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john hobdeclipe
09-07-2016, 10:02 PM
Is it just me being overly cautious, or is this anvil actually worth $3.60 to $4.00 / pound.

Am I missing something, or is the anvil missing something?

http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/tls/5756987418.html

Joel
09-07-2016, 10:09 PM
Nope, people are just often insane. Sometimes it's the seller, sometimes the buyer...

LibbyHillBrewer
09-07-2016, 10:18 PM
That anvil looks like it's missing it's rear end! Not exactly premo condition.


How does this one look?

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/tls/5752124871.html

Looks like it's being stored outside and our ever present humidity is working on it.

1-800miner
09-07-2016, 10:18 PM
that one could be replaced with rail road rail

pinstripe
09-07-2016, 11:20 PM
That anvil looks like it's missing it's rear end! Not exactly premo condition.

You're missing an opportunity to collect the set. Its Australian brother is for sale at the moment. Find the Japanese sister, and you will be sitting on a goldmine.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Large-Blacksmith-Anvil-Attwood-Stourbridge-Antique-Anvil-Forged-Steel-/322251226085?hash=item4b07ab7be5:g:YnQAAOSwZVlXuUz ~


http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/YnQAAOSwZVlXuUz~/s-l400.jpg



that one could be replaced with rail road rail

Did you mean a "Welded Steel Executive Toy Anvil Paperweight"? Every executive wants one at the moment. Only $75! You could hold all your executive piles of paper under it without fear of them ever blowing away.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Railroad-Track-Railroad-Spike-Welded-Steel-Executive-Toy-Anvil-Paperweight-/351805632266?hash=item51e93fef0a:g:qhcAAOSwpIdW7Sq F


http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/qhcAAOSwpIdW7SqF/s-l400.jpg

boslab
09-08-2016, 12:45 AM
I'm suprised by the number of anvils I've seen over the years broken the same way, obviously they are just cast blocks of anycrapyum as opposed to steel, or maybe the hulk likes black smithing as a stress relief.
Mark

DancingBear
09-08-2016, 06:39 AM
You could still use it to hunt roadrunners! :D

Walt

alanganes
09-08-2016, 07:03 AM
It is funny the "perceived value" people sometimes have of their stuff. There was one guy near here who posted a manual for a Sears radial arm saw, the same one you can download for free, for $15 on craigslist. He kept posting that ad for over six months. I'm guessing he never sold it.

Or the guys with the boxes of small heavily rusted drill bits that figure "...these are easily worth the $50 I'm asking..." but don't get the message when nobody buys them so they keep re-posting them. Or the folks who feel that if something they have is old and looks that way it must be really valuable, which I'd guess is what may be at work with this anvil.

A.K. Boomer
09-08-2016, 08:44 AM
Is it just me being overly cautious, or is this anvil actually worth $3.60 to $4.00 / pound.

Am I missing something, or is the anvil missing something?

http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/tls/5756987418.html



hey - maybe it's a bargain after all;

https://www.grainger.com/product/31XN18?gclid=CLWu6-bl_84CFchcfgodggoG0Q&cm_mmc=PPC:GOOGLEPLAA-_-Hand%20Tools-_-Vises-_-31XN18&AL!2966!3!50916684477!!!s!62392802125!&s_kwcid=AL!2966!3!50916684477!!!s!62392802125!&ef_id=V9FctQAABUvFJO1e:20160908124229:s

RichR
09-08-2016, 08:49 AM
Did you mean a "Welded Steel Executive Toy Anvil Paperweight"? Every executive wants one at the moment. Only $75! You could hold all your executive piles of paper under it without fear of them ever blowing away.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Railroad-Track-Railroad-Spike-Welded-Steel-Executive-Toy-Anvil-Paperweight-/351805632266?hash=item51e93fef0a:g:qhcAAOSwpIdW7Sq F


http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/qhcAAOSwpIdW7SqF/s-l400.jpg

That one reminds me of one of George Carlins jokes:

If you nail two things together that have never been nailed together before . . . some shmuck will buy it from you.

ikdor
09-08-2016, 08:53 AM
I think the reason they're broken is because of another hobby involving anvils:

At the risk of pulling a Tiffie here...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anvil_firing

kendall
09-08-2016, 09:00 AM
Or the guys with the boxes of small heavily rusted drill bits that figure "...these are easily worth the $50 I'm asking..." but don't get the message when nobody buys them so they keep re-posting them.

There was a guy up here was re-posting the same lathe for almost 6 months, his major problem was that he posted blurry pics, then went on to explain all the features it didn't have in such detail that he never got around to actually describing anything about the lathe he was selling. Brand/size or any of the other 'basic' information was never mentioned.

justanengineer
09-08-2016, 09:57 AM
I'm suprised by the number of anvils I've seen over the years broken the same way, obviously they are just cast blocks of anycrapyum as opposed to steel, or maybe the hulk likes black smithing as a stress relief.

Most anvils are cast with either carburized faces or have steel faces forge-welded on. Very few are actually solid steel, back in the day those would've been only found in a high-end craftsman's shop and likely custom made whereas the combination cast w/steel faces was common in industry and cast w/carburized faces common on the farm.

Mcgyver
09-08-2016, 11:46 AM
The idea of worth seems to a challenge to people. So often you read "these are worth X and I only want Y " when what they mean is they cost X new, in a store. Then there is the every thing';s vintage crowd when the really mean old or antique. Ah, the failures of the public school system :)

pinstripe
09-08-2016, 12:24 PM
... So often you read "these are worth X and I only want Y " when what they mean is they cost X new, in a store.

The most expensive store they could find, or the manufacturer's list price when everyone is selling below that.



Then there is the every thing's vintage crowd when the really mean old or antique.

Or the "I'm pretty sure this is a Starrett" when it has no markings on it. This guy thinks his mill is worth more because it was once at a TV station http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HAFCO-LATHE-AND-HERLESS-MILL-EX-CHANNEL-9-AND-MANY-ACCESORIES-/272367402412?hash=item3f6a5cbdac:g:D6gAAOSwFe5XxkI E



Ah, the failures of the public school system :)

Better fix that apostrophe-semicolon thing before you start throwing stones. I know it's just a typo, but couldn't resist :)

paul463
09-08-2016, 12:59 PM
Most anvils are cast with either carburized faces or have steel faces forge-welded on. Very few are actually solid steel, back in the day those would've been only found in a high-end craftsman's shop and likely custom made whereas the combination cast w/steel faces was common in industry and cast w/carburized faces common on the farm.


Neither of my anvils are cast. Forged wrought iron, a 135lb Peter Wright and a 347lb Hay Budden. I'm going to pick up a 130Lb Mousehole tomorrow night. :)

Mcgyver
09-08-2016, 01:00 PM
Better fix that apostrophe-semicolon thing before you start throwing stones. I know it's just a typo, but couldn't resist :)

alas, I too am a victim.

old mart
09-08-2016, 03:51 PM
Stick it on the mill, take off about an inch all round, weld a new bit on the back and it will be as good as new.

steverice
09-08-2016, 06:50 PM
the decimal point was misplaced two places to the right.

Bmyers
09-08-2016, 09:50 PM
I always like the "it was running when it was new" statements.

fixerdave
09-09-2016, 12:33 AM
There was a guy up here was re-posting the same lathe for almost 6 months, his major problem was that he posted blurry pics, then went on to explain all the features it didn't have in such detail that he never got around to actually describing anything about the lathe he was selling. Brand/size or any of the other 'basic' information was never mentioned.

Works both ways though... I bought a stepvan a while back... stupid add had no pictures and near zero useful information, sounded like garbage. I emailed on a whim, found it was aluminum, 17', running, on propane... I handed over the $2k asking price without any arguments at all. Took a bit to get the brakes un-seized, then drove it home. All I really wanted was a shed on wheels that wouldn't rust. I got way more.

I'm also trying to get in the habit of photographing the stuff I don't want and putting it up on our local classified. My price is based on hassle, not really the value as I've already decided MY value is zero, or negative if it's in the way. Stuff I want gone that's heavy (and I expect I'll be asked to hold up an end) goes for more than the light stuff. Little things... minimum $15, because any less and I just attract idiots. I've had a K&N air filter on there... probably been renewing the advert for a year now. Don't really care. If it hasn't sold the next time it shows up on a cleaning binge, I'll just toss it. Obviously not worth what I'm asking, but it's not worth asking less and then waiting around for some idiot to not show up or show up the next day and spend even more of my time trying to talk the price down even further. Side of the road, or garbage, is cheaper. Some people really like selling stuff, and all the banter that goes with it. I don't. I'd rather play in the shop.

David...

HWooldridge
09-09-2016, 05:06 PM
I'm suprised by the number of anvils I've seen over the years broken the same way, obviously they are just cast blocks of anycrapyum as opposed to steel, or maybe the hulk likes black smithing as a stress relief.
Mark

It's typically not due to inferior materials. People often put an ill-fitting tool in the hardy hole and smack it with a big sledge hammer. That creates a notch effect from one corner of the hardy and the heel breaks off. Hardy tools should always rest on the face and never bind in the hole. That's one reason some folks clamp the tool in a vise or drop it in a cast iron swage block - prevents the possibility of breaking the anvil.

Prices for anvils have gone into the stratosphere lately. I saw one on Craigslist recently; very nice European double bick, IIRC it was 290 lbs and the seller wanted $2800 for it. I guess everyone is trying to emulate PT Barnum and sell to the suckers.

paul463
09-09-2016, 08:44 PM
It's typically not due to inferior materials. People often put an ill-fitting tool in the hardy hole and smack it with a big sledge hammer. That creates a notch effect from one corner of the hardy and the heel breaks off. Hardy tools should always rest on the face and never bind in the hole. That's one reason some folks clamp the tool in a vise or drop it in a cast iron swage block - prevents the possibility of breaking the anvil.

Prices for anvils have gone into the stratosphere lately. I saw one on Craigslist recently; very nice European double bick, IIRC it was 290 lbs and the seller wanted $2800 for it. I guess everyone is trying to emulate PT Barnum and sell to the suckers.

Just sold my 347lb Hay Budden tonight for $500 and got a nice little 130Lb Mousehole in trade. In my area finding an anvil is easy.... finding someone willing to sell one is another matter.

justanengineer
09-10-2016, 10:50 AM
Neither of my anvils are cast. Forged wrought iron, a 135lb Peter Wright and a 347lb Hay Budden. I'm going to pick up a 130Lb Mousehole tomorrow night. :)

Semantics, yes they hammered cast forging stock/billets but not enough to make them what most would consider a truly solid (through) forging, theyre still a fairly soft casting in the middle. Its case hardening vs thru-hardening, significantly different and also why the two-piece body design PW/HB both use was considered revolutionary vs older anvils like your Mousehole.

HWooldridge
09-10-2016, 06:33 PM
Just sold my 347lb Hay Budden tonight for $500 and got a nice little 130Lb Mousehole in trade. In my area finding an anvil is easy.... finding someone willing to sell one is another matter.

If you had advertised a 347 HB in good condition around here for $500, there would have been a dozen wrecks on the highway from all the smiths trying to race to wherever it was. Probably would have created a wormhole in the fabric of space and time...LOL

paul463
09-10-2016, 06:56 PM
If you had advertised a 347 HB in good condition around here for $500, there would have been a dozen wrecks on the highway from all the smiths trying to race to wherever it was. Probably would have created a wormhole in the fabric of space and time...LOL
I had it advertised a bit higher and had clowns offering me "$400 CASH!", Like they were doing me a favor.

The buyer and myself settled on $500 + his 130lb Mousehole in trade. We both left happy. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160910/b80cd354f692f746dd09e84173e4900c.jpg

HWooldridge
09-10-2016, 07:05 PM
I had it advertised a bit higher and had clowns offering me "$400 CASH!", Like they were doing me a favor.

The buyer and myself settled on $500 + his 130lb Mousehole in trade. We both left happy. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160910/b80cd354f692f746dd09e84173e4900c.jpg

That one is in very good shape considering its age. I owned a 180 lb Armitage Mousehole some years ago. Bought it for $125 and sold it for $250; at the time, I though I was making out like a bandit. Of course, that was over 25 years ago.