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Darrp
02-08-2015, 05:21 PM
Last summer I was motivated to get the shop finished, mainly due to the month my wife and daughter were visiting my mother in law. I wasn’t working, so it gave me some time to get going on it (and other projects I had). Around that time as some deals came up I bought a Chun Hung 400x1100, a HaRo universal grinder and old project mill drill. I now had 3 lathes and 3 mills so this led me to sell my Standard Modern Metric 11x20 and my Tom Senior mill to give me some additional room.

Since then work has been progressing on my shop, all the walls are insulated and sheeted in OSB and I have the heater working. I have been looking at the suggestions for shop layout and planning and I have a rough idea where everything should go and what should be moved to storage in a different stall. I am working on a RPC and then I can get the Chin Hung and the HaRo operational.

I used the search on the site here for “shop layout” ideas and got some good ones. As I was looking at the pictures of guy’s shops, I came across quite a few pics with the lathe and/or mill at an angle which made it difficult to read the make.

I thought I would start a thread on the Lathes and Mills that you currently have in your shop, and maybe add a picture if you can. Are you happy with them? Any comments about them?

I guess I will start...

Standard Modern 11x34 Imperial– I had this at least 12 years, no problems with it. I wish it had a hardened bed and a slightly larger spindle hole. (This pic is before we moved, there is too much stuff in front of it to take a pic now)

http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy16/darren1911/S-Moldshop_zps253058cc.jpg (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/darren1911/media/S-Moldshop_zps253058cc.jpg.html)

Chun Hung 400x1100 – Looks good as far as a lathe can be without power. I need to finish my RPC to get it running. (This pic is when I bought it, there is too much stuff in front of it to take a pic now)

http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy16/darren1911/ChinHung_zps4b0e3d70.jpg (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/darren1911/media/ChinHung_zps4b0e3d70.jpg.html)

Burke Millrite ... Love it, if I were able to change something it would be a slightly longer quill stroke and maybe a fine feed for the quill.

http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy16/darren1911/Millrite_zps680b495f.jpg (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/darren1911/media/Millrite_zps680b495f.jpg.html)

Mill drill ZX-30 project. I bought it for a song, but it sat outside in the weather for 2 years. I have about 20 hours into it so far, but still need at least that that to get her running.

http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy16/darren1911/MillDrill_zpsf173b10e.jpg (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/darren1911/media/MillDrill_zpsf173b10e.jpg.html)

danlb
02-08-2015, 06:19 PM
I only have two mills and two lathes and two welders.

The small stuff;
HF (Harbor Freight) micro mill with the after-market extra length table. The table came with new (imperial) leadscrew. I use it for small quick work. That's a mini-mag flashlight on the 2 inch vice.

http://home.earthlink.net/~dbsweb/micromill1.jpg


Cummings 7x12 lathe. A Sieg import. It has imperial leadscrews on it as part of the leadscrew encoder based DRO. QCTP, of course. It's my go-to lathe for anything under 6 inches long. It's amazing how much work it can do.
http://home.earthlink.net/~dbsweb/latheshade.d/latheclutters.jpg

Lincoln SP100+ MIG welder. Good for gas or flux core up to 1/8 inch in single pass. A craigslist find.

The bigger stuff;
HF 9x20 lathe. Another Seig import, 4 times the weight of the benchtop model. I use this one occasionally for larger diameter or longer work.

Taiwan 6x26 knee mill. Name plate says Standard Machinery Mfg, 1979. VFD drives a 2 HP motor. .0002 "Sino" 3 axis dro. Nearly 6 foot tall and around 1000 lbs. Bought it slightly used. :)

http://home.earthlink.net/~dbsweb/mill/leaningMrWong.jpg

AHP 200 amp Alphatig TIG/stick welder. It's amazing what one can successfully make with a good tig welder with minimal training. Little delicate parts, bigger and sturdier parts.

I have the world's messiest shop, so no pictures.

loose nut
02-08-2015, 06:48 PM
Since you had the Burke why would you want a clapped out mill/drill?

danlb
02-08-2015, 07:07 PM
Since you had the Burke why would you want a clapped out mill/drill?

I can't speak for him, but I find myself using the micro mill, the drill press and the knee mill at various times. Doing a second op without breaking down the setup on the mill can be handy.

Dan

darryl
02-08-2015, 07:39 PM
Small lathe- Unimat DB-200- now converted onto a solid cast bed with dovetails. Home-built motor using super magnets, but with the original armature. The main reason I wanted to upgrade this and keep it is because the head swivels- makes it easy to cut tapers, even fairly long ones. This is a work in progress.

Larger lathe, Advance 8x18. Dc motor now, plus ultra- low rpm drive using a mobility scooter motor and gearbox- final drive using a V belt to a 13 inch diameter pulley on the spindle. Obviously, this is also a dc motor.

Another lathe/mill combo- started as a cast iron Delta wood lathe, and has been beefed up with extra ribbing. Vertical column added- made from the bed extension piece that you could get for these lathes. Dc motor also, microV belt drive. The mill part will be a high speed spindle, direct drive with dc motor. This is also a work in progress.

The mill is a round column- don't even know what make, although that doesn't matter. The name plate has long since been discarded, making way for a downfeed dial indicator. These things are what they are. Mine has been upgraded with a vertical guide bar to keep the head aligned as you crank it up and down, and I've added a power supply and motor drives to the x and y axis. Not CNC- just motors to replace hand cranking.

I really would like a sturdier mill, but it will have to come with it's own shop space- I have none left.

ENTERPRISE LATHE
02-08-2015, 07:59 PM
2-clausing 6300 12x36 lathes, clausing colchester 6500 12x36 lathe, lodge & shipley 12x36 lathe, lodge & shipley 14x36 lathe.
8x36 enco mill, shop fox 10x40 horizontal/vertical mill.
ammco disc,drum brake,flywheel, lathe.
westhoff horizontal drilling milling machine.
16" cincinnati HD shaper, 7" atlas shaper, 7" south bend shaper.
2 delta milwaukee toolmaker surface grinders.
2 mig welders, 2 arc welders.
10x20 wells horizontal bandsaw.
8x24 and a 8x16 kalamazoo horizontal bandsaws.
6x12 marvel horizontal bandsaw.
4x6 and a 7x12 accura hor/vert bandsaws.
6",7",10" pedestal grinders, sellers and lisle drill grinders, accufinish honer, climax portable keymill, 6" carbide grinder.
3 ton arbor press, 30 ton hyd. press.
3 delta milwaukee 17" drill press's one is the bench type,2 are floor models one has the power feed attachment, the other has the slow speed attachment.
craftsman 15" floor model drill press, craftsman 34" radial drill press, 2 delta rockwell 15" 6+6 bench model drill press's, 2 15" delta rockwell bench model drill press's, a newer style delta rockwell 17" floor model drill press under restoration. pro turn 34" radial arm drill.
12" craftsman,12" dayton,14" peerless, 14" keller power hacksaws.
oster pipe threader, 14" powermatic vertical wood'metal bandsaw.
I didn't have enough time to post all this before.

bob308
02-08-2015, 08:00 PM
in my shop;
14 1/2" southbend with 8' bed 250 amp Hobart water cooled tig welder
9" south bend with 4' bed 250 amp miller mig welder
9x42 enco vertical mill bought new 225 amp Lincoln gas drive stick welder
clausing 6 x 24 vertical mill
burke 8 x 36 horizontal mill
12" Vernon shaper
6 x18 jones and shipmen surface grinder

Steve Middleton
02-08-2015, 08:47 PM
Shop Fox 12 x 36 lathe and 9 x 49 mill with X/Y DRO and added Z Igage. Two bandsaws, grinders, etc, etc. The good news is I HOPE to retire and move this from my business to home where I can putter:)

Darrp
02-08-2015, 09:15 PM
Since you had the Burke why would you want a clapped out mill/drill?

I bought it mostly to use as a drill press, my DP is a smaller undersized Craftsman. I thought this would make pretty good drill press. I sold the Tom Senior because it had a fixed quill, so you had to move the table up or down.

mars-red
02-08-2015, 09:18 PM
I have a Hobart Handler 135 welder that comes in handy from time to time (really great to use when I do need it, been very happy with it), a Delta benchtop drill press that runs too fast to really use the chuck capacity that it has (for drilling steel, at least), a Little Machine Shop HiTorque mini mill (square dove-tailed column mill drill) with non-tilting column and 20TPI leadscrew conversions on both table axes, Rivett 8" Precision lathe (the 608, before they called it the 608)... back geared, power cross feed, adjustable automatic carriage stop, running it with a VFD for the variable speed... absolutely fantastic machine, I take any excuse I can to make chips with it. I also have a Sincere 8mm watchmaker's lathe, with tons of accessories (including a milling/grinding/gear cutting attachment)... it's also been a great little machine that I really enjoy using. One of my favorite non-machines in the shop is a Barska stereoscopic microscope, it's wonderful for doing really small work and removing splinters. :)

I haven't had the LMS mini mill very long yet, but I've used it a fair amount so far and I like it a lot. It's very capable for its size. So far my only complaint with it is the huge amount of backlash in the fine downfeed mechanism... it's not a problem at all during use, just a constant reminder of its Chinese-ness. I do wish I had ordered the power feed add-on with it when I bought it. That will probably be my next shop purchase.

Here some pics I have to hand. First, the mini mill... not the best angle to really see what it's like, but we all know them pretty well anyhow:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RLX8I3VkLO8/VLXVkIHJlnI/AAAAAAAAHyw/iz_o0o0CVKw/s1024/20150113_213237.jpg

My baby, the Rivett 8" Precision:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-J9OFFyNjnrg/VFFv1Xzp7dI/AAAAAAAAHsg/Evi_J9dESv4/s912/changegear%2520rack%25201.jpg

The watchmaker's lathe... shown with the milling/grinding/gear cutting attachment set up:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fBoBops9ea4/VEHToCpX4ZI/AAAAAAAACeQ/cKtSOb0RVWQ/s1024/belt-rack-2.jpg

I don't have any computer controls or digital readouts on anything. I might consider DRO for the little mill sometime in the future, though.

Darrp
02-08-2015, 09:19 PM
Larger lathe, Advance 8x18. Dc motor now, plus ultra- low rpm drive using a mobility scooter motor and gearbox- final drive using a V belt to a 13 inch diameter pulley on the spindle. Obviously, this is also a dc motor.

Darryl, how did you do the DC conversion? I used a DC treadmill motor for a lathe once and was not happy with the power at the higher speeds.
-Darren-

darryl
02-08-2015, 11:03 PM
'Darryl, how did you do the DC conversion?'

I used the original spindle pulley, then made a jackshaft to be direct driven by a treadmill motor. The idea was to somewhat isolate the motor from the lathe bed for lower vibration. I wasn't happy with that, partially because the jackshaft was too long and gave rise to vibrations on its own, and partly because there wasn't enough power. Then I cut the jackshaft short and added another reduction of about 1.3 to 1 to the motor, which is now mounted off the lathe completely- although both share the bench for their mountings. The scooter motor is also mounted on the bench. I don't keep the 13 inch pulley mounted- I only attach it if I need the ultra low speed. For the most part, I keep the original drive belt on the highest reduction, which is the largest pulley on the spindle and the smallest on the jackshaft.

A rough calculation shows that I'm about 7 to 1 from the motor to the spindle, so I'd have to run the motor at 7000 rpm to get 1000 at the spindle. My power supply is capable of about 100 volts dc at the highest, so the end result is I get about 950 or so rpm on the spindle tops. For the most part I run slower than that. If I do want a higher speed, I change the original belt to the next step on the pulley. I almost never do that.

The dc is derived from a transformer with multiple taps, feeding through a bridge rectifier and with a good sized capacitor added. This much is home built, including winding the transformer and making the multi-position switch. There is an output switch which is the reversing switch also. I had to make a swing-away stop so I wouldn't go into reverse every time I stopped the motor.

Arcane
02-08-2015, 11:37 PM
I have two 9" South Bend lathes...one with 48" bed and one with 54" bed, both with QC, an old 9" (?) Atlas with 42" bed that needs a lot of work to get running and some unknown brand that has a bed reminiscent of a SB in the ways but it's very lightweight, it has an 8' bed but three people can pick it up (barely). Got it cheap and it has a 2 1/2" through hole in the spindle; previous owner was going to use it as a wood lathe. I'm also part owner in a big old 20" Sebastian lathe with 8' bed and for mills I have a BP clone with a 9" by 49" table.

danlb
02-09-2015, 12:09 AM
Speaking of wood...

Along with the metal working machinery I occasionally work on wood. I have a floor standing drill press with 17 inch swing with a spindle with enough travel to drill a 4 - 1/2 inch long pen blank. To go along with that is a Delta midi-lathe (10 inch swing, 16 inch between centers) for making pens and otherwise playing with wood.

Dan

Deus Machina
02-09-2015, 01:27 AM
I started off with an HF mini-mill and a MicroMark (same as an HF model, but 14" instead of 10" or 12") lathe.
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo357/MathU41/machinesli2.jpg

Then I upgraded the lathe to a Grizzly G0609
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo357/MathU41/dscn1009.jpg

That's the same benchtop.
The tax return after the lathe, I updated the mill to a Grizzly G0704, which can almost fit the entire mini machine into, with the mini at its minimum and Grizzly at its max.
Plus it came with its own stand, which was sorely needed at that point.

Doc Nickel
02-09-2015, 03:22 AM
10x32" Sheldon, 11x24" Logan, 16x56" Springfield lathes, Grizzly Bridgeport clone (one of the good Taiwanese models) older Jet mill-drill, Nichols horizontal mills. Arboga gearhead, Rockford 'camelback' and older Craftsman drill presses. Republic-Lagun surface grinder. MIG, TIG, stock, gas and spot welders, 12 grinders from a couple cheap 6" imports up to an 8" Baldor and a 12" Queen City. Two shapers, 40-ton hydraulic press, tap and countersink grinder, drill grinder, parts washer, bead-blast cabinet, two anvils, Wells bandsaw, about two dozen vises and a Hotsy pressure washer.

... What was the question again? :)

Doc.

MrFluffy
02-09-2015, 03:46 AM
Harrison L5a, 1965 and all manual though its had a metric dial conversion as a lot of these old beasts did when the UK went metric.
http://gallery.pipandphil.com/d/37394-1/workshop_harrison_insitu.jpeg

Arno universal mill, it has a DRO fitted since but pretty much everything else as this shot apart from that. It has quite a lot of work capacity for a smaller machine, power feed to all axis and the horizontal and vertical spindles are both iso 40 standard so quite a decent thing to have around. No quill though. Slightly oddball is that its italian, has metric scales on the handles, but the power feed gearbox is in imperial.
http://gallery.pipandphil.com/d/37418-1/workshop_mill_final.jpeg

Bridgeport interact cnc mill, just finishing off the conversion to linuxcnc with new steppers etc. I converted it to vfd + kept the back gear for low speed work in place of the varihead they came with, and if you look at how close it is to the celing its apparent why.
http://gallery.pipandphil.com/d/38635-1/head_clearance.jpg

I'm after a small benchtop lathe with plain bearings next to put in my box trailer for a small workshop away from home next, plain bearings so the rattling round doesn't brinell the races.

A.K. Boomer
02-09-2015, 07:10 AM
I'm after a small benchtop lathe with plain bearings next to put in my box trailer for a small workshop away from home next, plain bearings so the rattling round doesn't brinell the races.


plain bearings are a heck of a sacrifice esp. on something small - shame you cant wind up a timer on the chuck or something that lasts for many hours whilst your traveling - or even chuck up some kind of homemade one way inertia device that slightly rotates the chuck every time you hit a bump

the bearings will do just fine as long as they can catch a break and reposition themselves --- it's the constant fretting in one position under load that brinells, it moves the lubricant away from the contact patch and then the trouble starts...

flylo
02-09-2015, 08:23 AM
I only have too............................................... ........damn many or just ebough, depends on the day.

mrriggs
02-09-2015, 12:10 PM
This is an older picture but the layout hasn't changed much.

http://www.gofastforless.com/junk/Shop1-13.jpg

The benchtop machines are along the wall; 10" Atlas Lathe, Duro (Benchmaster) vertical mill, Cincinnati (Canedy-Otto) Royal 16 drill press.

The big machines are in the center of the shop; Kempsmith Maximiller #2 horizontal mill, Warner & Swasey #3 turret lathe.

MikeL46
02-09-2015, 12:16 PM
A Lagun mill (if you aren't familiar with Lagun, it is like a BP only about 20% bigger), an ENCO 13x36 lathe and a Sears (Sherline) lathe.

The Lagun cost $2000 20+ years ago. And it probably cost another $4000 in addon items (DRO, right angle head, BP shaper head, rotary table, etc.).

Mike

Rex
02-09-2015, 02:16 PM
OK, I'll play

Currently in use or ready to use:
lathes Grizzly 12x37, Logan 9x28, Logan PM 11x30,
Mills Millrite PM 8x36, Centex 6x26
Craftsman 15 DP
Marvel 612 band saw
Jet 4x6 bandsaw
Jet 14" vertical bandsaw

Current Projects:
Atlas 618 lathe
Clausing mill w/BP M-head
Benchmaster mill
Harding BB4 horizontal mill
Atlas 7B shaper
Jet 20" DP
Sherline mill CNC

Some photos
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c196/rburkheimer/Machines/th_00404_jJqnyLJ6PsW_600x450.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/rburkheimer/media/Machines/00404_jJqnyLJ6PsW_600x450.jpg.html)
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c196/rburkheimer/Machines/th_img0.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/rburkheimer/media/Machines/img0.jpg.html)
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c196/rburkheimer/Machines/th_IMG_3983.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/rburkheimer/media/Machines/IMG_3983.jpg.html)
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c196/rburkheimer/th_IMG_5093-1.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/rburkheimer/media/IMG_5093-1.jpg.html)

Rex
02-09-2015, 02:16 PM
A few morehttp://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c196/rburkheimer/th_IMG_2031.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/rburkheimer/media/IMG_2031.jpg.html)http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c196/rburkheimer/Machines/th_IMG_2172.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/rburkheimer/media/Machines/IMG_2172.jpg.html)http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c196/rburkheimer/Machines/th_6a096730.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/rburkheimer/media/Machines/6a096730.jpg.html)
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c196/rburkheimer/Machines/th_0bc5d76d.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/rburkheimer/media/Machines/0bc5d76d.jpg.html)

A.K. Boomer
02-09-2015, 02:38 PM
I'm after a small benchtop lathe with plain bearings next to put in my box trailer for a small workshop away from home next, plain bearings so the rattling round doesn't brinell the races.

Thinking on this a little more and came up with a totally cheap and trouble free solution for you,

buy a little 1/2" roller clutch for under 5 bucks, press it into whatever is needed ID wise to make it's OD fit - not much interference fit needed just use loc-tite - the total OD of other piece is say 1", this will allow you to clamp the roller tight without deformation...

now chuck this piece up in your lathes chuck,

then bend a 1ft long piece of 1/2" precision ground to a 90 degree elbow - you can favor one side more than the other, take the long side and weld a large nut to it, now stab short end of 1/2" precision ground into roller clutch that's being held in chuck, attach a screw to the ceiling of trailer right above chuck, run a nylon cord almost all the way to chuck - install appropriate size spring or even rubber band that lifts the elbow to the horizontal position,,, done deal

mark chuck with chalk - go for 1 mile test drive, come back and see that it's moved by a great deal,

send AK private message thanking him, if he has the time maybe he'll reply back - if not don't take offense he's probably just out helping someone else at the time cuz that's his life - it's what he does. :p (besides being a smart arss)

Doc Nickel
02-09-2015, 03:22 PM
I have an even easier solution: Take the chuck off when travelling. The weight of the spindle alone should be light enough it'd take a pretty massive impact to damage the headstock bearings.

Although in reality, unless you do a great deal of driving on heavily-rutted and potholed gravel roads, and at high speeds, the impacts aren't going to be sufficient to brinell the bearings. That is, assuming your trailer has any kind of suspension- and if it doesn't, you have more to worry about than headstock bearings anyway. :D

Doc.

A.K. Boomer
02-09-2015, 04:44 PM
Doc it's really not the impact loads, it's more just the constant pressure in one spot without relieve and a slight josseling but not enough to rotate anything - like I stated it removes the lubrication protection between the two parts and then the metal to metal fretting starts to produce ruts,,, all that's really needed is vibrations and stagnation with slight load...

they used to carry cars on trains with the wheels on the train car, wheel bearings of course fully designed for supporting the weight of the car and coupled to the cars suspension that never really gets worked during the entire trip - yet the brand new cars would show up at the dealer with trashed wheel bearings...

Doc Nickel
02-09-2015, 04:53 PM
I'd heard similar stories, but again, without the weight of the chuck, the load on the spindle bearings is minimal on a small lathe. I strongly doubt it'd be any kind of an issue unless he tows the trailer tens of thousands of miles a year.

Doc.

A.K. Boomer
02-09-2015, 05:15 PM
it would certainly be the way to go verses doing nothing - I don't know what kind of mass they have on the drive side so won't comment, unless the drive side has a belt attached with load then your back to square one --- but chuck or no chuck if you kept it rotating it would never be an issue...

Rosco-P
02-09-2015, 06:15 PM
The U.S. Army had truck mounted shops with lathes, etc. in them. How did they do it?

A.K. Boomer
02-09-2015, 06:57 PM
Probably something like this every 4 or 5 miles

"Sir, --- permission to stop the truck and rotate the chucks Sir"

peekaboobus
02-09-2015, 07:15 PM
All manual machines so far.

J Tiers
02-09-2015, 08:14 PM
I'm not admitting to anything. Nope..... I'm not admitting how many lathes, how many mills, nor how many drill presses there are.

BUT, I'll happily state that there are no two alike out of the lot. Not even the same brands nor sizes.

Yow Ling
02-09-2015, 11:36 PM
I just buy things that I like the look of, not too analytical

Great British
Smart and brown lathe
Ward 2a capstan lathe

Italian
Induma 1S mill

German
Meuser M0 lathe

checz BR20 surface grinder

Russian
Stroj tool and cutter grinder

3of them I got on the same day from a factory relocation

RichR
02-09-2015, 11:58 PM
Atlas 10" lathe with 54" bed made in 1940
http://i61.tinypic.com/wlf7o1.jpg
Enco round column mill with 8" x 28" table made in 1986
http://i59.tinypic.com/1693q6g.jpg
Power hacksaw with no markings to indicate manufacturer or model, uses a 10" blade
http://i62.tinypic.com/51vevb.jpg

thaiguzzi
02-10-2015, 02:57 AM
Can i play too?
# 1969 9" Boxford VSL lathe, fully tooled.
# 1973 Tom Senior M1 horizontal mill with the rare vertical quill feed head.
# 1979 8" Boxford shaper.
# Stent T&CG, fully tooled.
# Creusen polisher and linisher.
# Wolfe 8" bench grinder.
# Denbigh power hacksaw.
# Migatronic mig welder, compressor, small blast cabinet, degreasing tank and the usual other common stuff.

Roger Williams
02-10-2015, 05:16 AM
Hardinge HLVH
DSG 13/30
Elliott 10M
Emco F1P

Yukon
02-10-2015, 12:11 PM
1941 sheldon 10x24 metal worker lathe
15 " Ridgid drill press
Small 10" power hack saw
Anvil, forge, and BFH

justanengineer
02-10-2015, 06:13 PM
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/10/42b5c22179143fa146015fa206e3a036.jpg
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paul463
02-10-2015, 08:34 PM
1978 Millrite MVN and a 1979 Jet 1024P
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s48/paulz463/jet%20lathe%20decals/IMG_20150210_180839371_zpsdrgzfbx1.jpg (http://s149.photobucket.com/user/paulz463/media/jet%20lathe%20decals/IMG_20150210_180839371_zpsdrgzfbx1.jpg.html)