lARTliU-c

A.K. Boomer
06-10-2012, 11:31 PM
is anyone else getting a mixed message in all this - or is it just me again:confused:

J Tiers
06-11-2012, 12:10 AM
is anyone else getting a mixed message in all this - or is it just me again:confused:

You have company... I just read all this nonsense, and I still don't understand the point that the OP might be making.

All I get is that this board is too heavily moderated for his taste.

And all I can say is that if THIS is "heavy moderation", then I know of some others where I am a member that the OP would say are run by "thought police"...... Except that I don't have that opinion of them.

I think it is a good balance here..... Nobody is forcing the OP to post here, or "only" here..... there are plenty of other BBS that are more "open".

May I suggest one of the tractor forums? I used to know of some that were pretty much about everything except tractors..... and quite "lively" in the way the OP would apparently love.

mike4
06-11-2012, 12:48 AM
You have company... I just read all this nonsense, and I still don't understand the point that the OP might be making.

All I get is that this board is too heavily moderated for his taste.

And all I can say is that if THIS is "heavy moderation", then I know of some others where I am a member that the OP would say are run by "thought police"...... Except that I don't have that opinion of them.

I think it is a good balance here..... Nobody is forcing the OP to post here, or "only" here..... there are plenty of other BBS that are more "open".

May I suggest one of the tractor forums? I used to know of some that were pretty much about everything except tractors..... and quite "lively" in the way the OP would apparently love.

I never said that the moderation was heavy handed in fact I said that George did a good job even if it was thankless at times, what I was upset by was the attitude to comments made in another post and the fact that as far as I am concerned we are entitled to have and post differing opinions on the subject of the post in question..
If people choose to interpret what I say in a different way then there will always be problems.
I dont hide my feelings nor do I wish to be seen as someone who wants to control anything other than their own business.

I have actually looked at some of the forums which members have suggested and they are interesting and if you care to spend time digging you can find interesting posts on almost any subject as well as what the forums title suggests, yes some get a bit firey and personal , but I dont find that offensive or offputting in any way, it closely resembles daily life .

You meet all sorts of people ,some who will be firey and tell you where to go and what to do on the way , (who often do become quite good friends )and the prim and proper ones who go out of their way to stab you in the back even if you bent over backwards to help them.

I would rather work with a group of bikers than some of the so called normal types ,as the bikers will appreciate the work and pay ,often ends up with a hangover next day.
Michael

J Tiers
06-11-2012, 12:54 AM
Stupid duplicate deleted

J Tiers
06-11-2012, 12:57 AM
OK, I have no clue which thread you refer to..... must have been the one about teh queen..... Having no interest whatever in the hereditary 1%*, I never even looked at that thread, but saw most others..... so by elimination, that's it.

Bikers are OK..... so long as they are reasonably stable ones..... There's some who I wouldn't say are OK... they are so "off" that they turn on their friends and are regarded as unpredictable and unreliable even in hard core biker circles.....

*Especially don't like that particular bunch for what they did to my ancestors..... of course another lot of ancestors took it out of them good and proper, so it may be a wash..... but that last lot were longer ago, and it wore off.

beanbag
06-11-2012, 01:35 AM
Many here seem to get their feathers ruffled if anyone dares to be different, and heaven forbid , does things differently without using a surface plate or a sine bar and other equipment which many consider "necessary" to work to aerospace tolerances for run of the mill work , as quite often the "rough " repairs which are done in the field in often less than appropriate conditions are as good or better than the factory originals as we have been made privy to the mods required to keep the machines operational .


I dun get it. You want to do something in an unorthodox way. Then you get annoyed when somebody tells you the orthodox way of doing it. Aren't they just giving you a differing opinion, which is what you wanted? Why not just view it as a helpful suggestion? No need to be orthodox in your unorthodoxy, LOL.

mike4
06-11-2012, 01:43 AM
I dun get it. You want to do something in an unorthodox way. Then you get annoyed when somebody tells you the orthodox way of doing it. Aren't they just giving you a differing opinion, which is what you wanted? Why not just view it as a helpful suggestion? No need to be orthodox in your unorthodoxy, LOL.

Beanbag,
I used that as an example of how some here get into a poster if they do not do things the "correct" way .
I have never had any need for a surface plate as its a bit hard to lug a machine back to the shop and try to get it up onto a plate just to see if the hole is square to the arm it was just drilled into or whatever.

My beef is with the way people interpret what I post about some subjects and the way that they do not reply directly to me or whoever posted the remark which got up their nose.
Its not hard to send a PM ,to avert a blowup.
I always speak directly to someone ,never use anyone else to do the deed.
Michael

uncle pete
06-11-2012, 02:18 AM
????? Mike,
Okay I'm not all that articulate either, So sometimes what I'm trying to explain doesn't come across all that well or can be misunderstood, I can relate to that. But if I read what your actual points are correctly? It seems you want people or a forum where the members are going to be more argumentive and willing to express what they really think. But from what you've said, That's what you don't like here.

I dunno, Forums are just like any public place. If we posted what we really thought every single time, George would probably ban all of us. And you sure as hell can't and have never been able to do so in any public gathering place throughout recorded history after the invention of the spoken word, Not if you wanted to keep living anyway.

I think machining attracts the same types. Were all thinkers and have our own way of doing anything and would have strong opinions for exactly why we do so. But I fail to see any form of elitisum or upperclass on this forum. So somebody works or uses tooling beyond whats needed. That's a big deal? I've got to think an attraction of even having a shop is so you can do things your own way and to hell what any other bastard thinks.

Obviously I'm reading your post wrong and I'm just not understanding the point. Because right now what your saying your looking for seems to me the one item your pissed about.

Pete

dp
06-11-2012, 02:33 AM
I would rather work with a group of bikers than some of the so called normal types ,as the bikers will appreciate the work and pay ,often ends up with a hangover next day.
Michael

I'm a biker - I even have a biker website: http://TheVirtualBarAndGrill.com/

And I'm pretty normal. Had plenty of hangovers, too :)

mike4
06-11-2012, 02:57 AM
Uncle Pete,
Maybe what I said or tried to say hasn't come across clearly , however I don't go to any public meetings or such anymore as I am too politically incorrect.
I am self employed and work alone most times , prefer that as theres no one to try to correct what you might say.
I like how most people on this forum and others are , approachable and will speak to you as an equal, that how I take them anyway.

But what set me off was the behind the scenes things that appear to have happened , I would rather have got a PM or direct "shut up "from anyone who may have been upset by my remarks.
Thanks
Michael

uncle pete
06-11-2012, 03:12 AM
Mike,
Well I can more than relate to not being poliitically correct. My youngest step daughter once said I was a combination of Archie Bunker, Al Bundy, and Homer Simpson. I thought it was a fantastic compliment. And as one of my teachers said in a report card. "Does not play well with others" is still true 50 years later.

But since I don't know exactly what happened, "Behind the scenes", I can't really comment. Personaly I wouldn't sweat an issue like that. Not on this forum. There will be better and worse to come.

Pete

oldtiffie
06-11-2012, 03:18 AM
Originally Posted by mike4

I beleive in each to his /her own as long as no one is physically hurt , the other well harden up and take it . Thats life!


I think nobody cares what you think so long as you don't create a dust up over being individualistic and free-spirited. A number of people have been shown the door here for being too quick to bicker. That's probably a good think. There are a lot of independent thinkers on the forum who have learned the value of common sense diplomacy, and the place is better off for it. That's life with personal growth added.

Dennis,

if I recall correctly, if you didn't like someone and/or what they said or what they said that offended you, you made use of the "byte/bit bucket" (aka "ignore" setting) and made it plain to the "offender/s" that you had because they had incurred your displeasure - as is/was you right.

There are other options for any who might not like what another has said or says and that's to either ignore their posts, or simply don't get upset.

There are some things said here that I might not like (as opposed to disagree with) but for quite along time now I have my "do not get up-set button" permanently "ON".

There is very little that's of benefit in getting up-set but I must say that I do use the "upset" tool as a deliberate ploy to deliberately up-set others to throw them off balance and leave them more vulnerable than they might otherwise be.

Its the nature of many forums that there will be a bit of "to and from" and "rough and tumble" where some noses might be bent and egos deflated.

John Stevenson
06-11-2012, 03:54 AM
And I'm pretty normal. Had plenty of hangovers, too :)

Can I borrow an R8 one please ?:)

malbenbut
06-11-2012, 06:16 AM
I'm at sea level.

MBB

Woops I need new specs, I thought it said altitude

PTSideshow
06-11-2012, 06:59 AM
Yes this is a Homeshop Machinists Board , with members from all walks of life including business operators or have I got wrong also?
It is a family forum/board to go with their magazines in the homeshop/live steam HOBBY area. They also have other magazines on dogs and planes. village press magazine store (https://secure.villagepress.com/store) Since the company dictates what they want their web presence to be. And they are paying for it.

There was a real jerk on here a couple years ago. We had a mutual friend in common, which he didn't know. In real life I understand he was a very nice guy. But get him in front of a keyboard, and he became a cyberbully, idiot, neanderthal.

If his wife knew he was acting like he was, she would have pulled his plug! The good family man/church going midwesterner he was :rolleyes: This was shortly after George took over. And after the nasty picture incident, he was banned for life. Both him and his henchman since he had a side kick, who would poke the dog, and stir it when needed.
Everybody was glad to see him gone.

There have been a number of people on this and other forums, that don't want the drama some members have a need to dish out. There is one guy who is an excellent machinist, but he just can't help himself. No matter how many chances he was given, warnings he would attack new to the hobby people.

He also didn't understand that the are differences in the rules,codes, laws here in the US and his home country!

He also expected that when he posted to a thread that, it would be the last answer anybody would need on the subject.
Yes there are any number of members here that make a living or own commercial shops on this forum.

But it is a HOBBYIST HOME SHOP FORUM! We have had teenagers, women as members. The few that tried taking part, where given a hard time by few jerks. Most no longer take part in open forum.
How do I know, because some have contacted me off forum or at the N.A.M.E.S. expo.
:D

PTSideshow
06-11-2012, 07:05 AM
Sir John, here is my low serial number collectors lawnmower.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/ptsideshow/Tractors%20power%20equipment/DSCF9020.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/ptsideshow/Tractors%20power%20equipment/DSCF9514.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/ptsideshow/Tractors%20power%20equipment/DSCF9578.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/ptsideshow/Tractors%20power%20equipment/DSCF9579.jpg
The favorite frame for the lawnmower racing set here in the states.

Mcgyver
06-11-2012, 07:25 AM
I never said that the moderation was heavy handed in fact I said that George did a good job even if it was thankless at times, what I was upset by was the attitude to comments made in another post and the fact that as far as I am concerned we are entitled to have and post differing opinions on the subject of the post in question..
If people choose to interpret what I say in a different way then there will always be problems.

this is vapor....how's anyone supposed to know what you're talking about when its all so vague...how do you not think you're not entitle to post your opinion? you haven't been banned or anything....or do you not think others also should not be able to post their opinions? This is just shadow boxing though without knowing what you're talking about


My beef is with the way people interpret what I post about some subjects and the way that they do not reply directly to me or whoever posted the remark which got up their nose.


there was one on here awhile ago that did that, you'd get all this nasty innuendo and general editorials about what bad sorts 'some people' were but you were never quite sure if it was directed at you or not. A cowardly and offensive way of communicating imo. But at the end of the day, if you are frustrated with how you're being interpreted, you have to change how you're communicating....you own that not the reader you think has got it wrong.



I always speak directly to someone ,never use anyone else to do the deed.
Michael

so do so, speak directly. I still haven't a clue what the issue is and this now 6 pages

Mcgyver
06-11-2012, 07:27 AM
Glen, two questions

1) people collect lawnmowers? :D
2) who was that banned bandit....I'm tyring to remember....first initial hint?

catman81056
06-11-2012, 08:08 AM
Not exactly a "lawn mower" and don't really collect, but I love my horse's
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/catman60957/th_DSCF0630.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v290/catman60957/?action=view&current=DSCF0630.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/catman60957/th_DSCF0718.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v290/catman60957/?action=view&current=DSCF0718.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/catman60957/th_DSCF0593.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v290/catman60957/?action=view&current=DSCF0593.jpg)

PTSideshow
06-11-2012, 08:26 AM
Glen, two questions

1) people collect lawnmowers? :D
2) who was that banned bandit....I'm tyring to remember....first initial hint?
answer to your first question yes not me, as both came in cleaning up a shed on an uncles property, it runs well and is a spare. The tractor is very popular. Has it own news group, This is the brand that had a Richard Petty version in his day. Rugg mowers group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RuggMowers/)

mowers,garden tractors, chainsaws, any vintage type power equipment
vintage mowers and etc. (http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=28)

Answer to #2 was eyesomething :rolleyes:

George Bulliss
06-11-2012, 08:30 AM
Wow, that was a long one; glad I read the B-29 thread first for some balance.

Due to the rambling nature of this thread, Iím not sure if I can answer the OP directly but Iíll give it a shot.

The first thing to remember when a thread you are participating in is locked is that itís the thread that gets locked, not you. Donít take it personally. In the case of this thread, it had run plenty long enough.

I donít have time to PM participants in locked threads to explain my actions and wonít start. If you are doing something wrong, I do typically PM in order to work something out. If you donít hear from me, donít sweat it.

Locking a thread cuts off the conversation and there is no way around that. If I waited for everyone to get their last words in, threads would never close. Again, donít take it personally.

I think that covers it, but to be sure, Iím tossing in some lawn mower stuff. First, I hate the things and only maintain enough of a lawn to keep the drain field clear and give the kids a little room to play.

Because of my extreme dislike for all things lawn, I refuse to spend more than $30 on a mower but have had pretty good luck. My latest is a great big thing, I think 6-1/2 hp with a wide cut and power drive. I was pretty happy to get it for free and gave away the old one. It does a great job, but I discovered too late that the added size and weight is more than my son can safely handle on our hilly lawn, so Iím stuck doing it myself one more year! Will start the kid on a weight lifting program for next spring.

George