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jdunmyer
02-26-2015, 06:58 PM
My $10.00 caliper began messing up, jumping .200 every now and again. Sooo... time to get a Mitutoyo! Enco had their free shipping and 15% off the other day, so I ordered this: http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=337-1114&PMPXNO=28071945&PARTPG=INLMK32 Frankly, it appears as though much of it will interchange with my $10.00 unit, I'm pretty sure the battery cover is the same. However, it lacks a thumbwheel, which the $10.00 one has. Plus, it has an "Init" button that apparently sets absolute zero or something, but it doesn't work.

I think I'm going to send it back, but which one should I get? I'm looking at this: http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=328-0873&PMPXNO=25219011&PARTPG=INLMK32 Is this what I want?

At any rate, the one I have is going back to Enco.

boslab
02-26-2015, 07:00 PM
The init or zero on my new one wouldn't work, till I read the instructions and found it had to me held in for a couple of seconds, annoying
Mark

loose nut
02-26-2015, 07:07 PM
The second one looks like the IP67 Digimatic, I bought one recently and it is freekin' Awesome

dalee100
02-26-2015, 07:30 PM
Hi,

I owned a Mit solar caliper. Sold it and won't make that mistake again. But my battery powered Mit Digimatic is rock solid.

Dalee

Toolguy
02-26-2015, 07:31 PM
The IP67 is about as good as it gets.

jdunmyer
02-26-2015, 07:49 PM
Is that IP67 a Mitutoyo number?

oldtiffie
02-26-2015, 08:08 PM
Yes.

https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Is+that+IP67+a+Mitutoyo+number%3F+

Toolguy
02-26-2015, 08:18 PM
As I understand, the IP67 is a standard as to how water or coolant resistant a tool is. There are other similar numbers.

TN Pat
02-26-2015, 09:12 PM
I put my full recommendation behind those calipers... I may get flack for saying this, but I have verified that that same model of caliper that I own, measures within .0005" of any dimension, in all four methods of measurement with a caliper. Measure a gage block, it's on; measure an ID, compare with a tri-mike, dial bore gage, etc., it's on; step, measuring a gage block up from a surface plate, it's there... really amazing for calipers, even Mits. I may not use them when +/- .001 matters out of principle, but just for giggles I did indeed verify its accuracy, in a shop environment.

Your results may vary! But probably not.

Let me add this - the coolant-proof aspect is very important. It's not just coolant, it's any sort of oil, liquid, or dirt. A coworker had some 8" Brown & Sharpe Value-Line digital calipers, I borrowed them for a moment to check a saw cut, and happened to get just a bit of coolant on the beam, transferred from my hand. I about had to buy him new calipers - they started acting all kinds of funny. Fortunately, changing the battery and letting them dry made things better; but it was a lesson learned. All digital instruments I ever purchase will be IP67 coolant-proof.

oldtiffie
02-26-2015, 09:24 PM
My $10.00 caliper began messing up, jumping .200 every now and again. Sooo... time to get a Mitutoyo! Enco had their free shipping and 15% off the other day, so I ordered this: http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=337-1114&PMPXNO=28071945&PARTPG=INLMK32 Frankly, it appears as though much of it will interchange with my $10.00 unit, I'm pretty sure the battery cover is the same. However, it lacks a thumbwheel, which the $10.00 one has. Plus, it has an "Init" button that apparently sets absolute zero or something, but it doesn't work.

I think I'm going to send it back, but which one should I get? I'm looking at this: http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=328-0873&PMPXNO=25219011&PARTPG=INLMK32 Is this what I want?

At any rate, the one I have is going back to Enco.

Do you really think that is about all you should expect as you paid $10 for it and that would have included all profit for all parties between the manufacturer, distributor, retailer, transport etc.

The end margin would need to be very "thin" at best.

What will it cost you to send back to Enco?

lakeside53
02-26-2015, 09:52 PM
As I understand, the IP67 is a standard as to how water or coolant resistant a tool is. There are other similar numbers.

exactly... nothing to do with Mitutoyo other than they meet the spec and say so.

lakeside53
02-26-2015, 09:54 PM
What will it cost you to send back to Enco?

Nothing if it's faulty. They either send a prepaid shipping label or tell you to keep it.

Fasttrack
02-26-2015, 10:02 PM
Yes.

https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Is+that+IP67+a+Mitutoyo+number%3F+

No.

IP67 is a standard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code

IP67 means that it is protected from water ingress when submerged between 15cm and 1 meter depth and is completely sealed from dust.

PStechPaul
02-26-2015, 10:54 PM
The Enco site seems to be down. I'm getting "account access error" even on the home page.

My cheap HF calipers started reading exactly half the correct value, but a fresh battery fixed it.

RichR
02-26-2015, 11:19 PM
The Enco site seems to be down. I'm getting "account access error" even on the home page.
I've had that happen. There's an Enco cookie in your browsers cache that's tripping it up.

PStechPaul
02-26-2015, 11:33 PM
Thanks. It works OK in Firefox, but I've been using IE10 for about a week with good performance, whereas Firefox had been getting progressively slower until it hung up and I had to close it and reopen the session. I guess I need to clear the cache and cookies in IE.

I see that the "affordable" "MyCal Lite" version of Mitutoyo has an accuracy of only 0.005" and a resolution of only 0.1 mm with 0.2 mm accuracy. That's pretty bad for $100+ calipers, and it looks like they come in a lousy blister pack like the toy versions. These seem to be Mitu-TOY-o! :rolleyes:

jdunmyer
02-27-2015, 09:09 AM
Oldtiffie,
I'm not sure you read my message correctly: when my $10.00 caliper started messing up, I bought a $100.00 Mitutoyo from Enco. It appears to be faulty, and that's what I'm returning. I got the $10.00 unit from someone at the NAMES show, IIRC.

Frankly, this whole deal of "value priced" stuff vs. "name brand" has me very perplexed and P.O.'d. I have a couple of those $10.00 calipers and one of those sets of Chinese mics, 1" -> 6". Bought the latter from J&L when they had a store in Toledo; the box was damaged and the set was sold to me for $50.00. All of them work fine, until the one caliper started messing up recently.

OTOH: I have a $150.00 B&S digital caliper that went to pot very soon after I got it. It locks up, etc, and is useless. I also have a Mitutoyo 1" electronic mic that eats batteries, they last only a month or 2.

There is no doubt in my mind that SOME of the name brand stuff is better than the typical Value Priced crap, but there's no guarantees. Actually, I almost think that parts from the new Mitutoyo caliper will interchange with my $10.00 outfit. As far as that goes, the Mit has a problem out of the box, and I've been using the cheapo for probably 4 or 5 years. Name brand mics are smoother and much easier to read than those Chinese things mentioned above, but for $8.00/each, I've found them to be useful.

So, back to the original problem: Which Mitutoyo caliper should I get when I return this POS?

loose nut
02-27-2015, 11:51 AM
If you can afford them stick to the Mit Digimatic IP 67. Regular Digimatic, not the LITE version, is good but not water resistant.

JCHannum
02-27-2015, 01:39 PM
Aparently Enco does not offer the plain old Mitutoyo Digimatic. I have had one of these forwell over five years, I cannot remember how long, but purchased used at auction for $10.00 and they keep on going.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001C0ZPNO/ref=biss_dp_t_asn

Royldean
02-27-2015, 01:50 PM
Aparently Enco does not offer the plain old Mitutoyo Digimatic. I have had one of these forwell over five years, I cannot remember how long, but purchased used at auction for $10.00 and they keep on going.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001C0ZPNO/ref=biss_dp_t_asn

I have two of these, and can't complain.

JRouche
02-27-2015, 02:19 PM
Caliper, calipers, calipers!!! LOL I like-em. Nice for a quick easy number. I have way too many in my garage. So here is a group of some, many others reside on a machine or elsewhere in the shop. Don't think I could find them all, kinda like tape measures, they must root out some hiding place that Ill never discover..

Real quick. The batteries? They are "OK". But the correct battery is the silver oxide SL44. These were cheap, something like 10 bucks for 50. And they are legit Maxell. So anyway... Get that off the table before I get hate mail Hahaaa.

A small diverse group of mostly Chinese, maybe ALL Chinese. I don't have ANY issue with that. They all work great, or they would not still be around. most have been with me for years....

The mit is like has been said, very kind with the batteries. Maybe cause when you hit the off button it actually turns off? Who knows, the fowler is also good with the electrons..

Notice the fowler?? Yeah, its some crazy metric/decimal/fraction gidgit. Kinda handy actually. Math is not my worst subject, its non-existent. Never got past +, -, * and /......

Real handy and still used in my garage are the ones missing the digital screen, very good on batteries also... I have several in the round dial arrangement and the linear scale version. I keep one of the simple ones right with the round stock rack for quick pickin...

I have a few 12" and a couple 24" also. The 24" has extra long jaws?? Is that what they are called.. And don't forget yer divider calipers.... Supper handy, specially when you need to get "around" something. No pics of mine, four picture limit....

Anyway.. Calipers.... When a mic is just too far away Hahaaaa.... JR

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x461/_GLE_/HSM/calipers/cals1_zpsg11gjqpy.jpg (http://s1183.photobucket.com/user/_GLE_/media/HSM/calipers/cals1_zpsg11gjqpy.jpg.html)

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x461/_GLE_/HSM/calipers/cals2_zpshs4xrbo6.jpg (http://s1183.photobucket.com/user/_GLE_/media/HSM/calipers/cals2_zpshs4xrbo6.jpg.html)

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x461/_GLE_/HSM/calipers/cals3_zpsmutfrbfv.jpg (http://s1183.photobucket.com/user/_GLE_/media/HSM/calipers/cals3_zpsmutfrbfv.jpg.html)

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x461/_GLE_/HSM/calipers/cals4_zpsoutteewc.jpg (http://s1183.photobucket.com/user/_GLE_/media/HSM/calipers/cals4_zpsoutteewc.jpg.html)

brian Rupnow
02-27-2015, 03:50 PM
I have been burned so many times by electronic digital calipers that I no longer use them. I have gone back to mechanical analog calipers and a pair of mechanical micrometers. I only use the calipers for layout work. If I really want to measure something that is a critical mate to another part, I use one of my micrometers.

flylo
02-27-2015, 04:38 PM
That's funny I just got the same one today & was so dissapointed as it looks just like my HF one with no case. I thnk I'll just send it back as I haven't had any problems with the HF ones. Poor business practice for Mitutoyo IMHO.

Fasttrack
02-27-2015, 04:40 PM
The Enco site seems to be down. I'm getting "account access error" even on the home page.

My cheap HF calipers started reading exactly half the correct value, but a fresh battery fixed it.

There should be an easily overlooked link in that message that says "sign in again" or something to that effect. Click the link and the problem will disappear. Very annoying but it happens to me all the time!

flylo
02-27-2015, 04:51 PM
I just called enco & got an rma#. They will refund my original shipping cost as I bought mine with the 25% off. Good service from enco.

oldtiffie
02-27-2015, 05:14 PM
I have been burned so many times by electronic digital calipers that I no longer use them. I have gone back to mechanical analog calipers and a pair of mechanical micrometers. I only use the calipers for layout work. If I really want to measure something that is a critical mate to another part, I use one of my micrometers.

As a matter of habit I check my digital measuring stuff regularly - and always before I start a job with them - even for those "one-off" and "quickie" measuring jobs.

Its rarely that I have problem but if or when I do I usually catch it before it can be showing a wrong size and causing any "drama/s". In other words I use my measuring gear/tools as "comparators". Anything will do as a reference - I use the job itself or slip gauges or micrometer gauges.

New batteries fix most "faults" - any more than that and the "bin" gets them and I buy a new one.

One of my suppliers is only about 3 miles from here - so its usually only half an hour or more to there and back.

All of mine are well out of warranty period (12 months here in OZ) so there is no point in trying to "return" it for replacement.