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Alistair Hosie
06-15-2012, 04:36 PM
This reminds me of a very popular (American Loved) lathe in appearance at least .Yet it is not making any money for what is a really nice lathe.Unless of course I am mistaken.Tell me what you think please.Alistair





http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330746350304?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Ries
06-15-2012, 04:44 PM
Yes, it looks a lot like a monarch 10EE. And I have heard they are quite good lathes.
As for why it is selling so cheaply, well, thats simple- Brits are Cheap.

Alistair Hosie
06-15-2012, 05:05 PM
When you say Brits of course your referring to good old England god shave her and her ma-chesty:DAlistair

jep24601
06-15-2012, 05:08 PM
Actually hardly anyone bids on anything until the last 10 seconds on English Ebay. When you think about it, that's the only intelligent way.

willmac
06-15-2012, 05:18 PM
I would argue that it is a more practical proposition than a 10EE. Nice simple electrics, no valves or drawers full of wiring (TM) needed.

darryl
06-15-2012, 05:47 PM
That's one massive looking machine for the relatively short bed. Probably cost more to transport it than buy it.

aboard_epsilon
06-15-2012, 05:47 PM
it will go up in price now ..now that youve told everybody about it !

the bidders ,,,if they are members here, and see this thread, will be cursing now

all the best..markj

flylo
06-15-2012, 06:12 PM
It will bring more. I bid 1 time at 3 seconds & some I win, some I don't. I do love to snipe though.

garyphansen
06-15-2012, 07:00 PM
Did CVA make exact copies of the 10ee?

willmac
06-15-2012, 07:11 PM
Not exact copies. They didn't use complex electrical drives (except perhaps in very late models). Otherwise they were very close to 10EE design. See http://www.lathes.co.uk/cva/index.html for details.

huntinguy
06-15-2012, 09:23 PM
It is probably set up to only work in metric. Who has any use for that? ;)

rohart
06-15-2012, 10:12 PM
Because it won't do 19 TPI ?

lakeside53
06-15-2012, 10:19 PM
That's one massive looking machine for the relatively short bed. Probably cost more to transport it than buy it.


Looks are deceiving. It's only 23cwt - 2576lbs...

gnm109
06-15-2012, 11:16 PM
That lathe is probably not bringing much because (1) it isn't a Monarch 10EE and (2) It's about a 12+ swing, and rather short (20 between centers) being basically the same dimensions as the Monarch. Not everone wants a short bed lathe, ever considering the good quality.

That said, I wouldn't mind having one myself.

Paul Alciatore
06-16-2012, 01:23 AM
It looks like a nice machine and the price is probably a good starting point. I think that gnm109 probably nailed the main drawback, the short bed. The location is fairly close to London so picking it up is a possibility for a good many potential buyers. Unless there is something about England that I don't know. I do admit that I have never been there.

I would bet there will be a bunch of bids in the last 10 seconds. The final price may surprise you.

hal9000
06-16-2012, 01:44 AM
Snipers waiting in the wings I'm sure....

John Stevenson
06-16-2012, 05:07 AM
I'll bet it will go for about 900.
They are an imperial machine, metric is via another complete set of change gears.
This is a very early machine with 20 " bed. Monarchs has 24" bed and rare one 30".
All the later CVA's were 30" as standard.

One thing in this lathes favour is that it's been converted to single phase.

Frank46
06-16-2012, 05:37 AM
And a #2 morse taper in the headstock. Frank

John Stevenson
06-16-2012, 05:55 AM
And a #2 morse taper in the headstock. Frank

Once the adaptor is fitted, the spindle takes a 5C collet closer.

philbur
06-16-2012, 06:35 AM
I thought a serious, compact lathe was what every HSM'er dreams about?

Phil:)

lazlo
06-16-2012, 12:02 PM
why is it not making more money??

Because the auction isn't over? :p

Edit: 875.33 after Alistair advertised for them :D

Alistair Hosie
06-16-2012, 02:37 PM
Maybe I should get a commision:D
I seriously doubt I had any effect despite marks paranoid but humerous remarks .
look the good people here have a right to share in good deals maybe some feel they don't but I do.
I am not going to open up that old lemeon it was not sold to anyone here was it if so I will eat humble pie and of course mark was not interested was he I he says so I will let him eat his shorts.I don't wear them under my kilt:D Alistair

lazlo
06-16-2012, 03:33 PM
Maybe I should get a commision:D
I seriously doubt I had any effect despite marks paranoid but humerous remarks .

That's true Alistair -- posting an active auction for a lathe that's highly desirable for a home shop on the Home Shop Machinist forum couldn't possibly affect its price :p

I think you're secretly a UK machine dealer :D

philbur
06-16-2012, 03:57 PM
Or for 800 quid the buyer could have had one of these, but why would he.:confused: Note the stand is optional.:(

http://www.chesteruk.net/products/detail/8

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x36/philbur/10-DB8VS-LATHE.jpg

Phil:)

John Stevenson
06-16-2012, 04:00 PM
Because the auction isn't over? :p

Edit: 875.33 after Alistair advertised for them :D

see post #17

Only 24.77 pence out.

lazlo
06-16-2012, 04:02 PM
see post #17

Only 24.77 pence out.

You just bought it to prove you're right :p

philbur
06-16-2012, 04:03 PM
Almost to good to be believable:cool:

Phil:)


see post #17

Only 24.77 pence out.

aboard_epsilon
06-16-2012, 04:42 PM
see post #17

Only 24.77 pence out.

bloody poor guy was reading this forum, thats why, ..and thought to himself ..thats my top line, if the earl of sudspumpwater thinks so, i do .

all the best.markj

lakeside53
06-16-2012, 05:03 PM
Hmmm... me thinks Sir John AND Markj are cunning shills for the auction...;)

Nice work!

John Stevenson
06-16-2012, 06:09 PM
Believe it or not 900 to 1200 is the going price for a CVA here.

Don't ask me why, that's all they make. Now if it was a clapped out Colchester with noisy gearbox and an apron full of rusty gears it would make 2500.

It's all in a name like Myford, Bridgeport, Colchester.

flylo
06-16-2012, 06:23 PM
Maybe I should get a commision:D
I seriously doubt I had any effect despite marks paranoid but humerous remarks .
look the good people here have a right to share in good deals maybe some feel they don't but I do.
I am not going to open up that old lemeon it was not sold to anyone here was it if so I will eat humble pie and of course mark was not interested was he I he says so I will let him eat his shorts.I don't wear them under my kilt:D Alistair


Alistair, I bought it! After you said I really didn't Suck I knew you wouldn't mind fetching it, packing & shipping for me. Oh yea I don't trade euros, pounds & quid, you don't mind paying for it to do you? Internationinal Junk buyer has a much nicer ring, don't you think? I'll just have the Nigerian heir to the throne send you the money he promised. Thanks again!

Mark McGrath
06-16-2012, 07:04 PM
see post #17

Only 24.77 pence out.

24.67 out.

Peter.
06-16-2012, 07:08 PM
If I had seen this thread earlier I would be the owner right now, and I could have sold my Denford for at least that much too. To make matters worse I've been working in Oxford and driving right past it to work every day with a fully capable van.

Wish I hadn't see this now :(

John Stevenson
06-16-2012, 07:17 PM
24.67 out.

Bloody tight wad Scots, Ok I'll put the 10p in the post - no stamp mind you.

Timleech
06-16-2012, 08:02 PM
Believe it or not 900 to 1200 is the going price for a CVA here.

Don't ask me why, that's all they make. Now if it was a clapped out Colchester with noisy gearbox and an apron full of rusty gears it would make 2500.

It's all in a name like Myford, Bridgeport, Colchester.

Agreed that CVA don't seem to have the market appeal that Monarch seem to have in the US.

I'm actually quite surprised it fetched as much as it did, 64 years old, 20" between centres, accessories out of the ark. Maybe it went to a collector who wanted the Monarch-style Art Deco look which later CVA lathes don't have.

Or maybe it was just that it's darn sarf?

Tim

Mark McGrath
06-17-2012, 04:33 AM
Bloody tight wad Scots, Ok I'll put the 10p in the post - no stamp mind you.


I think you mean educated.

Hopefuldave
06-17-2012, 07:54 AM
Agreed on the "name" = price! It actually went for less than I've seen similar-capacity (but a fifth the weight and HP) Ch*n*s* imports sell for - I know which I'd prefer! A lot of hobbyists in the UK are scared by the size and weight of decent lathes, though, and there's the spares/support considerations (but try getting parts for a 5-yr-old far-eastern lathe...)

I would have gone for it if I didn't already have a Holbrook C13 (a bit Art Deco, more capacity, more spindle power, easier metric threading, another "unknown name" to the Ignorant) which cost me quite a bit less but needed a fair bit of work, some still ongoing...

Pete, for a bit less money, you could have had a Holbrook H17 a week and a bit ago - a superb machine (18" swing, 60" between centres, full imperial/metric threading, dog-clutched leadscrew reverse - yum!) - if it had been a "comparable" Colchester it would have made 2500 - 3k? The Holbrook's Mighty, though, about twice (more?) the weight of a Triumph 2000...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HOLBROOK-MODEL-H17-LATHE-/280888616660?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item41664426d4

That one had me scratching my head, thinking about a bigger shed and a thinner wallet!

Dave H. (the other one)

Peter.
06-17-2012, 08:05 AM
I would not have got that Holbrook round the right-angle at the end of my alleyway but the short bed CVA would have gone round with a bit of effort.

Aah well, I guess I do benefit from not having to face a lambasting from the wife - again :D

Hopefuldave
06-17-2012, 08:15 AM
A Holbrook C10 might go round the bend, then... it was my first choice until the C13 came up at less money than the Ebay C10's went for! Still a Sturdy machine though, ton and a half?

Not going to describe the ear-bending and black looks I got from the GF...

Dave H. (the other one)

Alistair Hosie
06-17-2012, 12:02 PM
Lazlo I put it to you and mark this way you did not bid ,and mark did not bid, so why not share it with friends here on the bbs most of whom are in the usa and even those in uk have a right to be made aware of good buys, or maybe you think this information should be made a big secret, and kept from our friends here.I will continue to show what I like to my pals here maye next time you will be made aware of something you never new existed and thank me but so long as you're not bidding why get you scanties in a twist. :DAlistair

gnm109
06-17-2012, 12:23 PM
I would not have got that Holbrook round the right-angle at the end of my alleyway but the short bed CVA would have gone round with a bit of effort.

Aah well, I guess I do benefit from not having to face a lambasting from the wife - again :D


Aye, and a dinner of hot tongue and cold shoulder for at least a week. :D

lazlo
06-17-2012, 03:20 PM
Lazlo I put it to you and mark this way you did not bid ,and mark did not bid, so why not share it with friends

Hey, that's fine Alistair -- next time I list a machine on Ebay, I'll make sure to bring it to your attention! We can split the profits

Alistair Hosie
06-17-2012, 04:34 PM
I have witnesses you agreed to buddy that so start sending me the cash:D asap Alistair

Robin R
06-17-2012, 10:15 PM
I would not have got that Holbrook round the right-angle at the end of my alleyway but the short bed CVA would have gone round with a bit of effort.

Aah well, I guess I do benefit from not having to face a lambasting from the wife - again :D

No problem, just stand it on end.:D