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John Stevenson
04-12-2013, 04:45 AM
Every couple of days I'm getting a message saying flash needs updating, have to do this because I can't watch you tube video's without, just keep getting crash report.

Uploaded latest yesterday and all fine.

Came this morning, clicked on a link and it crashed, screen just flickers like it's trying to load and even takes ages to close down.

Fed up of this. Flash is the only Adobe program I have on this machine, won't allow any other one here.

Adobe needs listing with Norton as a virus.

Is there ant other choices to see video's on you tube without flash ?

Signed videoless in the 21st century.

MrFluffy
04-12-2013, 04:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/html5

John Stevenson
04-12-2013, 08:20 AM
Magic, that's sorted you tube but uninstalled all adobe products off this machine now, You Tube still OK but the BBC news site still needs flash ?

KiddZimaHater
04-12-2013, 09:44 AM
My computer was doing the same thing with Adobe. Then it started running Reeeeaaallllll slooowwww.
Finally it crashed.
I thought it was a Virus, so I took it to my local Computer Nerd to have it repaired.
Turns out, a file didn't finish updating (Damn Windows and their stupid 'updates'), and the corrupted file screwed up my whole system.
Knowledgeable Computer Geek fixed it for me. :)

Stern
04-12-2013, 09:49 AM
I used to have a lot of Adobe stuff on my machine (had the Writer for docs) and I can honestly say its the worst piece of S*^$ I have ever had on my machine. Took me about a day to actually remove it all (as it does some nasty hidden hooking in the registry) and now I only have flash (which always wants to "update" and never works right. After many issues I just gave up on it and now when it asks to update I tell it no (as it doesnt have a "go F$%&$ yourself button, and it should).
Have no issues with you-tube, but some sites wont run right .... just don't bother with those istes

Fasttrack
04-12-2013, 09:55 AM
Yep - Adobe sucks. Based on my experience, flash requires constant attention to keep it running correctly. HTML5 is the way to go; if a site doesn't yet support it, they will soon.

gcude
04-12-2013, 09:59 AM
Well John, at this point you may as well be using an iPad. :rolleyes:

lazlo
04-12-2013, 10:05 AM
Yep - Adobe sucks. Based on my experience, flash requires constant attention to keep it running correctly. HTML5 is the way to go; if a site doesn't yet support it, they will soon.

I agree -- Flash sucks. The Flash cookies are the reason when you go to Ebay or Amazon, the "You might like..." sidebar pops up stuff related to the videos you were just watching.

As far as HTML5 -- that's a huge industry battle. All the online retailers that use Flash cookies to exchange information about you want to kill HTML5.

The history is pretty interesting: Adobe bought Flash when it acquired Macromedia in 2005. Flash and HTML5 are just containers - you could use any arbitrary video decoder with either container. Macromedia Flash uses the VP6 codec from ON technologies. ON also wrote the VP7 codec used in Skype.

But here's the amusing part: ON wrote the VP8 codec that Google bought to use as the video codec for HTML5 videos on Youtube (Google owns Youtube) :)

In other words, the Flash and HTML5 (on Youtube) are using video codecs from the same company.

JohnAlex141r
04-12-2013, 11:07 AM
As far as HTML5 -- that's a huge industry battle.

Hah! Was on the HTML5 WG for a bit, and, you are more correct than you know... (working on 3D graphics, so video codecs, etc, were not my focus when on this group) (represented Web3D Consortium, and to as much of an extent as possible, my employer, the Canadian Government)

Another JohnS.

Jaakko Fagerlund
04-12-2013, 11:36 AM
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/all_adobe_updates.png

lakeside53
04-12-2013, 11:44 AM
That and Reader one of the few programs I have on "manual update". I'm a few revs behind and happy to leave it that way.

MrFluffy
04-12-2013, 03:51 PM
Magic, that's sorted you tube but uninstalled all adobe products off this machine now, You Tube still OK but the BBC news site still needs flash ?
http://www.infradead.org/get_iplayer/html/get_iplayer.html

woops, wrong bit... you want news...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/live_stats/html/lowbycountry.stm

dp
04-12-2013, 04:39 PM
I don't like flash because of the cookies problem. I'd bet most people don't even know how to manage cookies in flash as it is that weird. I do like the Adobe CS-6 software suite, though, but at $2500 ($600 if you take a web design class at your local JC) it is rather spendy.

lazlo
04-12-2013, 04:55 PM
I don't like flash because of the cookies problem. I'd bet most people don't even know how to manage cookies in flash as it is that weird.

Agree 100% Dennis. I think that's the entire reason for the existence of HTML5, and the whole reason Ebay, Amazon, and all the other online retailers are trying to kill it: because people generally don't know about Flash SuperCookies, let alone that clearing your browser cookies has no effect on them.

You Deleted Your Cookies? Think Again
http://www.wired.com/business/2009/08/you-deleted-your-cookies-think-again/

Black_Moons
04-12-2013, 05:22 PM
.... Somehow I doubt online retailers who LOVE nothing more then to track your every fart want to get rid of flash for that reason.

More likey the fact its an insecure, slow, pos that isent working on iphones. (Not that I care about iphones, but I bet ebay/amazon does)

lazlo
04-12-2013, 05:35 PM
.... Somehow I doubt online retailers who LOVE nothing more then to track your every fart want to get rid of flash for that reason.

The online retailers want to keep Flash so they can track you, regardless of whether you have cookies enabled.

HTML5 was proposed specifically to replace Flash, because it's an Adobe monopoly. And it has nothing to do with Flash, or Flash video. It's all about a sneaky way to track your online activities.

caveBob
04-12-2013, 06:01 PM
Cleaning Flash cookies (the easy way)
http://www.piriform.com/docs/ccleaner/ccleaner-settings/cleaning-flash-cookies

CCleaner download page:
http://www.piriform.com/download

J. Randall
04-12-2013, 09:11 PM
I use CCleaner pretty regularly, and have it set to clean the Adobe cookies under multimedia. I very rarely have any problems with flash. I went to FF pdf reader a long time ago.
James

vpt
04-12-2013, 10:27 PM
Is it me or has John seemed pretty upset about allot more things or grumpier than usual since the bridgeport has gone?

Toolguy
04-12-2013, 10:58 PM
I was wondering the same thing...

quasi
04-12-2013, 11:04 PM
Is it me or has John seemed pretty upset about allot more things or grumpier than usual since the bridgeport has gone?

yes he has been, maybe the replacement has been acting up. Is there a thread on the replacement? I have not noticed it.

Jaakko Fagerlund
04-13-2013, 02:30 AM
yes he has been, maybe the replacement has been acting up. Is there a thread on the replacement? I have not noticed it.
Or maybe the replacement is working better than the Bridgy did, so now he has time to be here and not having to express faces and say magic words in the workshop :D

John Stevenson
04-13-2013, 04:23 AM
yes he has been, maybe the replacement has been acting up. Is there a thread on the replacement? I have not noticed it.


No, there has been no thread but it is with a heavy heart that I was in discussions yesterday with Gary, the boss at the local scrapyard to see if he has room for it - seriously. A decision not taken lightly but nessesary.

Jon Heron
04-13-2013, 08:21 AM
http://www.gnashdev.org/
Works great in firefox, no need for lousy adobe flash plugin...
Cheers,
Jon

John Stevenson
04-13-2013, 09:30 AM
Jon,
Looked at that link, sorry but it made no sense to me.

Looked under download and it said no mirrors near me, so went looking and loads in the UK.
Went there and just got a great big list of directory files ???

Why is it when I read GNU, open source, distro's etc I know there is going to be pages of techno babble and not one big box that says download in sight ?

dp
04-13-2013, 12:14 PM
http://www.gnashdev.org/
Works great in firefox, no need for lousy adobe flash plugin...
Cheers,
Jon

No update since 2011 - I'd call that a dead project.

JohnAlex141r
04-13-2013, 02:04 PM
JohnS -

1) Sorry to hear about the new mill. Interested to see what happens with it. When you get the time/energy, tell us about it.

2) Adobe Flash - I think you may find that the Model Engineer/Engineers Workshop require Flash to operate on desktop computers. Not sure what they use for android devices, etc.

Another JohnS.

J Tiers
04-13-2013, 06:16 PM
I went to FF pdf reader a long time ago.
James

That thing is a pain...... I suppose it is "safer" than the now-vulnerable PDF format reader direct, but if you want to DOWNLOAD the PDF (datasheet, etc), it make the process a multi-step ordeal. And it is slower than regular old Adobe has been (new adobe, well, let's just say it is a tad buggy)

I got rid of it and set Adobe as the reader....

MrFluffy
04-14-2013, 04:12 AM
Lightspark is a bit more alive than gnash as a total flash replacement. Although it can pass the stuff it cant handle to gnash to deal with if needs be.
http://lightspark.github.io/

Has windows .exe's too.
http://mediaservant.info/jenkins/job/Lightspark-win32/

Jon Heron
04-14-2013, 08:11 AM
Why is it when I read GNU, open source, distro's etc I know there is going to be pages of techno babble and not one big box that says download in sight ?
Sorry John, I wasn't paying attention to the fact your a windoze user... It appears there is no windoze gnash browser plugin but there is a windoze binary in the link from MrFluffy above, your mileage may vary with that OS...
Stupid flash player :)
Cheers,
Jon

J. Randall
04-15-2013, 06:26 PM
That thing is a pain...... I suppose it is "safer" than the now-vulnerable PDF format reader direct, but if you want to DOWNLOAD the PDF (datasheet, etc), it make the process a multi-step ordeal. And it is slower than regular old Adobe has been (new adobe, well, let's just say it is a tad buggy)

I got rid of it and set Adobe as the reader....

J, I will admit I don't use it a lot, but what I have it has been fast and simple. No complaints here. I was told the other day that Chrome has the ability to handle a PDF file built in now, haven't tried it yet.
James