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planeman
08-30-2014, 11:29 AM
An elderly man here in the Atlanta area tells me he is thinking about selling his 7" Delta (same as Amco) metal shaper made in 1951. He has restored it to like new condition and it works like a charm. It even has the original shaper vise. I want to make an offer and I want to be fair. Shapers, and particularly small shapers, here in the Southeast are rare as hen's teeth so I don't want to miss this one. Please give me an idea of what its value is as I have no idea what to offer.

Planeman

justanengineer
08-30-2014, 11:38 AM
Im not sure the small shapers are very common anywhere anymore. I see them for sale up here on craigs in the $2-400 range 1-2x/month. Oddly enough, I used to see them regularly (1-2x/wk) back in the mid-late 2000s and they all seemed to have ~$1k price tags.

MikeHenry
08-30-2014, 12:17 PM
Seems like really nice small shapers (~7" stroke) go for around $700 when the deal is between knowledgeable private sellers and buyers and that price seems to have held almost constant for the past 15 years or so. Used machine dealers seem to want more, maybe $1,000.

metalmagpie
08-30-2014, 12:49 PM
My viewpoint differs. I believe that machine tool prices are strongly dependent on location. Around the Seattle area shapers are quite rare, and are often priced at $1000-$1400. And they sure don't last long on Craigslist. I have a 12" Sheldon which I'm going to sell sometime in the next year.

metalmagpie

J Tiers
08-30-2014, 01:43 PM
Seems like shapers have dropped in price, but lathes have gone UP.

lynnl
08-30-2014, 02:16 PM
Seven or eight years ago I bought a 7" Logan from a surplus dealer in Rockport, IL. It was in good shape and included the vise, but was certainly not cosmetically "like new."
I paid $425 (as I recall), and a like amount to get it shipped here to Huntsville, actually I think it came to Decatur.
I'm sure, back then, I would've jumped at the chance to buy one like new for $1000 and drive to Atlanta to get it.

But ultimately it's a question of how bad you (or others) want it and how bad he wants to sell it.
If you REALLY want it though, I suggest you act fast.

projectnut
08-30-2014, 03:03 PM
I purchased a 7" AMMCO (built by Delta in Chicago) a few years ago for less than $200.00. It's in like new condition and came complete with the optional guards, vise, and some tooling. It also came on the stand complete with the War Board Approval and Property Tag from the Badger Ordinance Depot in Baraboo WI. I have seen several in not quite as good a condition for similar prices in our area. Every once in a while there's a refurbished one (which usually means a new paint job) on the local Craigslist in the $500.00 to $700.00 range.

Compared to the larger machines they do hold their value a bit more. I also purchased a 16" Leuter & Gueis machine for $250.00 Currently there 3 for sale on Craigslist. The smallest is a 7" South Bend.

http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/tld/4591599383.html

The asking price is $1000.00. They say it's firm, but since it's been out there for over 2 weeks I think there's room for negotiation. I believe it's from a dealer since it's shown on a pallet with a descriptive tag on it

larry_g
08-30-2014, 05:16 PM
My viewpoint differs. I believe that machine tool prices are strongly dependent on location. Around the Seattle area shapers are quite rare, and are often priced at $1000-$1400. And they sure don't last long on Craigslist. I have a 12" Sheldon which I'm going to sell sometime in the next year.

metalmagpie

Would that be my old machine with the welded up pitman arm? I'd sure like to have it back...

lg
no neat sig line

sarge41
08-30-2014, 06:25 PM
Planeman: I gave $750.00 at auction for a sweet little 12" Italian made shaper about 15 years ago. Today, that would be about $1000.00. I never regretted the money. Jump on it today if you like the machine. Let us know how it plays out. Good luck.

Sarge

wierdscience
08-30-2014, 08:10 PM
In the SE,a small shaper,in good working order(ram ways in good shape),clean,single phase with some attachments can run $700-1200.

I did see a few years ago at auction,a low hours South Bend,single phase will all the goodies bring $1700+ commission and sales tax.However I think that was a perfect storm of condition,completeness and nostalgia.

Mister ED
08-30-2014, 08:19 PM
I just stole a minty South Bend with cabinet, vice, & accessories for $200. If I wanted to sell I think I could sell it for $800 within a week or so. I'd bet I could sell it tonight for $600. I think that is where the market is $600-$800.

But the bigger question is what comes with it?? Base? Vise? Tool holders? Tooling? The link to the SB for $1000 in Milwaukee is crazy. IMHO, I would not touch that one for $600. No vise, no cabinet/base, tool holders, etc.

bewards
08-30-2014, 08:27 PM
Shapers are hard to find here in Alabama too. I hate to admit I paid 1400 for my restored Atlas 7 with vise. Recently the guy I bought it from offered to buy it back but I decided to keep it. What I have used it, has been fun.

bedwards

Mcostello
08-30-2014, 08:53 PM
Bought a no name red 8" shaper with vise frozen for $2.00, sold for $85,as the guy was leaving He said He would Ebay the vise and scrap the rest. I could have done that but thought I was selling it to someone who would appreciate it.

Bought an Ampco for $75 got $400 for it. New owner did not want the cabinet so I kept it for free.

Bought a 7" Rhoades for $100, still have it and it gets used. Yesterday I cut some Bxa dovetails for a tangential tool holder.

planeman
08-30-2014, 09:31 PM
Thanks guys!

This Delta 7" shaper is in top shape, comes with the original vise, stand, and motor plus cutting tools. sounds like, considering the rarity of shapers in these parts, I'd better be prepared to pay $1,000 to $1,400. At least I have a rough idea of value. Now for the negotiations.

Planeman

big job
08-30-2014, 10:32 PM
Thanks guys!

This Delta 7" shaper is in top shape, comes with the original vise, stand, and motor plus cutting tools. sounds like, considering the rarity of shapers in these parts, I'd better be prepared to pay $1,000 to $1,400. At least I have a rough idea of value. Now for the negotiations.

Planeman
That would be my thought its all about location. you snozze you lose. And then a 200 dollars shaper plus shipping, your
right back to the $xxxx's again. Back when, I bought one for $500 and $500 to truck it. Those days are long gone.
Now they got fuel surcharges this and that- extra for destination delevery. sounds like a deal to me..good luck

Tundra Twin Track
08-31-2014, 03:53 PM
I paid 1000.00 for my Varnamo EV-5 24" shaper in the spring was in excellent shape had to switch the 3ph 5.5 hp motor over to 5hp single phase motor,the vise was missing I am still looking for one.

Mcostello
08-31-2014, 08:56 PM
Was at an auction that sold a Smith and (forget the name) shaper. The shaper was at least a 12". Sold for $125. Would loved to have it but it is around 5000lbs, I don't have enough room. I did get the vise, it's around 250-300 lbs.

The Artful Bodger
08-31-2014, 11:57 PM
I wonder how much this one would weigh?

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/317809086.jpg

http://www.trademe.co.nz/business-farming-industry/industrial/manufacturing-metalwork/lathes-accessories/auction-774367536.htm

Toolguy
09-01-2014, 12:06 PM
I would guess about 3500 to 4000 lbs.