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pgmrdan
07-16-2004, 11:26 PM
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BillH
07-17-2004, 12:13 AM
I always day dream about owning tons of land that has hardly any taxes, where I can walk out the back door, shoot my guns into a hill, and walk a few more feet into my workshop. Not a neighbor in site, and no tights wearing bicycling yuppie queers who insist on riding side by side to clog up the traffic and not get in the bike lane nor get out of your way.
Ofcourse living in such a place, would be a huge stretch to think you could get a cable modem? LOL.

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CCWKen
07-17-2004, 12:17 AM
Got this place in 1998. Dang hard work! Always something that needs done. Stickers, Stingers and Fangs abound. Can't keep up with the mowing. Buy fencing by the mile. Collect rain water for the garden and animals. Chickens always under foot. Peck your legs, if ya don't turn rocks over for 'em. Cows don't care where they "go". Vet charges $125 for a house call. (Or you could invest it elbow gloves. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif ) Gotta grade 1/4 mile of driveway every year.

Move back to the city? ... You'd have to take me in a body bag.

"The stars are bright (clap,clap,clap), Deep in the Heart of Texas!" http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

wierdscience
07-17-2004, 09:52 PM
I found out that I'm gettng more nieghbors,getting crowded here,probibly have to move.

CCWKen
07-17-2004, 10:13 PM
That's where bigger parcels come in handy. My closest neighbor is about 300yds. East and across the road. No one can get any closer than that--Unless they jump my fence. Can't see anyone else. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Techtchr
07-17-2004, 10:18 PM
Hope you get the land. I have 4 acres, my driveway is the "dead end" Farm land all around me.I love the privacy. Found out that the Seneca Indians of Oklahoma ( I'm in NY) bought 400 acres about a mile from my house. Yet another casino in the works for central NY.

Matt

sandman2234
07-17-2004, 10:25 PM
Good luck with the offer.

I have never been able to purchase a piece of property on the first offer, except once, and that time I had a low offer in an envelope to some friends who wanted to move back north. They just wanted to go, so I told them I would make an offer, but since I wasn't looking for a house, don't expect much.Asking price was $59,500
Before they opened the envelope, I asked them to tell me what the bottom dollar was that they would take for the house. $44,000. was their answer, so I told them to open the envelope. $44,000 was the offer. They were happy, and so was I.
Just don't give up if they turn you down. If you want it, figure out what they want, and how you can get it without giving more than you want to pay.
First house I made an offer on, got rejected due to price and interest rate (seller holding the mortgage). So I added $1 grand to the price and dropped the interest rate a point. They turned that down too, so I asked my realitor when I would get my deposit back. That started people thinking that I was going to back out, so they went back to my first offer.
The place I live in got turned down despite the fact that I offered them what they wanted. So I countered with a lower offer and they started wondering if I had lost my mind. Bought it for about 3% less the second time. Buyers markets are nice when your buying...
David from jax

Carl
07-17-2004, 11:26 PM
We own four acres at the end of the road, surrounded by national forest. We can see only one neighbor down below us. I can do a little target practice when I feel like it. There were elk and deer on our property this morning. We were lucky to find this place and love it more every year we are here (October will be 21 years). Photo of elk on property this morning. Door in lower left corner of the picture is to my shop where my lathe is located.
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lathe dog
07-18-2004, 12:02 AM
Good luck Dan,
Maybe after you purchase your land and build your shop you may wish to start collecting and restoring stationary engines, like the ones we viewed today!
Lathe Dog

BillH
07-18-2004, 01:29 AM
Hey Tech Teacher, you must be very close to me right now, im in Skaneateles at the moment.
So tell me, your school offer any adult summer classes in machining and welding?

BillH
07-18-2004, 01:45 AM
The house we sold in CT, had 2 acres, we lived on top of a hill, in the woods. Driveway was a bitch to plow in the winter, but it offered privacy I now miss. I remember on occasion seeing foxes running around our front yard. One evening we turned on the outside lights and saw 5 or 6 kits running around. One of the little foxes walked up to our front door, looked at me, then grabed one of my toy water rockets and ran around the yard. The mother fox was pretty big, and I remember a few times walking up the driveway after the school bus dropped me off, turned around, and saw the fox just looking at me, following me slowly behind. I had 2 pet cats, and I worried mostly about them when we had the foxes around, being outdoor cats, they survived the ordeal amazingly.
Also had tons of deer, come fall, you didnt want to get near a Buck during the RUT. I had more than one occassion a buck stand its ground 20ft away from me snorting loudly, couldnt scare him away.
The last few years we owned the house, the coyotes moved into town. The wierdest things, at night in bed resting, I would hear them start to howl, then within 2 minutes sound like they were right below my window, then all of a sudden nothing for the rest of the night.
As far as shooting guns, I once shot my ak out the front door, was so loud I never did that again. However the M1 carbine and .22 got a lot of shooting in. Now that I think about it, WHAT A PITTY we moved before I got my pistol permit, damn, I could of been shooting my CZ75 there, DAMNIT.
At my parents lake house here, I tried shooting .22's with my friends. When the Sheriff showed up, that ended it. The sheriff was as bummed about it as we were, said, "Im sorry guys, you can't shoot the guns here, your neighbor called."

Evan
07-18-2004, 01:50 AM
Taken from our front window. I wouldn't trade this for anything.

http://vts.bc.ca/img/deer1.jpg

Milacron of PM
07-18-2004, 02:08 AM
So summer is *already* over up there Evan ?

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Doc Nickel
07-18-2004, 04:44 AM
Had this five-acre parcel entirely to ourselves for put-near thirty years. Old fart with the homestead (144 acres) to the West croaked about ten years ago, his daughter-in-law promptly subdivided and sold most of it (except for big portions which are swampland, fortunately.) Three houses went in within the past three years, and there's a fourth being built across the road as I type.

Other old fart- and a true crochety bastard he is- just sold a 17-acre plot to the East, which is, also as we speak, being sawed down and bulldozed out for yet another subdivision.

And, the swampy section across the highway has a gravel pit which is rapidly petering out. The owner there says once the gravel's gone, he's going to backfill some, flood the rest, and subdivide into lakeside properties.

All in an area that, right now, hosts two families of coyote, just in the past week had four grizzlies wander through (a juvenile, plus a sow and two cubs) plenty of moose, plus porcupine, the rare and occasional blackbear, and any number of smaller critters. And, up until about five years ago, had less than half a dozen houses within a 500-yard radius.

Oh well.
Doc.

pgmrdan
07-18-2004, 12:55 PM
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John Stevenson
07-18-2004, 01:48 PM
Evan,

Here's a photo taken out of our front window.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stevenson.engineers/lsteve/files/night.jpg

Oh forgot to say, this was at 2.00am this morning.



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Milacron of PM
07-18-2004, 02:14 PM
Well, with all these beautiful hilly and snowy forest views, I should throw in something for the coastal contingent.

Below is one view from my back yard at low tide.

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/dock.jpg

Crazy Ed
07-18-2004, 06:17 PM
D. Thomas

I like the 'view'! 'Mother nature' power for your boats!!!

Techtchr
07-18-2004, 06:53 PM
Hey Bill,
Where are you staying in Skaneateles? I can't even afford to live there. Give me a call we'll do lunch 253-7663. I'm in Auburn.

Matt

BillH
07-18-2004, 09:09 PM
Ah Auburn, thats cool. This cottage is right on the lake, it's been in the family since 1947, otherwise we wouldnt be able to afford it either!
Yep, we got a boat, go fishing all the time.

pgmrdan
07-21-2004, 08:31 PM
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ibewgypsie
07-21-2004, 09:28 PM
I moved out into the country to be next door to a friend.. He could watch my place when I was on the road partying.. I mean tattooing, or working as a construction electrician.

I ended up with a half acre, I built a very small house on it (24x24) and a larger workshop.

I built the house with credit cards ($7800), once the house was standing I went to Ditech.com for the lower interest loan to pay off the cards. Kinda a gamble, but I got a roof, a workshop and a home.

I realize not everyone is a crackerjack carpenter (including me) and can not do as I did, but let me entice you, My payments are 199 a month. Rent was $450 a month. I can step out the back door and whizz if I want to.

I love purchasing a place to live/workshop. They are not making any more land. It is the best investment for anyone to make, to get the best return on it thou you have to live on it.

Carrol and I are adding onto the small house now, the workshop should've been expanded first .... HA..

I wish I was out in the woods like evan and the others, but I still have to live close enough to make money the only proven way I know....

David

Boomer
07-21-2004, 10:09 PM
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v324/46boomer/Turkey_3.jpg
Oh no, another front door picture (if this works). An unexpected visitor to my shop/garage last Saturday. No its not domestic.
I lived in a city for a year and a half between high school graduation and my draft notice, that was enough.
Good luck closing the deal.
Bruce

Milacron of PM
07-21-2004, 10:12 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I can step out the back door and whizz if I want to</font>

I've been guilty of the same and wonder if we're like male cats marking our territories ?

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Carl
07-21-2004, 10:52 PM
Boomer, nothing like a little "Wild Turkey"

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ue4k-ngt/eaudevie/whisky/bourbon/WildTurkey.jpg

Bruce Griffing
07-21-2004, 10:57 PM
Don-
Your dock looks like the one in the movie Big Chill.

sandman2234
07-21-2004, 10:58 PM
Verbal's are good, ink is better, when your working with strangers. Keeping our fingers crossed.
david from jax

topct
07-22-2004, 12:55 AM
Carl and Evan, I see that those animals are suspiciously fat. Is that legal?

Evan
07-22-2004, 01:16 AM
If you are implying that we feed them, NOT in this life. Those guys get to be pests. They even challenge our Bear Dog, a serious mistake should she manage to break her running line. We have at least a dozen that call our valley home and maybe two or three that regularly bed down in the gulley in front of our house.

Milacron of PM
07-22-2004, 08:12 AM
Funny you mention our dock and movies Bruce, as parts of our original dock were used to build the (short) dock in The Prince of Tides, seen near the beginning of the movie where the main characters as kids are jumping off it.

The Big Chill dock is about two miles away on the Beaufort River, I'm on Battery Creek.

Tomzhere
07-22-2004, 08:40 AM
Nice places you guys got.

Well I don't see a "green with envy" emoticon so this one will have to do. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

My wife and I have our eye on 30 acres near lake Bastrop Texas. Next year we will make an offer.

Plan to build a three car garage (read shop) with an apartment above for weekends then a house later.

For me there is nothing like being at the coast though, I love bay fishing!

Tom

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pgmrdan
07-22-2004, 08:49 AM
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07-22-2004, 10:11 PM
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Carl
07-23-2004, 01:07 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by topct:
Carl and Evan, I see that those animals are suspiciously fat. Is that legal?</font>Lots of rain this year, makes critters fat in our little slice of paradise. The only things we feed are the birds and lately a momma raccoon and her five babies (my wife can't resist, she loves to watch the little ones come and visit every evening).

Evan
07-23-2004, 01:53 AM
That looks real nice. Is that the place with the NICE BIG SHOP, double sliding doors?

John Stevenson
07-23-2004, 04:24 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by pgmrdan:
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pgmrdan,

I'd be carefull about what wild animals there are around there.
If photo 7 is a fur ball run like hell.

pgmrdan
07-23-2004, 08:30 AM
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Weston Bye
07-23-2004, 10:58 AM
Seems that I'm on the other end of things. Currently on 13.5 acres in rural-bordering-suburban area. Deer, fox, turkey, heron, ducks, geese, coon, possum, forest, meadow, creek, etc. Built house on the acreage 20 years ago with my own hands, added a pole barn shop later.
Sorry to say, most of my grand ideas and plans just never got accomplished. Keeping up the place is just too much for me. Seem I don't have the time for machining when the grass needs cutting (after I repair the tractor), or the driveway needs plowing. The pole barn is half full of important and valuable junk that I realize I will probably never get around to doing something with.

I'm giving it up and building a new house on a small city lot in a quiet neighborhood. The new place will include a small shop just off the garage. Grass mowing or snow removal will require 20 minutes, rather than 3-4 hours.

I will still be able to visit and enjoy the old place, as my daughter and her husband are buying it. However I have not been able to convince them to store my valuable and important junk. Look for free offers of valuable and important junk on this BBS in the future.

Wes

pgmrdan
07-23-2004, 11:45 AM
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Evan
07-23-2004, 12:28 PM
That is what we do. We have a small back lawn maybe 60' X 25' that includes flower garden and fish pond, hedge, hanging plants and overgrown cedar fence with arbors. We keep that area real nice in the summer. The area near the house and barn I mow with the lawn tractor and that's about it, the rest is left natural. In the winter I plow the driveway with my Land Rover and since we don't have all that much snow it isn't that big a task. The house itself takes the most time maintaining and that is the same no matter where you live.

sandman2234
07-25-2004, 03:03 PM
You went back and signed the counter offer from the seller. I would have countered lower than my first offer.But nobody ever said I had good sense. Guess you gotta want to pay for it if you want it, right?
Answer should be in by now, what's the verdict?
David from jax

ibewgypsie
07-25-2004, 08:27 PM
I bought my first place out in the country in the 80s.

Little did I know I had to drill a well, purchase a small tractor, 4wd truck, bush-axe and dozens of other tools.

I spent I think about ten thousand dollars (truck not included) on essentials of country living. Cheap considering I had the police at my house in the city two or three times a week. Bikers were not always welcome movie stars like American chopper's crybabies.

Lots of luck on the new home.

David

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07-25-2004, 09:15 PM
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07-25-2004, 09:18 PM
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07-25-2004, 11:02 PM
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Paul Gauthier
07-26-2004, 12:29 PM
Should you get a tractor, and you probably will, be sure it has a backhoe, and a box scaper, two essential implements.

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Evan
07-26-2004, 12:47 PM
You are going to need a tractor or equivalent. I use my Land Rover as a tractor. It has the extreme advantage of being enclosed and heated. With the snowplow blade and gin pole as well as a bucket that drops onto the blade It will do just about anything a tractor will do. No backhoe though. The Land Rover is geared such that in low range first gear the total drive ratio is 50 to one. It has a locking throttle as well and the door lifts off in one second which makes it easy to operate while walking beside it. About the only disadvantage is the large turning circle compared to a tractor.

If you do get a tractor look for a Ford 8N, 9N or 2N. They made zillions of them and they still sell for a reasonable price in good condition. Easy to operate and they have a three point hitch handy for a snowplow blade. If you look at one of these look closely at the hydraulic system for leaks. They have a habit of leaking on the rear wheel brakes which is not a trvial repair. Put some weight on the hitch if it doesn't have an implement on it already and raise it. Watch it for a few minutes to see if it begins to droop.

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ibewgypsie
07-26-2004, 02:40 PM
I got a very small place now and can't justify having a real tractor. (Cub cadet, Murray, three push mowers and only one works currently)

Mikey bought a Meduim sized Kubota 4wd diesel, has gin-pole, box scrape, bush hog, chain-drag and he makes me jealous everytime he uses it. He got a bargain in it and can get his money back anytime he wants. That is the desired target, little loss on your investment.

The Gin pole like Evan has on his 4wd is useful beyond compare when building a log cabin or working on old cars.

You can get by with a old 4WD you modify like he did, but will still have to have a real mower.

Are you building your own house? If so, you 'll need a compressor, nailgun, tablesaw, and..... the list goes on...

I suggest if you do, start out really small like I did (24x24) so you don't get too deep in financing. A big house sucks you dry like a tick in payments and power bills..

I picked up the lumber in my school bus, had my compressor and gangbox in it. Backed up to the slab of concrete and started throwing out lumber. Three days later I locked the doors. A week later the tar paper was covered in shingles. I had minor help. I was heat-sick for a month afterwards thou. The critical part is not to expose expensive plywood stacks for vandals to steal. I didn't lose anything here. Lots of people purchase cheap travel trailers to build homes, that way they can play night watchman too.

Keep us posted. It is a adventure. Lots of people get divorced building thier dream home. It is a two man-woman-plus job. Lots of stress to share.

David

ibewgypsie
07-26-2004, 02:56 PM
Farmall cub... With belly mower... Fairbanks Morse Magneto just like the harley had.

Long gone now.. I'd like to have it back..

David

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07-26-2004, 03:33 PM
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sandman2234
07-26-2004, 04:19 PM
From what I have learned over the years as a "small tractor" owner...
Small tractor parts cost just as much, or more than big tractor parts. When pushed past their limits, they break easier than big ones. So if your the type that tries to get every ounce of use out of a machine, don't buy a compact tractor. They will do the job, but a standard size one will do it at less costs, as far as maintance. I have found that diesel tractors outwork gasoline tractors about 2 to 1 in the horsepower ratings. My 13hp will outwork a 25hp gas tractor, and at less fuel consumption. Four wheel drive will allow you to pull considerable more dirt in a box blade than 2 wheel drive will pull. I can fill the boxblade up level in 2 wheel drive, and then kick it the front axle and it will pile it up overflowing. If you ever get a 4 wheel drive diesel tractor, you will never go back to gas and 2 wheel drive.
Today is Monday, when do the payments start...
David from jax

ibewgypsie
07-26-2004, 04:59 PM
Sandman:
Why did you have to bring reality into the picture? I was feeling so good.

I have spent more on my Murray riding lawnmower this year than Mike has his Kubota, payments and all I think since he has had to do no repairs. AND, the frustration at .50 cents a hour... yeah you get the picture. If my place was larger......

I agree, buy a bigger tractor than you need. If you need a lawnmower purchase a small tractor, etc.. 4wd is gravy on the turkey. They build monster trucks on 4wd tractor chassis if that tells you something.. He tugged a bulldozer with ONE track stuck with his.. I am amazed, it didn't break something on the kubota. (must not have been that stuck)
I think you could not stick anything smaller the kubota could not pull out. He probably saved a $500 wrecker bill on just that one thing. Imagine being on the tractor if the chain parted thou.. whoops, I lost me head.

I just got my antique Cub cadet (lawnmower) to fire up and run on it's own without the squirt bottle of gas. (carb was full of crapola) Smoking off the front pulley now thou.. probably a seal..

David

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07-26-2004, 06:11 PM
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Weston Bye
07-26-2004, 06:29 PM
Experience with accquaintences who had Ford 8Ns, seems they need ring jobs more often than others. For mowing my acreage and pulling a wagon around, I have a 1930's Allis-Chalmers model B with a 5' Woods mower deck. Excellent service, but mowing still takes 3-4 hours. Has a hydraulic lift, but the big drawback is the lack of a 3-point hitch.

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07-26-2004, 06:44 PM
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Weston Bye
07-27-2004, 08:15 AM
Perhaps I exaggerate. I mow approximately 5 acres, but it is not one big area. A patch near the house, over the septic field, along the 528' driveway, a patch around the barn and a walking path by the woods. Most of these areas have trees, bushes and other objects to mow around. Lately I have been building on the new house, so the interval between mowings has gone longer. Consequently, I have to mow in a lower gear, taking more time. A reasonable mowing schedule is still 3 hours. Last night I spent a quick half hour on the walking path alone. I had neglected it so had to go over it several times.

As concerning the Ford ring jobs, I don't know if the sleeves were replaced.

My AC Model B had the engine overhauled about 20 years ago and was only used for mowing ever since. Still uses absolutely NO oil between changes.

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07-27-2004, 11:29 AM
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ibewgypsie
07-27-2004, 12:45 PM
I think the best ideal is a non-slipping mower drive. Shaft drive or PTO, both work well and cheap.

Most the cost of my mower problems are related to the belts($35) + pulleys ($10) + time and frustration.

I wonder if a cogged belt (no slippage) would last longer, or rework to a lifetime automotive serpentine GATOR goodyear belt. I bet that is what John S: is doing.. HA.. trade it in when it wears..

I liked to have broke Sears trading in screwdrivers.. I think so anyways.

David

sandman2234
07-27-2004, 01:23 PM
IBEW
For what they pay for the screwdrivers, you would go broke paying for the gas to return them, rather than them going broke using your money and interest financing it. But it is a nice thought anyway...
Pgmrdan
It is amazing that the listing realitor did not have that part covered. Guess you can't expect people to actually do the jobs they get paid to do. Having clear title to a piece of property tends to be high on the list of priorities when it comes to listing an item. Some banks just won't relinquish it until the loan is paid off in full. Now the purchase of property by you is going to be dependent on just how good the other person's credit is.
If I were independently wealthy, I always wondered which one I would have to become in order to invest my money, a banker or an insurance company. The thought of either makes my stomach churn.
David from jax

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Evan
07-27-2004, 01:33 PM
Arggg. You shouldn't have mentioned insurance companies. A competitor of my wife runs a small business out of his home selling diamond and borozon grinding wheels. He is shutting down his business because he can't get insurance on his home if he continues. The reason he can't get insurance is because grinding wheels sometimes explode. He tried to explain that he doesn't ever actually use the grinding wheels and besides the ones he sells aren't the exploding type. It didn't matter, no matter what he said the insurance companies are all convinced that storing grinding wheels of any type in his home presents an explosion hazard.

I really am not making this up.

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07-27-2004, 01:45 PM
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07-27-2004, 07:12 PM
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Evan
07-27-2004, 07:30 PM
Congrats. Speaking of water do you have good water on the place? You mentioned a spring.

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07-27-2004, 08:23 PM
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sandman2234
07-28-2004, 01:34 AM
So when do you pick up the tractor? Grass
doesn't stop growing just because it changes
hands, or is waiting on a closing date. The seller won't do another thing to it, and you will have your hands full if you wait too long.By closing, a pushmower won't be enough.
David from jax

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07-28-2004, 08:51 AM
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Paul Gauthier
07-28-2004, 11:30 AM
pgmrdan
Congratulations, when you build your shop make sure it is bigger than the house.

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07-28-2004, 08:48 PM
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nheng
07-28-2004, 08:57 PM
Yes, but are they dry ?

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