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Neil
02-10-2004, 12:00 PM
I've just spent several hours emailing responses and apologies to a number of board members who have been offended by some recent posts on this bulletin board.

While I have allowed OT posts in the past, they have been reasonably presented and non-inflammatory. That's fine... they add a little flavor. When topics focus on politics, religion and war, the pot boils over. That's where we appear to be now.

In response, I've deleted the topics which have prompted this post.

In the future, please make your statements about politics, religion and war somewhere else.

Thank you all for your consideration in this matter.

Neil

bspooh
02-10-2004, 12:14 PM
Thank you Neil...

Off topics are still good when you need help with you automobile, or stuff like that..

Politics and religion will just breed hate between members...

brent

Rustybolt
02-10-2004, 12:15 PM
Thanks Neil. I have too much respect for the people here to want to know what their politics.

Evan
02-10-2004, 12:20 PM
Thank you.

Tomzhere
02-10-2004, 12:23 PM
Thank you!!!

BillH
02-10-2004, 12:24 PM
Yes, thank you too, I agree that politics are unhealthy for this group. Probably best no one saw the picture I posted seconds before you deleted it, so Thanks for that too.

JCHannum
02-10-2004, 12:30 PM
Thanks from here too.
I think it is a shame that you feel compelled to apologize to people who may have been offended by the beliefs of others, but it displays your determination to keep this forum dedicated to the interests of most of us.
Thanks for the forum and your efforts.

winchman
02-10-2004, 12:30 PM
Thanks from me, too. Timely and appropriate action on your part.

Roger

debequem
02-10-2004, 12:52 PM
"Yes, thank you too, I agree that politics are unhealthy for this group. Probably best no one saw the picture I posted seconds before you deleted it, so Thanks for that too."

Oh, thanks, Bill! Now you did it and got my curiosity peaked. ;-)

Neil,

Good move and thanks for your wisdom in this matter.

Marv

G.A. Ewen
02-10-2004, 01:32 PM
Thanks for the guidelines Neil.

Al Flipo
02-10-2004, 01:41 PM
I agree with this, keep it hobby related, just wondering why some people are so quickly offended.

Cecil Walker
02-10-2004, 01:47 PM
THANKS, nice move on your part!

John Stevenson
02-10-2004, 02:25 PM
Neil,
I'd like to thank you for this, I know you don't moderate much or harshly and that's nice as it should be up to the members of a board to self regulate the postings.
I'm personally not against OT posts if they have some slight bearing on the BBS's subject matter, it's suprising where side threads take you.
However politics and religion are always sticky subjects and as you will never manage to convert someone from their chosen path it's actually a waste of time.

I used to read rec.crafts.metalworking for quite a while but the constant bickering and bullying just got too much and I dropped it.

There are quite a few specialised subjects over on Yahoo like South Bend lathes, a Shaper group and many others but as I say these are specialised.
There seems to be about three general BBS's that cater to the home shop guy.
Chaski, Don Thomas's one at practical machinist and this one hosted by village press.
At the moment as regards content and quality this one has got to be the best bar none.

Lets take it on ourselves to keep this unique medium that we have been given for free, remember we pay nothing for this, no yearly rental, no fees, you don't even have to subscribe to the magazine.
There are plenty of Yahoo groups and news groups if you fancy a bit of senseless argument about war, religion or politics and it will be senseless as you will never win or convince anyone.

John S.

bspooh
02-10-2004, 02:29 PM
DITTO

brent http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//cool.gif

torker
02-10-2004, 03:01 PM
Good idea! Isn't there enough politics on the news etc???

dnsbss
02-10-2004, 03:13 PM
good move

Paul Gauthier
02-10-2004, 04:37 PM
Thanks Neil.

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Paul G.

ibewgypsie
02-10-2004, 07:12 PM
Why can't we all just get along? HA...

Thanks for keeping this board a machinist board.

David.

Alistair Hosie
02-10-2004, 07:22 PM
Neil it was my understanding we had agreed this with you before. Some time ago if my memory serves me well.Alistair

wierdscience
02-10-2004, 09:09 PM
Ya,I think we did it before too,but you know how us human beings are,backsliders all http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Benji
02-10-2004, 09:10 PM
thanks

spope14
02-10-2004, 09:42 PM
My apologies to all whom I may have offended.

I have the utmost respect for all on this board, and will keep that respect to its due and proper level, which should be high.

The posts that got me going are gone now, and I hope to use this board to its fullest capacity, which is sharing information and gaining information from others.

Neil, you do a great job.

wierdscience
02-10-2004, 09:45 PM
Gee,I must have missed something,did fur start flying?

[This message has been edited by wierdscience (edited 02-10-2004).]

codyb
02-10-2004, 09:48 PM
I support your position too.

nmtinker
02-11-2004, 12:16 AM
I too thank you Neil.
Jim DeLong

gizmo2
02-11-2004, 12:17 AM
One last shot, Neil! Like the T-shirt used to say, Nuke the unborn gay whales! OK, I'll behave now. It really does get goofy at times.

Al Messer
02-11-2004, 01:48 AM
Does anybody know where I can buy a decent-made file?

Thrud
02-11-2004, 02:19 AM
Al
They quit making them years ago. I have been looking far new lathe files myself, So such luck. I asked Nicholson just what in hell they thought they were doing shipping lathe files 12 to a box without individual wrapping each file to protect them and they told me "not worth the effort".

abn
02-11-2004, 03:31 AM
I think your action is appropriate...I personally like the occasional off topic spin off from a subject but deliberate non machine/manufacturing related political religous posts do seem in bad taste.

Alistair Hosie
02-11-2004, 07:24 PM
Wierd I aint no backslider http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif a more respectable bum never walked the face of the earth than your uncle Alistair http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

ibewgypsie
02-11-2004, 07:29 PM
Well my problem, when I was younger I wanted to kill everyone not like me, AS I looked around the world, there are no more like me. I got over it.

David..

Why can't we all just get along?

NAIT
02-11-2004, 09:42 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by John Stevenson:
There seems to be about three general BBS's that cater to the home shop guy.
Chaski, Don Thomas's one at practical machinist and this one hosted by village press. John S.</font>

And what about uk.rec.models.engineering ?

charlie coghill
02-11-2004, 09:52 PM
For My self I am not into poltics,religon or war. I just play like an ostrich and bury my head in the shop and make chips. I do like some of the OTs as I do learn from some of them and get laughs from the others.

Good going Neil!
Charlie

Alistair Hosie
02-11-2004, 10:10 PM
Ibew my friend there are always plenty like you ,or I in this world.
No bad thing too http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif Alistair

C. Tate
02-12-2004, 01:16 AM
I will honor your request out of respect. However, I would like to say that our hobbies, jobs and everyday lives are very much governed by many of the now taboo subjects. It is only natural that our thoughts and responses will many times reflect our sentiments on these subjects.I am not at all offened when someone expresses their feelings on politics, religion and the like. The different opinions make me analyze my own.

CT

WJHartson
02-12-2004, 01:26 AM
Thanks.

Joe

John Stevenson
02-12-2004, 05:33 AM
Nait, I left that one off as it's not on a lot of US servers, decent site though with the exception of one village idiot who we try to ignore.
I did mention in another post that the home shop scene in the UK where the internet is concerned is very small [ so is the UK http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif ]
It is a different culture, one one hand we have the old died in the wool guys who just work away and keep to them selves and don't own a computer [ damn new fangled things ]and then we have the same type of guy who frequents this list. As they are in the minority it's inevitable as we swop and sell stuff and get to shows we also get to meet.

As an example someone put a message on the other day thanking one of the guys for getting him a surface plate. That remined me I had an old 3'x 2' plate outside with a bit of surface rust on than I picked up for 5 quid [ $8.00 ] when I was moving some machines. It would clean up and made a decent general plate so I offered it for the same as I paid to get rid.
Another guy posted he'd have it and collected it about 5 days later. When he came and I hadn't met this guy before he also dropped off something from a guy in his area for someone in my area to save carriage.
That's the way it works here.

John S.

Alistair Hosie
02-12-2004, 05:49 AM
John I owned a hotel here in Sunny Dunoon.
We took in about sixty folk each week and dealt with coach parties mostly folk from around Leigh, and Wigan, in Lancashire in England .
They were wonderful people,they had a very deep sense of friendship as most of them were retired mineworkers they had to depend on one another sometimes for their lives.
I only ever witnessed this sense of community spirit in South Wales where my wife comes from in the valleys sadly it in all but name no longer exists, there now the mines are all shut.
It was a wonderful thing to witness and I remember for example my old father in law he died a few years back when he was in his eighties the neighbours all looked after him every day they would cook a little extra and take it in to him saying look Dai (welsh for David) we made too much (so as not to hurt his feelings) can you take a drop of soup or whatever.
I was brought up in a very much faster environment in a large housing estate where you only really new the neighbours side by side and no other.
We all minded our own business and although we were very friendly it did not have the warmth of these other communities.
For me it is a wonderful thing when people care for each other I have noticed it here in a small way on this forum that's why I like it here so much. Alistair

shaque
02-12-2004, 09:35 AM
I agree with all of the above...
Peace brothers and sisters...
Jim

crypto
02-12-2004, 12:31 PM
Thanks for your patience and good judgement.

But darn, to whom will I now tell my funny war experiences. I've bored all of my local acquaintances,------"there was the time that Slim Klier died three times from a supposed gas attack
it seems that-------------"

lynnl
02-12-2004, 01:55 PM
Hey Oscar, just email 'em to me. I'd love to hear them!

Lynn

crypto
02-12-2004, 02:06 PM
Thank you Lynn. An audience even of just one is still an audience. Reminds me of that scene in an old movie that shows a soapbox orator motioning to a solitary observer and saying, "you there, form a circle!"

Alistair Hosie
02-13-2004, 08:43 PM
That's right now I won't be able to tell you all how My mother fought of Hitler during
ww 11 with nothing more than a badly worn set of upper dentures, or how she lost all her hair in a boiler explosion or trying to sink the bismark throwing ginger bottles at it from her rented beach chair, still never mind I can tell you all in the next life http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif.Alistair p s thats if liars can still get in http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

John Stevenson
02-13-2004, 08:52 PM
RENTED BEACH CHAIR ???????????

Since when has a Scotsman paid for something he doesn't own.
Leave it out Alistair.

John S.

Alistair Hosie
02-13-2004, 09:40 PM
John I believe my father rented my mothers wedding ring just in case it didn't work out http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif Alistair p s I could rent you out a little Canadian meatloaf http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

yorgatron
03-02-2004, 10:58 PM
i figure this needs to get back to the top.no comment otherwise-george