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jcon
07-31-2015, 09:07 AM
Windows 8.1 update.
A few days ago a thing came up on my PC to update to Windows 8.1 with no aperient way to decline it. I am just now learning how to use 8. I donít to start learning a new version. The whole screen was filled I could not see any to shut down my PC, I did a Ctrl Alt Delete. I rebooted it was gone. The next day it was back said it would take 30 to 35 minuets. Well of course it took much longer. It is not going away, so I did it. Now it is back wanting to do another update. My question is this legitimate and has any of experienced this.
Thanks,
Jim

macona
07-31-2015, 11:33 AM
Windows 8.1 is better than 8. But forget that. Install 10.

lakeside53
07-31-2015, 11:36 AM
yes it's legitimate. Do the required updates, then wait a few months and move to 10. I think you have to have the updates before 10 will install anyhow.

winchman
07-31-2015, 06:11 PM
That's correct. You need to get 8.1 before you can get 10. From the MS website:

System requirements

For the latest system requirements, check out the Windows 10 Specifications page.

To be eligible for the Windows 10 Upgrade Offer, you must be using a qualified, genuine Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 device. This can include a device you already own. Some hardware/software requirements apply and feature availability may vary by device and market. Devices must be connected to the Internet and have Windows Update enabled. Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 Update required. Windows 10 is automatically updated. Additional requirements may apply over time for updates. For details, see How to upgrade to Windows 10.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-faq

I'm sticking with 8 until I need a new computer. My wife is still using Vista now, but she plans to get a new computer with 10 early next year. We've never had good experience with upgrading the OS on our computers, and we're not early adopters.

Joe_B
07-31-2015, 06:25 PM
Isn't anyone upset that MS is foisting these mandatory "upgrades" on folks? I find it highly irritating that they do this with no options for the average person to decline the headache. Last month the put a new partition on my HDD (the "Q" drive). It took me quite a while to get rid of that little annoyance.

It seems like you dont own your own PC anymore. Take a look at the new fine print they have quietly released recently.

It is getting to the point of me unplugging my Ethernet connection.

https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/


(https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/)

RussZHC
07-31-2015, 07:13 PM
Isn't anyone upset that MS is foisting these mandatory "upgrades" on folks?

Yes but I am not sure the point has not been reached where one just has to put up with it. As example, much of the non-MS software I use or know of and could be using for particular purposes, is often only available in an single version that requires an OS from Microsoft to function. I guess what I am saying is it is so deeply intrenched, there is no avoiding this situation. And its not like we did not know it was coming/happening, IIRC there were warnings from some that after a given OS much of a person's control over items as mentioned in your link would be gone. (Was it Windows 7?)

I am still curious however, that even assuming all clauses are legal in the United States, how does Microsoft get around legal issues in other countries?

IF, it is for the same reason above, "can avoid it", its just bad. PLUS of course the other crap that at one point worked but the longer it is around the worse it becomes, as in Adobe.

I keep delaying migrating to Linux/Open Source but it is about time, maybe for real. And learn to live without some items that refuse to function without the MS oversight.

Joe_B
07-31-2015, 07:44 PM
I have a linux box but it is still pretty much a science experiment. The average person would not know how to write udev rules, etc. when they plugged in a new USB device. If you want "plug n play" you are going to be stuck with windoze. My issue is how they presume that the masses would cheerfully go through the pain of learning how to get around a whole new set of bugs.

I use my PC for more than surfing the interwebs. I have a lot of applications that routinely choke on these updates. Couple that on the "right" microsoft has bestowed on itself to access anything on your PC for who knows what use and they quickly become "the enemy".

I paid for an operating system, not something that has built in spyware. I want a stable environment for my applications, not some ever changing collection of bloatware that nukes an application that I have been using for years.

/rant

Toolguy
07-31-2015, 07:48 PM
I agree 100% Joe B. It makes me wonder if the NSA or other govt. entities are involved? We will probably never know for sure.

Joe_B
07-31-2015, 08:04 PM
Oh, it has already been spilled, MS has had an NSA backdoor for years.

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/08/22/nsa-windows-8-exploit/

http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/nsa-has-total-access-via-microsoft-windows/ (http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/08/22/nsa-windows-8-exploit/)

lakeside53
07-31-2015, 10:56 PM
Isn't anyone upset that MS is foisting these mandatory "upgrades" on folks? I find it highly irritating that they do this with no options for the average person to decline the headache. Last month the put a new partition on my HDD (the "Q" drive). It took me quite a while to get rid of that little annoyance.


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Nobody is forcing you to upgrade your XP, 7, 8 or 8.1 ... if you don't want the FREE 10, don't upgrade and don't get it.

The average guys can easily say no to any updates. Just tick the box in windows update. I get them all.

Danl
07-31-2015, 11:56 PM
Oh, it has already been spilled, MS has had an NSA backdoor for years.

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/08/22/nsa-windows-8-exploit/

(http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/08/22/nsa-windows-8-exploit/)http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/nsa-has-total-access-via-microsoft-windows/


Looks like Linux has it also:

The Linux kernel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel) has included trusted computing support since version 2.6.13, and there are several projects to implement trusted computing for Linux. In January 2005, members of Gentoo Linux (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Linux)'s "crypto herd" announced their intention of providing support for TC—in particular support for the Trusted Platform Module.[40] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#cite_note-lwntc-40) There is also a TCG-compliant software stack for Linux named TrouSerS (http://trousers.sourceforge.net/), released under an open source license.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing

Dan

dalee100
08-01-2015, 12:00 AM
I have a linux box but it is still pretty much a science experiment. The average person would not know how to write udev rules, etc. when they plugged in a new USB device. If you want "plug n play" you are going to be stuck with windoze. My issue is how they presume that the masses would cheerfully go through the pain of learning how to get around a whole new set of bugs.

I use my PC for more than surfing the interwebs. I have a lot of applications that routinely choke on these updates. Couple that on the "right" microsoft has bestowed on itself to access anything on your PC for who knows what use and they quickly become "the enemy".

I paid for an operating system, not something that has built in spyware. I want a stable environment for my applications, not some ever changing collection of bloatware that nukes an application that I have been using for years.

/rant

Hi,

Most modern Linux distros are pretty much plug and play these days. No messing with obscure files or scripts, (unless you really, really want to). Distros like Ubuntu, Fedora, and others are very user friendly. And are often faster and easier to clean install than Windows.

That said, while analogs of popular Windows software can found, they aren't the same as common Windows software. So it's not for everybody. I would really recommend the upgrade to Win10. It sounds like it's headed to more of a rolling release, rather than sticking users with update packs.

Dalee