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old mart
11-28-2016, 04:36 PM
At the museum we rely a lot on donations of tools, many of which are top quality stuff used in the aerospace industry.
I have in the collection, a hinged assembly of 1" by 3/4" steel which was nice, but I had no idea what it was for. Much too nice to throw away. Anyway, after nine years, I have stumbled upon it's use.
I was looking through the online MSC catalogue (UK edition) page 627 and p/n MSG10000C and there it was, a workstop to use with a milling vice. Only the end section with the adjuster screw was missing, I would have guessed what we had instantly if it had been complete. An end link is being made, the pivot is 1/2" and we can drill 12.5mm and finish with a 1/2" machine reamer. We have some BSF bolts with a 1/2" ground shank, just the right size and long enough to face off and undercut the head for a good fit.

BCRider
11-28-2016, 07:36 PM
pictures when it's all done please?

chucketn
11-28-2016, 09:21 PM
I was curious, so I looked up the MSC # at their website. I about fell off my chair when I saw the price! $136.00!

Chuck

metalmagpie
11-29-2016, 07:35 AM
I was curious, so I looked up the MSC # at their website. I about fell off my chair when I saw the price! $136.00!

Chuck

Really? Shows as $102.05 to me. I went to their top level site and put MSG10000C into their search. Didn't log in or anything. Looks like MSC marks things UP for you! :-)

Here's what I saw: http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/09599762?orderedAs=MSG-10000C&pxno=18088571&refnum=18088571&rItem=09599762
metalmagpie

Mcgyver
11-29-2016, 08:45 AM
136 for me as well. Can say I'm a big fan of the design although it is compact. The stop has a lot of leverage against the mount and clearance in the joints means there will be slop unless you tighten each set screw. Set screws to lock adjustable parts is slumming it, you have to have the allen key, they can work loose, you're potentially scoring up the shaft and I didn't see a look on the screw.

Better imo would be a well made version bolting to the table and using split cotters/tommy bars. Solid and and no tools needed for adjustment

Spin Doctor
11-29-2016, 09:12 AM
For I while I was working in a pharmacuetical shop after I retired. Was doing a lot of work on a Trak bed mill. Usually had two vices set up. Made up a stop using 80/20 extrusion (rectangular) was about 30 inches long. Bolted to both vices. The stop portion could be slid along the back bar to where you needed. The top of the stop was just below he top of the jaws. Should of taken pictures

old mart
11-29-2016, 11:21 AM
Actually having hands on leads me to believe that it is easily stiff enough to repeat within a thou. The joint had a nylon washer in the middle which was held in compression by preloading the pin before tightening the grubscrew. The ground shank bolts may be an even better way to keep the pivots tight as I have locknuts.

Mcgyver
11-30-2016, 09:39 AM
It could work well and not of all of my comments maybe applicable, I haven't used one. But not all have to be false for the criticism to have merit. Like the ease of adjustment with tommy bars/split cotters and how solid they are. Whenever you can make tools the don't require other tools to use its more efficient. Is there a way to lock the screw? Cost of course weighs in, it'd be some amount even stupider US if they used split cotters and tommy bars. The design struck me as not that great but otoh I haven't used one and it might be the best bang for the buck. If making one, I do it differently though

nc5a
11-30-2016, 01:37 PM
Really? Shows as $102.05 to me. I went to their top level site and put MSG10000C into their search. Didn't log in or anything. Looks like MSC marks things UP for you! :-)

Here's what I saw: http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/09599762?orderedAs=MSG-10000C&pxno=18088571&refnum=18088571&rItem=09599762
metalmagpie


I just checked my price and it was $87.08 for P/N MSG10000C.

MSC does play the pricing game regularly but I've found if I'm careful and patient with most purchases I get decent deals. Since MSC promised ENCO customers to sell at ENCO prices for a year I bought several items that ended up being cheaper than I paid at ENCO. Granted it was only a few bucks and mainly on the shipping side but the total cost was less than ENCO for the same items. And, I'm a pretty small account, less than $500 a year generally.

I logged in.

Ron

Paul Alciatore
11-30-2016, 02:30 PM
I also got the $136 price when I went to this link. The games people play.

I have to wonder just how much does it cost them to have a system that provides different prices for different items. And just how do they keep track of who gets what price? Wouldn't it be better all around to have one, low price and get more customers? I am really turned off by this kind of pricing.




Really? Shows as $102.05 to me. I went to their top level site and put MSG10000C into their search. Didn't log in or anything. Looks like MSC marks things UP for you! :-)

Here's what I saw: http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/09599762?orderedAs=MSG-10000C&pxno=18088571&refnum=18088571&rItem=09599762
metalmagpie

old mart
11-30-2016, 02:32 PM
We finished it today and added a base of 3" X 3" X 1" aluminium with two holes for the tee slots. It repeats within 0.001" and moves 0.002" if you put a side load of 5 lbs on it but springs back when unloaded. More than good enough for me.

Bob Fisher
12-02-2016, 01:39 PM
Like Spin, I made a stop that fastens to the back of a Kurt vise from 80/20 extruded aluminum. There are a variety of adaptors that can be fastened to the 80/20. For those unfamiliar with 80/20, it is an aluminum extrusion 1 1/2 in square usually with T slots on all 4 sides. Very handy stuff and quite ridgid as well. Bob.