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DR
01-26-2015, 10:46 AM
I used to jog quite a bit. But, that was 30 years ago. 10 years ago my weight had crept up a bit so I took up walking around the lake, 3 miles every morning, and cutting out desserts. I managed to drop 25 pounds.

While I was in the weight loss mode I tried jogging and had pain in the left knee enough to make me not want to ever try jogging again. I went to a knee specialist to see what was up. X-rays showed lack of cartilage in the left knee. He said I was the perfect candidate for a knee replacement. He was amazed I wasn't in constant pain. No pain other than when trying to do things like jumping and running. Okay, I decided I could get through life without running so no reason for the surgery.

A few months ago I was at a street fair and spotted a booth manned by a couple of young babes (chiropractors). Their sign said "Do you have mysterious knee pain?". I stopped to talk and said I did have occasional knee pain, no mystery though. Explaining the lack of cartilage, they said they couldn't do anything about the missing cartilage. What they could do was provide me with exercises to strengthen the knee's surrounding muscles to compensate.

Being a cheapskate, when I got home I Googled on knee strengthening exercises and found a nice set to try. After doing the exercises for 6 weeks or so the difference is amazing. Yesterday I went on a long walk and decided to try jogging. I managed about a half mile in short bursts with almost no pain, just a tight feeling in the knee and no pain this morning. I could have jogged longer, but didn't want to push my luck.

The reason I'd rather jog than walk is the difference in work out you get in a given time. Jogging is many times more of a work out than walking.

Looking back, I'm glad now I didn't go for knee surgery (not that I won't have to have it some time in the future).

For anyone considering knee surgery I suggest trying strengthening exercises instead, at least for a short period to see if they help.

michigan doug
01-26-2015, 01:11 PM
May I suggest stairs as an alternative.

Far more effort than walking, perhaps more than even jogging, depending...

Far less impact and jolting to the joint than jogging.

Most houses have some stairs somewhere...

If you don't, buy a plastic "step exerciser" for $25. It's just two steps. Keep it in the living room. Every time a commercial comes on TV, you do the step exercise. Hey! Free exercise in addition to your normal thing.

Every knee is different. If it hurts, don't do it. I'm not that kind of doctor, and this advice is worth what you paid for it...


doug

Black Forest
01-26-2015, 02:03 PM
I trashed my knees quite early in my life. Definitely a candidate for knee replacements. My Dr. told me if I hadn't been riding horses my whole life I more than likely would have had to have my knees replaced several decades ago. Apparently the symmetrical movement while doing the posting trot for several hours a day kept my legs fit to help hold the knees in place better. He told me most people would be in a wheelchair with knees as bad as mine.

So the right kind of exercise does seem to be beneficial.

Black_Moons
01-26-2015, 06:12 PM
I trashed my knees quite early in my life. Definitely a candidate for knee replacements. My Dr. told me if I hadn't been riding horses my whole life I more than likely would have had to have my knees replaced several decades ago. Apparently the symmetrical movement while doing the posting trot for several hours a day kept my legs fit to help hold the knees in place better. He told me most people would be in a wheelchair with knees as bad as mine.

So the right kind of exercise does seem to be beneficial.

Oh sure, Now you tell me the horses I have ridden where troting for my benefit just to make me feel like an ass for hating it and telling them to either walk or gallop all the time eh? :P

Bob Fisher
01-26-2015, 07:11 PM
Not knowing how old you guys are, I'm 79, had both knees replaced about 12 yrs ago. Each one about a year apart. I have been pain free since. The recovery is short term, a couple weeks. Three days after the surgery I was going to the basement to play with my tools. Bob.

Black Forest
01-26-2015, 07:15 PM
Oh sure, Now you tell me the horses I have ridden where troting for my benefit just to make me feel like an ass for hating it and telling them to either walk or gallop all the time eh? :P

There must have been a girl involved for you to ride even though you hated to ride.

oxford
01-26-2015, 07:18 PM
For anyone considering knee surgery I suggest trying strengthening exercises instead, at least for a short period to see if they help.

Any links to the exercises you were doing? I have already had surgery and my knee is still not the same, probably won't ever be.

boslab
01-26-2015, 07:37 PM
I trashed my knees quite early in my life. Definitely a candidate for knee replacements. My Dr. told me if I hadn't been riding horses my whole life I more than likely would have had to have my knees replaced several decades ago. Apparently the symmetrical movement while doing the posting trot for several hours a day kept my legs fit to help hold the knees in place better. He told me most people would be in a wheelchair with knees as bad as mine.

So the right kind of exercise does seem to be beneficial.
Now that you have spotted the niche, why not build an exercise machine to capitalise upon the discovery, I do know first hand how hard it is to do the posting trot aka rising trot over here without the horses natural upward push, get it wrong and your legs will feel like jelly, or jello to those over the pond.
It seems quite plausible to me, especially with the newfound plc and hydraulic pneumatic abilities?
I'm sure a bit of Festo 8mm a few valves and bingo
Worst case scenario it ends up like something from the inquisition, and not a comfy chair!
Last time I spent on a horse I felt like I had dislocated my entire pelvis, but them nasty English saddles are designed for just that.
Mark

Bruce Griffing
01-26-2015, 10:53 PM
I have had knee problems as well. I had knee surgery - but not a replacement. The surgeon removed part of my torn meniscus. He had me riding a stationary bike the day of the surgery. Initially you do it to improve and then to maintain range of motion. Later it becomes an excellent non-impact exercise. I now have no knee problems and ride my bike 30 or more miles a day. Don't jog - ride a bike. Your knees will thank you.

MikeWI
01-26-2015, 11:10 PM
I've had problems with my left knee since I was about 23. I tried seeing a Dr. about it when I was 26 when I got fed up with it, and was told that they didn't see anyone over 25 because by then it was "too late". WTF? Having a poor opinion of Dr.'s in the first place I put up with it until I was in my forties and it was so bad I couldn't get up from a crouch or kneeling position. The Dr. I talked to that time couldn't figure out what the first one was talking about! LOL I had arthroscopic surgery and was back to work very quickly. I worked at a job as an auto service writer so I was constantly moving and the crutches just got in the way so I set them aside!

Only problem was that after a few months the pain was back same as before, and some research revealed that this type of surgery is really a crap-shoot in terms of effectiveness, and isn't considered to be worthwhile by a lot of "experts". I took up knee exercises to strengthen it up (my own idea, didn't know if it would work). Anyway it took about a year, but my knee went back to normal and I've been pain-free ever since (about 10 years).

Black_Moons
01-27-2015, 01:04 AM
There must have been a girl involved for you to ride even though you hated to ride.

I don't hate to ride. I hate it when they trot. If I wanted to ride a jackhammer id rent a jackhammer. Walking is just fine and galloping is just fine. Trotting is too bumpy.

Black Forest
01-27-2015, 03:19 AM
I don't hate to ride. I hate it when they trot. If I wanted to ride a jackhammer id rent a jackhammer. Walking is just fine and galloping is just fine. Trotting is too bumpy.

So there was no woman involved in your riding. Pity! Some horses are really uncomfortable at the trot. Normally it is those that have poor conformation that are uncomfortable at the trot.

Old Hat
01-27-2015, 09:06 AM
I remember no instructions that I could comprehend, but was told to encourage
the horse to transition to a Canter. Finaly came to a point where on some horses
I could do it and others not, complicated when several are on a trail,
and one horse trotting sets the pace.

I wish they could have shown me this. But there was no PC and no net!
http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-canter-on-a-horse

Her words "it must be a very positive and forward thinking transition".
and "you can't have any negativity or backward thinking in your riding".

Just like machining... WoW hey?

DR
01-27-2015, 11:23 AM
These are the exercises I started with, the Level 1.

http://www.whyiexercise.com/knee-exercises.html

Nothing difficult, in fact I wasn't initially convinced they would do any good. After a couple days I started noticing a "loosening" up of my bad knee. If you do each exercise for 10 seconds and repeat 20 times it's a good workout.

Kiwi
01-27-2015, 03:40 PM
Thanks for that DR I'll give it a go nothing to lose

wmgeorge
01-27-2015, 05:11 PM
I have had knee problems as well. I had knee surgery - but not a replacement. The surgeon removed part of my torn meniscus. He had me riding a stationary bike the day of the surgery. Initially you do it to improve and then to maintain range of motion. Later it becomes an excellent non-impact exercise. I now have no knee problems and ride my bike 30 or more miles a day. Don't jog - ride a bike. Your knees will thank you.

I've had two scopes, they last about 5 to 10 years. In between when it gets bad again, I have those Synvisc injections 3 directly in the joint, that will last about 6 months. I really don't want a replacement.... I am going to be 72 in a few months and I have heard mixed results from knee replacements.