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flylo
05-23-2013, 07:38 AM
OFF TOPIC, Sorry not enough coffee yet
This can't be good!:eek:
www.firearmstalk.com/entries/20000-M16s-Go-Missing-With-No-Leads.html

topct
05-23-2013, 07:46 AM
The expression on that kids face is priceless. :D

Rustybolt
05-23-2013, 08:33 AM
I'm betting a forklift was involved.

Dr Stan
05-23-2013, 08:40 AM
with allies like these . . . :eek:

vpt
05-23-2013, 08:42 AM
Will the price of scrap metal go back up again to replace these?

bob_s
05-23-2013, 09:55 AM
12 guys could move the whole lot in about 4 hours by hand.

Stern
05-23-2013, 10:08 AM
Yea, may take fork lifts and such, but you can bet it was done cheap and dirty, simply pull them out 1 by one and load some trucks. Bob_s is right, a small group could move them all in no time

Frank K
05-23-2013, 10:50 AM
Don't anyone tell the Governor of New York or the Mayor of NYC about this. They'll spend the next week passing new laws to ban the theft of M-16's.

Scottike
05-23-2013, 12:28 PM
"So Mugsy, Did you get the guns and ammo?"
"Yea Boss, I grabbed 20,000 rifles but they only had 15,000 bullets.
I done good, didn't I?"
"Mugsy, you idiot! These bullets don't fit these guns!"

co_farmer
05-23-2013, 03:07 PM
I bet there never were any guns. The writer offers no proof of their existence. Probably an insurance claim is being prepared.

Paul

topct
05-23-2013, 03:58 PM
This does have a smell to it. And I'm not sure if it belongs here.

Billy Hill
05-23-2013, 04:15 PM
This seems very Fast and Furious-ish to me. Seems real convenient they were not approached by anyone wondering what was going on.

SteveF
05-23-2013, 05:48 PM
Maybe they figured that with mountains of 7.62 x 39 in that part of the world, no one would want M-16s?

Steve

Dr Stan
05-23-2013, 06:58 PM
This seems very Fast and Furious-ish to me. Seems real convenient they were not approached by anyone wondering what was going on.

If you ever spend any time in the 3rd world you'll soon discover occurrences like this one are not rare. During my 2nd deployment we were anchored out in Subic Bay, PI and locals climbed the anchor chain and stole the mooring lines. We're talking 3 or 4 inch dia rope here and no one saw a thing including everyone who was on watch. Keep in mind this was on a US Navy ship.

BTW, I'm not trying to say nothing like this happens in the US or other industrialized countries, but when you have people existing on the equivalent of a US dollar a day some of them will seek out any way they can to put food on the table.

Evan
05-23-2013, 07:01 PM
So, how does the State Department supply Syrian rebels without a paper trail?

bob_s
05-23-2013, 08:33 PM
The name Oliver North suddenly springs to mind.
What did they use as a medium of exchange in the Iran-Contras deal?
Drugs or some such thing?
CIA
Trade Colombian hookers to Saudi A for arms smuggled into Syria.

saltmine
05-23-2013, 08:39 PM
They're in Holder's basement.

Carld
05-23-2013, 08:46 PM
Hey Evan, my first thought was, what an easy way for the government to give the rebel fighters arms and ammo without anyone knowing. I wonder if they allowed any shoulder fired rocket launchers to be carried off as well.

vpt
05-23-2013, 10:17 PM
Buddy of mine informed me it is misinformation. 20,000 rounds of M16 ammo were stolen not guns. He said no armory holds 20,000 M16s at one time.

Billy Hill
05-23-2013, 11:47 PM
If you ever spend any time in the 3rd world you'll soon discover occurrences like this one are not rare. During my 2nd deployment we were anchored out in Subic Bay, PI

Actually, the company I work for has a facility in Calamba City, PI. That's a couple hours from Subic Bay. I was there just last year.

When were you stationed there?

flylo
05-24-2013, 12:24 AM
Very well could be true. If you do a search it comes up a 100+ times but not by a major news network. Seems odd it wasn't on CNN, or others. As high as ammo is it does make more sense.

Buddy of mine informed me it is misinformation. 20,000 rounds of M16 ammo were stolen not guns. He said no armory holds 20,000 M16s at one time.

Evan
05-24-2013, 12:45 AM
The major networks won't carry it if they have been "asked" not to. The State Dept very recently "removed" the CAD plans for the printable pistol AND every other cad plan on the website. Seems to me the First Amendment is in a bit of trouble. The good thing is that the internet cannot be controlled by anyone. It was explicitly designed without any central control. DARPA's idea was that if there is no central control you cannot take it out. Like knives, there are two edges to that.


Buddy of mine informed me it is misinformation. 20,000 rounds of M16 ammo were stolen not guns. He said no armory holds 20,000 M16s at one time.

Disinformation?

vpt
05-24-2013, 07:52 AM
Disinformation?


Wrong information? misinterpreted information?

wierdscience
05-24-2013, 08:26 AM
Hey Evan, my first thought was, what an easy way for the government to give the rebel fighters arms and ammo without anyone knowing. I wonder if they allowed any shoulder fired rocket launchers to be carried off as well.

That's what went missing in Lybia,15-25,000 shoulder fired missles.It's what some believe those Seals who were killed along with Amb Stevens were looking for.


http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/nightmare-libya-20000-surface-air-missiles-missing/story?id=14610199

http://breakingdefense.com/2011/10/04/some-missing-missiles-in-libya-are-already-gone-general-says/

flylo
05-24-2013, 09:19 AM
I had a customer that was retired from a high level job with the US goverment, I think the State Dept after the iron curtain fell. He could tell you how much radioactive material, weapons, etc was "missing" or unaccounted for at any one time in the world. A lot in the US but I guess it was a free for all in the communest countries & the black market. What he told was most spooky & scary to say the least.

Evan
05-24-2013, 08:59 PM
There is a self limiting factor that helps prevent serious problems from following such missing materials. That factor is those kinds of items tend to be a very good way to get dead if you try to trade in them. Anybody interested in such contraband is much more likely to kill you rather than pay you. It is also very difficult to arrange payment while still remaining completely anonymous. That is becoming more difficult by the day.

Guido
05-24-2013, 10:04 PM
Disinformation--------That's like distransparency: The holding up of a yellow plastic curtain or anything, to prevent a camera weilder from recording the actions of paramedics/police while handling a guy laying on the tarmac.

Sorta like the first law of nurse: If it's not written down, it didn't happen.

Zero_Divide
05-25-2013, 01:35 AM
Hah Kuwait.
I bet those guns will turn up in the arms of siryan "freedom fighters".

See, US can not send any weapons openly, but if they got stolen and somehow made their way through that would be OK.

Ohh boy everybody hates Assad so much they go through this to help their own enemies.
How stupid is that US is unseating more or less stable secular regimes to replace them with radical islamists who will never embrace US as a friendly nation?

Look at Afganistan.
They were so hellbent on helping taliban make Russians go away they didnt notice it wasnt friends they were.dealing with.

...
Eh regimes fight- regular people die.

The Artful Bodger
05-25-2013, 02:38 AM
Look at Afganistan.
They were so hellbent on helping taliban make Russians go away they didnt notice it wasnt friends they were.dealing with.




I am not sure that is quite right as the Taleban were not formed until some time after the Soviets left Afghanistan. The US gave assistance to the mujahideen who after the Russians left fell into various warlord factions that fought among themselves and failed to establish a government of Afghanistan meanwhile the whole country fell under heel of the various warlords and their private armies.

The Taleban were formed in Pakistan and entered Afghanistan where they fought the warlords eventually controlling 95% of the country, the remainder being held by the surviving warlords who were formed into the Northern Alliance. The Northern Alliance fought against the Taleban during the coalition invasion of the country and some of them took places in the new Afghan government.

Then again there was Osama bin Laden and his family and followers....

SteveF
05-25-2013, 07:50 AM
..................

Look at Afganistan.
They were so hellbent on helping taliban make Russians go away they didnt notice it wasnt friends they were dealing with.

...
Eh regimes fight- regular people die.

Sure we did. Ever hear of the expression "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"?

Didn't like Stalin in the slightest but considered Hitler to be the far bigger threat.

Sometimes life isn't simple.

Steve

Evan
05-25-2013, 12:18 PM
Disinformation is information that is untrue but plausible and calculated to produce confusion intended to cloud the issue. By providing alternate stories that cannot be verified any more than the original story the entire issue becomes diluted and with no certainty what the correct story may be.

A good example is what is called a "cover story" where the nature of the story is fiction.

philbur
05-25-2013, 01:48 PM
Kuwait has a GDP per capita similar to the USA, why do you attempt to draw a comaprison between Kuwait and the Phillipines, which has a GDP per capita that is only 5% of either of the former.

Phil:)


If you ever spend any time in the 3rd world you'll soon discover occurrences like this one are not rare. During my 2nd deployment we were anchored out in Subic Bay, PI and locals climbed the anchor chain and stole the mooring lines. We're talking 3 or 4 inch dia rope here and no one saw a thing including everyone who was on watch. Keep in mind this was on a US Navy ship.

BTW, I'm not trying to say nothing like this happens in the US or other industrialized countries, but when you have people existing on the equivalent of a US dollar a day some of them will seek out any way they can to put food on the table.

lazlo
05-25-2013, 10:48 PM
So, how does the State Department supply Syrian rebels without a paper trail?

That would be my guess as well -- when 20,000 guns disappear out of an unguarded armory, there's a government involved.

But I wonder about the legitimacy of the original report. If you Google it, the article shows up on various gun forums, but no mainstream media.

Evan
05-25-2013, 11:03 PM
Check post #22 Robert.

lazlo
05-26-2013, 04:03 AM
Check post #22 Robert.

Well sure, it could be a coordinated conspiracy of the world's governments not to carry the story. Or, more likely, it's just another rumor passed around the gun forums.

I mean, the list of sites hosting the story is downright hilarious :)

http://bit.ly/18ik06w