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shoprat
06-28-2015, 01:03 PM
Hi again I know this is way off topic, and probably state specific

I just happened to notice my D/L expired (in march!) and being prone to anxiety I am sitting here wondering what to expect
I will be going there Monday morning and I am hopeing it is just a fine and nothing else (like road test or suspension etc.)

Anybody have this happen? They used to send out a notification in the past,must have quit doing that I guess. Like I said I am very prone to anxiety
so I am expecting the worst!! I live in twin cities mn if that helps. could use some advice Thanks for any help

Ps I have not had any tickets for at least 25 years

Mike Burdick
06-28-2015, 01:09 PM
They're not going to fine you, but most likely you'll have to take the written and eye tests again.

I suppose one can find that information here...

http://www.dmv.org/mn-minnesota/renew-license.php



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shoprat
06-28-2015, 01:32 PM
Thanks Mike, yes I did look at that sight before posting. It does say they may require testing,guess since I have to take off work tomorow I was just hopeing for a fine so I can keep driving right away. Thanks again for the quick response. The eye test is standard here when you renew but at 59 not sure about passing a written without studying! And that would meen no driving to work until I take the test right?

JRouche
06-28-2015, 01:38 PM
Yeah, I dont think it is a violation to let your DL expire (unless you are driving). Unlike a car (here in Cal), where if you don't register it current for the road or a planned non-operational status you will be fined. More accurately the car will be fined. I think you are fine, try not to stress.. JR

Mike Burdick
06-28-2015, 01:45 PM
I let mine expire and had to take the test. They told me answers to the ones I got wrong and that was the end of that. The questions that usually one errors on are not about driving but are on alcohol blood limits, etc.

ahidley
06-28-2015, 01:47 PM
How are you gettin there? If you drive there then you deserve a ticket.

shoprat
06-28-2015, 01:50 PM
Thanks JRouche ! I do worry a lot about these things and then it just sno-balls out of control!! I can live with a fine,but need to be able to get to work hopefully after this tomorrow,get a half day in at least. Anxiety has been a lifetime fight for me so thanks for the calming advice :-)

shoprat
06-28-2015, 01:53 PM
no won't be driving there!

lwalker
06-28-2015, 02:08 PM
Not a problem here in MN. Mine expired last year and I didn't notice for two months until I got carded: there's a liquor store (coincidentally right next to the local license center!) that cards everyone regardless of age. I went next door to the license center, paid the fee for a new license, had my photo taken and was out of there in 10 minutes. No fine: the lady just said she hoped it wasn't an officer that noticed my license expired and we laughed about that.

Technically, you can be fined if you're pulled over, but I've heard most cops let it slide if it expired within a month or so because people do forget.

lwalker
06-28-2015, 02:09 PM
How are you gettin there? If you drive there then you deserve a ticket.

Seriously? He's no worse a driver now than before it expired. Why the hell would that be worth a ticket?

Mike Amick
06-28-2015, 02:19 PM
+1 you maybe should have said "you might get a ticket" .. not deserve one.

shoprat
06-28-2015, 02:27 PM
Thanks Iwalker, that sounds better than my scenario (thrown in prison for life!!) I was wondering if because it was expired if I had to go to the police
station/courthouse or if I could go to one of the licencse centers (shorter walk !) to take care of it Thanks again

mklotz
06-28-2015, 02:53 PM
You can avoid future stressors like this by getting a calendar program for your computer (or annoying smart phone) and setting it up to remind you a month or so ahead of time of expirations such as licenses, passports, etc..

PStechPaul
06-28-2015, 03:07 PM
Except that driver's licenses and such often have five year renewals and most computers or phones don't last that long. You might be able to set up a cron job (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron)on a Linux/Unix server to send you an email reminder or do other things to jog your memory.

Here are some long term reminders, but I don't know if they work for 5 year periods:

http://appcrawlr.com/ios-apps/best-apps-long-term-reminders?q=long+term+reminders&query=best-apps-long-term-reminders&deviceSeo=iphone%2Cipad&prefix=top-apps&action=seoProcess&controller=app&&_rv=1

http://multi-reminders.software.informer.com/

http://download.cnet.com/Efficient-Reminder-Free/3000-2124_4-10921373.html

Willy
06-28-2015, 03:18 PM
They used to send out a notification in the past,must have quit doing that I guess.



Apparently they still are.
From the link (http://www.dmv.org/mn-minnesota/renew-license.php) that Mike Burdick left in post #2.



The Minnesota Driver and Vehicle Services (DVS) department will mail you a renewal notice for your MN driver’s license before it expires. You will still be able to legally drive as long as you renew on or before the expiration date.



Hey I know the feeling though.
Sitting in my car during a blizzard a few years waiting for my wife to come out of the store I was reminded by someone parked behind me that my vehicle license and insurance had expired about a month ago!
Talk about a nerve wracking 25 mile drive home.:o

v860rich
06-28-2015, 03:29 PM
Mine expired a few years ago without me realizing it.
I went to DVM office the morning after I noticed it was expired, handed the girl my expired license. She started typing and then said Oh Oh, I told her I didn't want to hear Oh Oh and what was the problem. In Mo if your license is more than 6 mos expired you have to take written and road test, and mine was like 9 mos. out of date.
I just kept driving until I could get to a testing station which was a couple days later.
I took the written and the driving test one after the other, without any study of a book. My thought was that after driving for 50 years most of the answers would come from experience, and I was correct.
Got 100% on written and passed the road portion without any problems!!!
I asked the test guy on the road portion what my score was and was told they only pass or fail, no % is given.
So don't sweat the small stuff!!!

THANX RICH

shoprat
06-28-2015, 03:48 PM
yea I read the link but I never did get a notice, still my fault I know! I was mostly concerned about not having a valid license because they can be backlogged for testing and I would have no way to get to work and back.(not their concern I know!) I'm going to try not to think about it till tomorrow but my brain does't work that way so thats why I came here!!

mklotz
06-28-2015, 03:55 PM
Except that driver's licenses and such often have five year renewals and most computers or phones don't last that long.


Reasonable calendar programs by long-term suppliers, e.g., Mozilla's Lightning, will have calendar import/export functions. Also, not everyone needs to have the latest rhinestone-encrusted geegaw advertised as a must-have by electronics peddlers.

TGTool
06-28-2015, 04:24 PM
In all the pandemonium after 9/11 my state passed a law that if you let your license expire you have to show a birth certificate to get it reinstated. This was intended to squeeze all the terrorists out of the woodwork and nab them when they tried to renew. What a joke! But I did inadvertently let mine expire so I had the whole PITA process to get it back. More legislation to show that legislators are on the ball and that they actually do something while they hang out in the capital drinking coffee and logging donations from corporate interests. If they stuck their thumb back in and went back to sleep I'm not sure we'd be worse off. Can you tell I'm cynical?

gellfex
06-28-2015, 04:30 PM
Reasonable calendar programs by long-term suppliers, e.g., Mozilla's Lightning, will have calendar import/export functions. Also, not everyone needs to have the latest rhinestone-encrusted geegaw advertised as a must-have by electronics peddlers.

Plain old free online MS Outlook will do this. I've been pretty happy with the way it holds all my contacts in the cloud from phone to phone, and synchs it with the free desktop "Windows Live Mail" app I use for email. I don't use the calendar much, but it'll do this job.

If you move to NJ they make you take the written test again, regardless of the standing of your licence. Personally, I think they should make people take the written every 5 years. No one around here even knows what to do at a multiway stop sign. Blinking lights bring total chaos.

sarge41
06-28-2015, 07:47 PM
This reminds me of the time years ago when we were planning a trip to Canada. I purchased extra auto insurance so as to be compliant with Canadian requirements. Drove from Indiana to Toronto, all over Toronto and then back to Port Huron and back into the States. Then thru several states before getting home. Couple of weeks later, I wrote a check for something. The clerk ask to see identification, you guessed it, license had expired a couple of months earlier.

Sarge

John Stevenson
06-28-2015, 09:08 PM
Once you pass a test here, UK, the car / bike license is good until you are 70 then it's a medical and renew every 5 years.

Heavy goods is medical and renew every 5 years from the start.

Vehicle tax is now on line as well as going to the post office. Post office way is to present all documents but on line can check MOT and insurance instantly and renew by card.

From last year they also scrapped having to have a disk in the window as anyone who wants the info, like police, can pull it up instantly.

Mike Amick
06-28-2015, 10:44 PM
I went to DVM office the morning after it expired

mine was like 9 mos. out of date.




Fist slamming down on the table, good cop in the corner smirking

So which was it !!!!!!!

TGTool
06-29-2015, 12:08 AM
Fist slamming down on the table, good cop in the corner smirking

So which was it !!!!!!!

Oh, that was the other time. :D

PeteM
06-29-2015, 12:23 AM
Years ago I did a lot of travel. I brought my up-to-date passport while spending a couple months at our UK office. Upon return, I noticed my driver's license had expired a few days earlier.

Next day I started driving with my several-days-expired license towards the license bureau, when a young woman ran a red light and broadsided me. That got us both a visit to the judge in the tiny town I lived in.

Turns out the attractive young woman who broadsided my car (there was no question of it not being her fault -- witnesses etc.) got off with a warning to pay attention to red lights, not speed, and not crash into people any more. I was the one that got a hefty ticket, rather than a "be sure to check your license before traveling abroad." Deserved, perhaps.

That continues to strike me as modern not-so-proportional "justice."

Left Handed Spud Wrench
06-29-2015, 12:33 AM
Well yeah, if you have tits and a nice smile you can get away with anything. Us regular folks can't titillate out way through life. ;)

I was caught without a license in NY a few years back. Officer wrote me a conditional ticket... told me to go to the license station at DMV and get things in motion and call him direct on his cellphone once I did. Two days later he came out to my house, checked my license and withdrew the ticket.

All depends on the jurisdiction, the attitude of the officer, so on so forth. Just get it taken care of ASAP.

v860rich
06-29-2015, 12:43 AM
Fist slamming down on the table, good cop in the corner smirking

So which was it !!!!!!!

I fixed the sentence to read correctly!!!!

THANX RICH

oldtiffie
06-29-2015, 03:20 AM
In Australia it is the obligation of the driver to keep his/her licence current.

"Didn't get the Notice" is not a valid excuse.

Some States require a "medical" before renewing if you are over 70 - but not here.

No medical required where I live when I turned 70 but as my previous 12-year licence expired when I was 75 the period of the licence was reduced to 3 years and will keep being re-newed for 3 years.

No problems - just took the notice to an approved photographic shop, paid about $30, had my photo taken and told that the licence should arrive in about 5 days - week-end concluded - which it did - which was really good timing.

Rosco-P
06-29-2015, 08:59 AM
In Australia it is the obligation of the driver to keep his/her licence current.

"Didn't get the Notice" is not a valid excuse.


Failure to comply will result in: Loss of Australian citizenship; deportation to the United Kingdom; resettlement in Nottingham, England.

John Stevenson
06-29-2015, 09:10 AM
Failure to comply will result in: Loss of Australian citizenship; deportation to the United Kingdom; resettlement in Nottingham, England.

Good then I can make him use all those posing machines or I'll bin them.

vincemulhollon
06-29-2015, 11:00 AM
I asked the test guy on the road portion what my score was and was told they only pass or fail, no % is given.

Congratulations, I haven't parallel parked in 24 years and they have stuff like that on the test.

Oh and that standard Y turn, I haven't done one of those in much longer. Its some standard and precise angle deal where you turn around on a road too narrow for a U and no driveways to pull into/off of that nobody does other than on the test. Something like exactly 60 degrees of turn 3 times measured with like a protractor or something.

Another ridiculous thing they pull locally is panic stop testing, randomly yell at you to stop, but once you have kids you learn to totally ignore the passengers yelling and just pay attention to the road, maybe tell the kids (politely?) to STFU, which the examiner is totally not going to appreciate.

Another big problem, some angry gray haired examiner tells quivering in the knees 16 year old me to do something and I sir, yes sir him, then do it, but after decades of wife as copilot and navigator if someone tells me to do something I'd prefer not to, I ignore them, so I can just see the examiner trying to get me to change lanes to turn left and I'm all "nah too much traffic I'll take the next left whats your hurry you haven't been in labor since Bush years". I'm sure the examiner would love that line.

"What are you crazy, if you don't block the box you'll never get thru this left turn intersection, never" "If I go as slow as 55 we're gonna get rear ended and killed so yeah I'm going 85 on purpose just like everyone else"

Honestly I don't think I could pass the test today because its got almost nothing to do with actual driving.

garagemark
06-29-2015, 11:47 AM
I must salute you guys that never break the law. You are far better citizens than I. I would absolutely drive while waiting to test. It isn’t like I forgot how to drive when the DL expired. Risk? Yeah, maybe a little bit. But I haven’t been involved in an accident of any kind in almost thirty years, and I have never managed to swing a ticket. I’d roll that dice. And even if something did happen, it’d just be an additional parting of your money. No chain gangs folks.

In Indiana, when changing license from any state to here, you must take the written test. It is given by computer (at least here in the northern counties). You simply walk up to the counter; they will reset the test, and have at it. If you pass (it will let you know), you go do the paperwork. If you don’t, you simply leave. You can take it every day until you pass it. I only needed one shot, but there is no embarrassment if you tank. Just slink out the door.

And there are no cops simply hanging around in the BMV parking lot to snag people for license violations. Too many doughnuts to be eaten elsewhere.

Cheers

davidh
06-29-2015, 12:05 PM
my kid wrongly answered the question about where to hold your hands on the wheel. it use to be 10 and 4 or something, the answer they want now is "anywhere" because of the air bags and restraints. . . .


I let mine expire and had to take the test. They told me answers to the ones I got wrong and that was the end of that. The questions that usually one errors on are not about driving but are on alcohol blood limits, etc.

Ries
06-29-2015, 12:06 PM
I am so glad I live in the socialist republic of Washington- here, you can renew it online.
And they ALWAYS send you a letter. You can fill out the form they send you, and mail it back with a check, and get your new 5 year license in the mail, or, as I just did in april, you go online, click a few places, feed in your visa card number, and save a stamp.

We also vote 100% by mail.

As a result, lines at the DMV are quite a bit shorter. In fact, the last time I went to the DMV, to take my kid for a driving test, there were TWO people in the office, waiting.

flylo
06-29-2015, 01:18 PM
When you do renew & they tell you to put your feet on the footprints on the floor for a picture they'll run 30,000 volts thru you so next time you won't forget & while the juice is flowing & shaking in pain they take your picture for the new license. Have fun!:rolleyes:

Puckdropper
06-29-2015, 01:59 PM
I am so glad I live in the socialist republic of Washington- here, you can renew it online.
And they ALWAYS send you a letter. You can fill out the form they send you, and mail it back with a check, and get your new 5 year license in the mail, or, as I just did in april, you go online, click a few places, feed in your visa card number, and save a stamp.

We also vote 100% by mail.

As a result, lines at the DMV are quite a bit shorter. In fact, the last time I went to the DMV, to take my kid for a driving test, there were TWO people in the office, waiting.


IL's pretty good about that, too. If you've got a clean driving record, you just write a check, send the form back, and discard the old license when the new one comes in the mail. Same with sticker registration. If you decide to visit the DMV, lines are pretty short. (They're still pretty busy, but just got really good at making the common stuff quick.)

Paul Alciatore
06-29-2015, 02:03 PM
I have an Excel workbook that I developed for my household budget. I enter all estimated bills and expenses during the last quarter of the previous year (November) on a new sheet for the full year. I use historical data from the past two years to make the estimates. I also enter all estimated income.
Bills are entered ten days before the due date and income is entered on the expected date of reception so I have some advance notice of when things are due. This way I have a way of keeping track of bills, even if the paper bill gets lost in the mail. One of those expenses is the driver's license renewal and the inspections and registrations for each vehicle. Those are in my list of bills so I have the opportunity to see if they are due in any given year.

I also enter birthdays and other things like Valentine's Day and anniversaries. Also filter changes for AC and water filter system and other scheduled household maintenance items. Those require an actual cost to get entered by the macro so I often estimate them at $0.01 and just delete that amount after they are in the schedule.

I look at this workbook several times each week so I rarely forget things. This works fairly well for me.




You can avoid future stressors like this by getting a calendar program for your computer (or annoying smart phone) and setting it up to remind you a month or so ahead of time of expirations such as licenses, passports, etc..

Paul Alciatore
06-29-2015, 02:10 PM
Where to hold the wheel????? Now THAT is a real chicken-$#!t question. Really!

I have been licensed in at least four states and never seen that one. Even Rhode Island wasn't that stupid.




my kid wrongly answered the question about where to hold your hands on the wheel. it use to be 10 and 4 or something, the answer they want now is "anywhere" because of the air bags and restraints. . . .

shoprat
06-29-2015, 06:23 PM
Well here is my update, a lot of worrying for nothing (as usual)! Showed up filled out the form paid for the license and left(eye test, and photo also) I did ask if they quit sending out notices and he said no they still do it. I was concerned partly because I carry a class A CDL but no worries

Funny side note, I had called one of my sons and mentioned I had forgot about it. So he checked his yep expired !! Thanks everyone for the advice

CCWKen
06-29-2015, 09:33 PM
In Texas, DLs, CHLs, etc. expire on your birthday. While they do send out reminders, I always check mine for the year it expires.

Texas recently eliminated the windshield sticker for the annual safety inspections. Not the inspection though--Just the sticker. You now have to carry around a sheet of paper showing the vehicle was inspected until it's sync'd with the license plate. To get plates now, you have to show the title, proof of insurance and the inspection sheet. I just got a car going after several years of sitting (expired plate) that I will have to drive to the inspection station. Then take everything down to the county tax office to register and get the plates. I'll also have to sign a statement that says the car was not used on the roadways. (Expired registration.) :confused:

In the past, you got the license plates first then drove the car to the inspection station for the sticker. I'm not too worried. I live outside of a small town of 3500 people so law enforcement is pretty slack. I just wonder how that works in the big city.

The stupidity of government bureaucracy never ends.

Arcane
06-29-2015, 09:44 PM
Back several years ago the neighbour's kid took the family car for a ride with his buddy. He had a learner's license but restrictions on it meant he had to have someone with a driver's license with him and his buddy who also had a learner's license didn't qualify. While driving through an intersection he was broadsided and subsequently was not only charged with driving without valid license but because he was driving without a valid license was found to be at fault for the accident, the logic being he was on the road illegally. His parents had to pay for all the costs to both vehicles since they were responsible for who drove it and the only way they could have avoided that was if they had their son charged with stealing the car which they refused to do which I believe was done to prevent their son from getting a criminal record. It cost them several thousands of dollars which at that time was extremely expensive.

The point to this rambling narrative is that without a valid driver's license your vehicle insurance policy might be suspended in case of an accident.

Stepside
06-29-2015, 09:59 PM
When I got my license in 1959 they , Washington State, required the "panic stop". So I spent the summer working on my skills. At the word "STOP" I would downshift, hammer the brake and pull on the parking brake. the car would stop on a dime and in complete control. On test day I lowered the pressure in the tires a bit to get a larger footprint.

The examiner gets in the car and I ask him to fasten his seat belt. His answer was "You drive and I will Test". He failed to use the seat belt and the "Panic Stop" pitched him into the windshield bending the polished bill on his hat as well as his chrome sunglasses. So we go back to his office where I expected a real "ass chewing" but instead I received a 96 out of 100 points. For the young guys, in 1959 only a few cars came with seat-belts, let alone a 1948 Plymouth

lwalker
06-30-2015, 09:12 AM
Hey, shoprat, it's Tuesday. Get your license yet? :-)

Ridgerunner
06-30-2015, 09:33 AM
A friend of mine was a state trooper. Early on in his career he had to give driving tests. Here, at the time, they were on a fixed course. He climbs in with an older lady and gives her the "proceed" command. She floors it, goes through 2 stop signs and wreaks head on in to a guard rail at the first turn. He flew head first in to the windshield. State troopers here have these big round hats with a peak on top. He said the hat was smashed down to his neck and he had a hard time prying it back over his nose. The lady looked over at him and asked "does this mean I fail?"
He had many many stories like this, and from when he was on the road.

shoprat
06-30-2015, 06:32 PM
Hey, shoprat, it's Tuesday. Get your license yet? :-)

first thing monday morning! no issues at all :-)

Yondering
07-01-2015, 02:59 PM
I am so glad I live in the socialist republic of Washington- here, you can renew it online.
And they ALWAYS send you a letter. You can fill out the form they send you, and mail it back with a check, and get your new 5 year license in the mail, or, as I just did in april, you go online, click a few places, feed in your visa card number, and save a stamp.

We also vote 100% by mail.

As a result, lines at the DMV are quite a bit shorter. In fact, the last time I went to the DMV, to take my kid for a driving test, there were TWO people in the office, waiting.

I also like how they let you skip the questions you don't know on the written test. Just answer the ones you know until you get enough to pass. Weird.

Just noticed we're really close, I'm in Sedro and Bayview.