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daveo
03-20-2016, 01:46 PM
I picked up this model 1a off of Craigslist this morning. Everything is there and it runs smooth. I do want to change the oil in it, what does it take? There isnt much info on the interwebs about it...

I did read some where it has some bronze components in it and certain oils might not be good for it.

Couple of pics

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm234/daveo11/20160320_115304%20Medium.jpg

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm234/daveo11/20160320_115212%20Medium.jpg

Tundra Twin Track
03-20-2016, 03:16 PM
I use 80-90 gear oil on my Harvey Butterfly Filer,it leaks out bottom of shaft as it need bushing replaced but I keep a drip pan under it.It does not hold much and do not use it often but handy to have as it can do jobs that nothing else in shop can do.

GEP
03-20-2016, 03:20 PM
That is a nice looking machine. Do you have files for it files are hard to find. I bean looking for a filer

daveo
03-20-2016, 03:48 PM
I use 80-90 gear oil on my Harvey Butterfly Filer,it leaks out bottom of shaft as it need bushing replaced but I keep a drip pan under it.It does not hold much and do not use it often but handy to have as it can do jobs that nothing else in shop can do.


I took the cover off, its full and stinks like gear lube! No leaks! I dont think this has seen much use at all, I think I will just use it for now... Thank you!

GEP, I have a few files, A quick Google search for "parallel machine files" will find you some. But they are a bit pricey! I have searched craigslist every few days (for over a year) for "die filer" and found this one last night.... $150 bucks is what I gave for it. The guy had a 1 1/2 horse 3 phase motor for another $20.... I couldnt say no:cool:

I have been reading a bit on making your own from regular files. Seems easy but they do need to cut on the downward stroke....

Mcgyver
03-20-2016, 05:22 PM
A good looking machine



I have been reading a bit on making your own from regular files. Seems easy but they do need to cut on the downward stroke....

the challenge as i see it is hand files , as well as being in the wrong direction, are tapered. The stuff you are reading, what do they suggest?

I've got the same machine, but only have the one over arm - the one in the left of your photos. I'm guess the tall one clamps the end of the file and reciprocates?

If you find stuff out, what oil, manual etc it would be great if you share it here, I'd appreciate as would no doubt future Keller owners

daveo
03-20-2016, 05:34 PM
A good looking machine



the challenge as i see it is hand files , as well as being in the wrong direction, are tapered. The stuff you are reading, what do they suggest?

I've got the same machine, but only have the one over arm - the one in the left of your photos. I'm guess the tall one clamps the end of the file and reciprocates?

If you find stuff out, what oil, manual etc it would be great if you share it here, I'd appreciate as would no doubt future Keller owners

I will share anything I find!

The tall one does clamp a long file or hacksaw blade and runs it true. Ive put cheap hacksaw blades in it a few minutes ago to see if they would snap! Seemed to work great!! You need to try and find that arm...

For a company that was in biz up until several years ago, info on these machines is SCARCE. Seems odd!

Yes, you have to have straight (parallel) files. Chainsaw files are cheap and lots of different round sizes. You could also use diamond coated files, many of them are straight and it does not matter which direction you run them.

daveo
03-20-2016, 06:21 PM
Here is a couple links to other die filing machine manuals....
http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/3061/4477.pdf
http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/3061/4477.pdf


This Milwaukee filer is probably as close as it gets to a Keller. Says SAE 10... (may have to register)http://www.hobby-machinist.com/attachments/milwaukeediefilermanual-pdf.106512/

GEP
03-20-2016, 07:42 PM
There is a filer on e-bay the seller wants $ 500.00 he wont budge. I tried him twice

daveo
03-20-2016, 07:52 PM
I can send him a lower offer than you did, maybe he will reconsider your offer....:cool: 500 is way too much unless that thing is like new with files...

Tundra Twin Track
03-20-2016, 08:35 PM
Here are some parallel hand files that can be used as well as Bosch jigsaw blades that are 14&24 teeth and 5-3/16" long.

http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag292/tundratwintrack/image.jpg1_zpssq0jnvwf.jpg (http://s1371.photobucket.com/user/tundratwintrack/media/image.jpg1_zpssq0jnvwf.jpg.html)

http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag292/tundratwintrack/image.jpg3_zpsfph25ugt.jpg (http://s1371.photobucket.com/user/tundratwintrack/media/image.jpg3_zpsfph25ugt.jpg.html)

http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag292/tundratwintrack/image.jpg2_zpsgjwjxvfq.jpg (http://s1371.photobucket.com/user/tundratwintrack/media/image.jpg2_zpsgjwjxvfq.jpg.html)

GEP
03-20-2016, 08:43 PM
I can send him a lower offer than you did, maybe he will reconsider your offer....:cool: 500 is way too much unless that thing is like new with files...
Thanks but i think i pass on this e-bay one the seller got real belligerent with me on the offer i made him. I guess if his is the last one to be had i will not have one

boslab
03-20-2016, 08:45 PM
A handy file that can be made to fit is the flat farmers own kind, the file and handle are one peice, remove the handle section with a disk, a good all round file, very hard 2nd cut
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=farmers+own+file&rlz=1C9BKJA_enGB605GB605&hl=en-GB&prmd=isvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiEo-eWxtDLAhUDZQ8KHaBlDs0Q_AUIBygB&biw=1024&bih=653#imgrc=P4CPrrioM3I69M%3A
As said chainsaw files are good too, Oregon are fairly good
Mark

daveo
03-20-2016, 08:45 PM
Nice! A whole bunch of diamond coated files could be used, most of them are straight. A pic from amazon...


Short ones
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/614FRqs8e%2BL._SX425_.jpg

Doozer
03-20-2016, 08:58 PM
If you have to own a filing machine,
you probably don't own a milling machine.

-Doozer

quasi
03-20-2016, 10:23 PM
If you have to own a filing machine,
you probably don't own a milling machine.

-Doozer

I use my Keller a lot, and I own a Milling machine. Mine came without either overarm, when I bought them from Keller the salesman said they were the last ones he had. Here is all the "dirty paper" I have on Keller.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/buckbrush1961/Keller_Die_Filer_Parts_List_zps3i7xjnet.jpg (http://s155.photobucket.com/user/buckbrush1961/media/Keller_Die_Filer_Parts_List_zps3i7xjnet.jpg.html)


http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/buckbrush1961/SCAN0404_zpskqgd4ssu.jpg (http://s155.photobucket.com/user/buckbrush1961/media/SCAN0404_zpskqgd4ssu.jpg.html)

J Tiers
03-20-2016, 11:41 PM
...
I've got the same machine, but only have the one over arm - the one in the left of your photos. I'm guess the tall one clamps the end of the file and reciprocates?
...

I bet you could weld up a substitute pretty quick.... Channel, tube, a couple pieces for clamp ears, might not be so hard. The plunger in the overarm is normally spring-return.

daveo
03-21-2016, 12:04 PM
It would be a simple project to make and I would be happy to send some detailed pics and measurements...

Dunc
03-21-2016, 01:20 PM
Several years ago Harold Hall wrote a die filer construction article for Model Engineers' Workshop. He included a method to adapt regular files to the machine - cutting on the downstroke. See
http://www.homews.co.uk/page497.html for adapting the files. You can also access the entire build article.

gerritv
03-21-2016, 03:41 PM
While not inexpensive, Falcon has a huge selection of files for this type of machine. Regular, diamond and jewelers. They een have an adapter to use rifflers. Well worth looking through their catalog. Even if you have to spend 12-20 on a file, it should last a considerable time in a hobbiest's shop.

I recently acquired a very old Sears scroll saw (cast iron) that adapted to a filer. Their old catalog even had the files listed.

Black_Moons
03-21-2016, 03:50 PM
... You could also use diamond coated files, many of them are straight and it does not matter which direction you run them.

That.. is a really sexy idea. I like that.. I like that a lot. Taking an old machine that is considered outdated and upgrading it with modern diamond technology so it could chew through pretty much anything on earth, short of other diamonds and CBN :P

That would make it really useful if you happen to need to do anything with hardened metal.

Black_Moons
03-21-2016, 03:54 PM
If you have to own a filing machine,
you probably don't own a milling machine.

-Doozer

Nah, just off the top of my head I can see a filer would be great for stuff like internal keyways. Maybe repairing an internal gear (Wouldn't wanna make a new one, but fixing up 1 tooth should be doable)

Any job where the head/quill/etc of your mill gets in the way of the direction you wanna put the endmill.

Oh, and with the new diamond files, any job over 40RC or so.

And simple jobs where finding a way to fixture it in the mill would likely take longer then it takes to cut. (Aka, most simple jobs)

spongerich
03-21-2016, 04:24 PM
Call Rogerson's Hardware in Hudson NY (518) 828-1832

He's got thousands upon thousands of files in stock in every imaginable size and shape. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't have any die filer files there.

quasi
03-21-2016, 04:39 PM
die filers can also use polishing stones, a simple adapter has to be made.

daveo
03-21-2016, 06:20 PM
die filers can also use polishing stones, a simple adapter has to be made.


Found this pic...

I can think of a lot of uses for a die filer, working on a bunch of gun parts:cool: Haters gona hate...

http://wentztech.com/WebDisk/Metalworking/Die%20Filer/all-american-die-filer-hone-attachment-1.jpg

Mcgyver
03-21-2016, 06:32 PM
It would be a simple project to make and I would be happy to send some detailed pics and measurements...

that would be great, thanks. When ever you get around to it, it'll be to-do project 501.....or maybe 1001....I've lost count :)

boslab
03-21-2016, 07:12 PM
I suppose the availability of diamond products has rendered the old slip stone rig less desirable, can't say if ever tried an abrasive stone, but I'm curious, so the wife says anyway
Mark